Re: The Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

In the highlight vid I posted,(1:48) he shows great ability to avoid the rush and make a throw on the run, granted it is only one play, but it isnt like he has no footwork whatsoever.

[Outshined_One]

I love Clady too. I would take either Clady or Phillips. Phillips would still allow you to hunt for a OT in the 2nd, if you take Clady, you pretty much have to wait until rd 3-4 for a S.

 

DaJuan Morgan is on the rise. He could be available in the second round.

 

Kevin Payne might be better than we think, though.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

He's a freaking statue in the pocket.

 

 

most scouting reports that I've read dont say this, but he does seem to have happy feet.

 

He has bad footwork, a slow drop back, and almost no mobility whatsoever. I'm willing to bet the guy never had to face off against a quality pass rusher during his time at Delaware.

 

I like his frame and his arm, but I just don't get why everyone thinks the guy is going to be a first day (first two rounds now!) pick.

 

yea, I wouldnt say the first 2 rounds either, but I wouldnt mind looking at him in the 3rd-4th, even tho I doubt he would drop that far.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I love Clady too. I would take either Clady or Phillips. Phillips would still allow you to hunt for a OT in the 2nd, if you take Clady, you pretty much have to wait until rd 3-4 for a S.

 

DaJuan Morgan is on the rise. He could be available in the second round.

 

Kevin Payne might be better than we think, though.

 

I still like Phillips, even tho I think safety is less of a need then I thought it was at mid-season. The Cover-2 needs a stud midfielder. maybe Payne could be that, maybe Brown will be back..I dont know mch about Morgan. good size, decent speed, but thats all I know..

[Handlebar McSkullet]

I love Clady too. I would take either Clady or Phillips. Phillips would still allow you to hunt for a OT in the 2nd, if you take Clady, you pretty much have to wait until rd 3-4 for a S.

 

DaJuan Morgan is on the rise. He could be available in the second round.

 

Kevin Payne might be better than we think, though.

 

I still like Phillips, even tho I think safety is less of a need then I thought it was at mid-season. The Cover-2 needs a stud midfielder. maybe Payne could be that, maybe Brown will be back..I dont know mch about Morgan. good size, decent speed, but thats all I know..

 

Clady wont last... if you have a choice of getting a extra pick, trading down (a little) and getting baker or otah.. do it. I dont think phillips is a priority. I like him alot though.

[Soul]

OK, just so we're clear: I in no way, shape, or form would want to draft Flacco with a top pick.

 

If he's going to go that high, forget it. We have other needs the must be addressed first, IMO. Anyway I wouldn't draft a guy who hasn't faced top competition high unless he had crazy skills.

[RedFlash]

OK, just so we're clear: I in no way, shape, or form would want to draft Flacco with a top pick.

 

If he's going to go that high, forget it. We have other needs the must be addressed first, IMO. Anyway I wouldn't draft a guy who hasn't faced top competition high unless he had crazy skills.

 

I maintain, the Bears should trade down with the 49ers. Get the 9ers 1st and 2nd rd picks. That way, you could get an OL/HB/WR in matter of about 15-20 picks. Not sure if San Fran would be up to it, but I'd like Angelo (who has a history of trading down) to investigate that possibility.

[RynoRules]

I agree with Red. We have more needs than I think any of us wish to admit. Trading down from 14 should be easy. People tend to fall in love with a middle-rnd guy who suits their needs. If we trade to the back-end of the 1st rnd and pick up an extra late 2nd pick, we could get three starters for next season.

 

By my estimation we need (in no particular order) at least two new starters on the O-Line (G and T), a HB, a QB, a DT, a S, and depth at OLB.

That's a ton of need.

 

EDIT:

 

If we trade down with the Niners and get their second rnd pick, we could be looking at:

 

1st Rnd: Felix Jones (RB - Ark)

2nd Rnd (Niners): One of these two guys:

Gosder Cherilus OT | Boston College |

Sam Baker OT | USC |

2nd Rnd (Bears): Flacco (QB - Delaware)

[rawaction]

 

4) There are only two guys I'm really sold on at QB in the draft who are attainable by the Bears: Brian Brohm and Josh Johnson. Woodson spooks me because of his delivery and mechanics. Henne hasn't quite sold me. Flacco is massively overhyped and strikes me as another Drew Bledsoe in the making. Erik Ainge's durability and inconsistency are enough to make me leery. However, I really like Brohm's dedication and what he can do with his arm. Johnson is really intriguing as a potential dual threat, but he'll need time to develop. I can see the Bears taking him with one of their third rounders. I don't see Matt Ryan making it to the Bears.

 

I like Brohm, but not at 14. If the Bears were picking 18-25, I'd love him there. He may be worth the pick, but I don't want a QB in the top 1/2 of the 1st round. I think guys like that get too much guaranteed money, whereas a late 1st rounder is usually similar in talent, yet much more affordable. I love Josh Johnson. The Bears have been enamored with mobile QBs forever, just can't seem to pull it off. As for Flacco, uh, what's wrong with another Drew Bledsoe? Bledsoe was a franchise QB for a good while, and lost his jobs to younger franchise QBs (Brady, Romo).

[rawaction]

I agree with Red. We have more needs than I think any of us wish to admit. Trading down from 14 should be easy. People tend to fall in love with a middle-rnd guy who suits their needs. If we trade to the back-end of the 1st rnd and pick up an extra late 2nd pick, we could get three starters for next season.

 

By my estimation we need (in no particular order) at least two new starters on the O-Line (G and T), a HB, a QB, a DT, a S, and depth at OLB.

That's a ton of need.

 

EDIT:

 

If we trade down with the Niners and get their second rnd pick, we could be looking at:

 

1st Rnd: Felix Jones (RB - Ark)

2nd Rnd (Niners): One of these two guys:

Gosder Cherilus OT | Boston College |

Sam Baker OT | USC |

2nd Rnd (Bears): Flacco (QB - Delaware)

 

I wouldn't like that draft. Jones is not a franchise back. He's a guy that I see having to share time. Cherilus is a RT. That leaves Tait at LT, which isn't good. Baker will be gone by the 2nd. And I think that's too high to pick Flacco.

[Soul]

I agree with Red. We have more needs than I think any of us wish to admit. Trading down from 14 should be easy. People tend to fall in love with a middle-rnd guy who suits their needs. If we trade to the back-end of the 1st rnd and pick up an extra late 2nd pick, we could get three starters for next season.

 

By my estimation we need (in no particular order) at least two new starters on the O-Line (G and T), a HB, a QB, a DT, a S, and depth at OLB.

That's a ton of need.

 

EDIT:

 

If we trade down with the Niners and get their second rnd pick, we could be looking at:

 

1st Rnd: Felix Jones (RB - Ark)

2nd Rnd (Niners): One of these two guys:

Gosder Cherilus OT | Boston College |

Sam Baker OT | USC |

2nd Rnd (Bears): Flacco (QB - Delaware)

 

I wouldn't like that draft. Jones is not a franchise back. He's a guy that I see having to share time. Cherilus is a RT. That leaves Tait at LT, which isn't good. Baker will be gone by the 2nd. And I think that's too high to pick Flacco.

 

yeah, again: drafting a RB in the 1st round would be a mistake.

 

I can't see Baker lasting until the 2nd.

 

I don't mind the trade-down idea though.

[Outshined_One]

 

4) There are only two guys I'm really sold on at QB in the draft who are attainable by the Bears: Brian Brohm and Josh Johnson. Woodson spooks me because of his delivery and mechanics. Henne hasn't quite sold me. Flacco is massively overhyped and strikes me as another Drew Bledsoe in the making. Erik Ainge's durability and inconsistency are enough to make me leery. However, I really like Brohm's dedication and what he can do with his arm. Johnson is really intriguing as a potential dual threat, but he'll need time to develop. I can see the Bears taking him with one of their third rounders. I don't see Matt Ryan making it to the Bears.

 

I like Brohm, but not at 14. If the Bears were picking 18-25, I'd love him there. He may be worth the pick, but I don't want a QB in the top 1/2 of the 1st round. I think guys like that get too much guaranteed money, whereas a late 1st rounder is usually similar in talent, yet much more affordable. I love Josh Johnson. The Bears have been enamored with mobile QBs forever, just can't seem to pull it off. As for Flacco, uh, what's wrong with another Drew Bledsoe? Bledsoe was a franchise QB for a good while, and lost his jobs to younger franchise QBs (Brady, Romo).

 

Bledsoe was hurt by the fact that he came into the league about 10-15 years too late. It's incredibly difficult to be a traditional dropback passer in the NFL today if you do not have the kind of footwork needed to move around in the pocket, especially considering more and more teams either have effective blitzing packages or have very good defensive lines that can generate pressure on the QB. It seemed like every team that had him for the past 6-7 years was eager to push him out the door for a perceived upgrade.

 

From what I've seen of Flacco, I'm not very confident he has the tools needed in his feet and legs to survive in the NFL. His throw on the run in GoCubsGo's video was ugly from a mechanics perspective. If he repeats that, he'll be throwing a lot of wounded ducks on the run. That's not good.

 

Honestly, if Brohm didn't have injury problems, there would be no doubt in my mind that he would be a best QB prospect in the draft. Last season, he was the only good player on that team. He managed to effectively transition into a new style of offense after Petrino left Louisville. He studies the game like a fiend. He has all the physical tools needed to succeed in the NFL. Moreover, I think he is the closest to positively contributing to a team in the NFL of any other QB in this draft. I'd have no complaints if the Bears selected him at 14.

[RynoRules]

I think we are going to have live with Tait at LT for one more year. You're asking a lot to turn over 3/5 of the O-Line plus get a HB, QB and safety.

 

I also am not sure I agree that Jones is not an every down back. If anything, I like him b/c he did not carry the load in college - fresher legs and less injury history.

 

Part of what mitigates and influences all of this is who will be available as FA's. Does anyone have that list?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I also am not sure I agree that Jones is not an every down back. If anything, I like him b/c he did not carry the load in college - fresher legs and less injury history.

 

I'd question the necessity or even utility or an "every down back" in today's NFL anyway. With Benson in tow, someone who can burn and catch some passes would be a great complement to him. And with the depth of RBs in this draft, the Bears might not even need to use a 1st or even 2nd rounder to get a quality player that fits that description.

[rawaction]

I also am not sure I agree that Jones is not an every down back. If anything, I like him b/c he did not carry the load in college - fresher legs and less injury history.

 

I'd question the necessity or even utility or an "every down back" in today's NFL anyway. With Benson in tow, someone who can burn and catch some passes would be a great complement to him. And with the depth of RBs in this draft, the Bears might not even need to use a 1st or even 2nd rounder to get a quality player that fits that description.

 

That's my problem is that Jones would have to be a 1st rounder, even if they did trade down. The more I think about, the more I think the Bears getting a RB wouldn't be a bad idea. I'd take the BPA regardless of most positions, probably in every round this year, especially if the Bears can add an OT in free agency.

[brinoch]

I think we are going to have live with Tait at LT for one more year. You're asking a lot to turn over 3/5 of the O-Line plus get a HB, QB and safety.

 

I also am not sure I agree that Jones is not an every down back. If anything, I like him b/c he did not carry the load in college - fresher legs and less injury history.

 

Part of what mitigates and influences all of this is who will be available as FA's. Does anyone have that list?

 

I'd grab an LT and move Tait back to RT.

[javy knows my name]

I also am not sure I agree that Jones is not an every down back. If anything, I like him b/c he did not carry the load in college - fresher legs and less injury history.

 

I'd question the necessity or even utility or an "every down back" in today's NFL anyway. With Benson in tow, someone who can burn and catch some passes would be a great complement to him. And with the depth of RBs in this draft, the Bears might not even need to use a 1st or even 2nd rounder to get a quality player that fits that description.

 

That's my problem is that Jones would have to be a 1st rounder, even if they did trade down. The more I think about, the more I think the Bears getting a RB wouldn't be a bad idea. I'd take the BPA regardless of most positions, probably in every round this year, especially if the Bears can add an OT in free agency.

Jonathan Stewart over Felix Jones, easily. If Stewart is available at 14 (and I think it's more likely to be the case than for Jones because he got more exposure) the Bears need to take him and grad an OL in the second round. There is still a good chance of finding a franchise guy there, imo. If Stewart is gone, trade down and grab an Otah or something in the late first and wait on a good value pick. IMO, once you get past Mendenhall, the skill/upside difference isn't that great up to about Mike Hart. Jamal Charles, Ray Rice, Tashard Choice, etc would all be excellent choices for the Bears in the second or third rounds. Not sold on Slaton; I'd put him below Hart on my board.

[rawaction]

If the Bears stay at 14. There are really only 2 worthy picks. Clady and Phillips. If neither is there and you can't negotiate a trade down, Mendenhall would be interesting as would Keith Rivers, Brohm, and Malcolm Kelly.

[UK1679666180]

I would also take Stewart ahead of Jones.

[UK1679666180]

Raw, if you're on the board at 14, I'd draft you as well.

[Guest]

Raw, if you're on the board at 14, I'd draft you as well.

lol

[Guest]

Raw, if you're on the board at 14, I'd draft you as well.

 

I'd rather take Malcolm Kelly.

[rawaction]

Raw, if you're on the board at 14, I'd draft you as well.

 

I'd rather take Malcolm Kelly.

 

Ditto. I love my potential to run with the ball after the catch, but a lot of my value is gone if I'm with the Bears, that's my ability to run back kicks. I think you can get a WR to step in right away as a #2-3 with the same after the catch ability in Early Doucet, and draft him in the 2nd. Kelly is a big WR with some speed. Only negative, if you see it that way, is he's pretty similar to Mark Bradley minus the injuries.

[imb]

Raw, if you're on the board at 14, I'd draft you as well.

 

I'd rather take Malcolm Kelly.

 

Ditto. I love my potential to run with the ball after the catch, but a lot of my value is gone if I'm with the Bears, that's my ability to run back kicks. Kelly is a big WR with some speed. Only negative, if you see it that way, is he's pretty similar to Mark Bradley minus the injuries.

 

i've seen every college game each has played and Kelly is so much better a wide receiver that it isn't even comparable.

 

Bradley was a big, fast, raw (no offense) guy. Kelly has the best hands and body control that I've ever seen.

[rawaction]

Raw, if you're on the board at 14, I'd draft you as well.

 

I'd rather take Malcolm Kelly.

 

Ditto. I love my potential to run with the ball after the catch, but a lot of my value is gone if I'm with the Bears, that's my ability to run back kicks. Kelly is a big WR with some speed. Only negative, if you see it that way, is he's pretty similar to Mark Bradley minus the injuries.

 

i've seen every college game each has played and Kelly is so much better a wide receiver that it isn't even comparable.

 

Bradley was a big, fast, raw (no offense) guy. Kelly has the best hands and body control that I've ever seen.

 

Yeah, on 2nd look. Kelly is not as fast as I thought. Still, I think he's a potential #1 WR.