Heard a Rumor: Cubs Interested in Crisp

[seanimal]

this thread now requires a picture of a lady in anguish while a javelin is sticking out of her foot and some word that means "to possess" written prominently on it.

[Mephistopheles]

16 days ago you accused me and/or my source of fabricating a story. You should know this: I will continue to post rumors from sources, who I believe to be credible based on my history with them regardless of how unreasonable or unrealistic you think the trade scenarios are. I am not in the business of fabrication. I am always very clear on this board differentiating between deals I've heard vs. deals I am suggesting. And considering that Bruce Miles (who I think we can all agree has an absolute stellar reputation for facts in addition to being very generous with his time here), has chimed in twice in the last 7 days that there may have been/may be some discussions going on, at least now I feel good for my source, who you unfairly through under the bus. The information that the 2 teams had or are having discussions was not only credible, it was real and confirmed regardless of what your stamp of approval may or may not think.

 

I'm sorry.. your "sources" called the Choi Lee trade. I mean everyone and their grandma knew the Cubs were interested in upgrading the slop from 03 at 1B. I mean everyone and their grandma knew the Marlins were cleaning house. I mean even Peter Gammons said it was a possibility days before it went down, but you and your "sources" came up with it. My ass.

 

My god don't play semantic games with me. There "may be some discussion." This is similar to me saying that the Cubs are discussing the potential profit increase by raising ticket prices. Yeah, it may or may not be going on. There may be discussion is even an understatement of what miles said. He said lukewarm, at best. To be lukewarm is to be indifferent. To have solid interest is not to be indifferent. so yeah... miles pretty much said you were wrong.

 

 

not to mention every other "rumor" you have ever come up with is either A: written on the wall, B: already known, or C: too dumb to be true. So you're 1 for 1000.

 

Outstanding. Keep em coming. And please dont ever analyze a thing about baseball, mmkay pumpkin? besides i trust my sources more than i do yours. then again i dont leak my inside information

 

Are you kidding me? Who cares that one writer's opinion is that the interest was lukewarm. Hoops was still the first person to report that the Cubs had any interest in Crisp. I know part of your gimmick is to rile everyone up, but you are going over the line here. Not that Hoops was correct in personally calling you up and attacking you a few days ago, but you took it too far in your response.

 

Now you're just lying. There were published reports that the Cubs were interested in Crisp during the GM meetings. Since the Cubs did nothing to solve their perceived center field problem, any person with at least crap for a brain would realize that the interest would probably remain. As usual, HoopsCubs didn't break anything. This is information we already knew. At least I did...and I'm sure most people here did.

 

disclaimer: Hoops is smart enough to know the interest would remain.

Edited February 18, 2008 by Mephistopheles

[RynoRules]

16 days ago you accused me and/or my source of fabricating a story. You should know this: I will continue to post rumors from sources, who I believe to be credible based on my history with them regardless of how unreasonable or unrealistic you think the trade scenarios are. I am not in the business of fabrication. I am always very clear on this board differentiating between deals I've heard vs. deals I am suggesting. And considering that Bruce Miles (who I think we can all agree has an absolute stellar reputation for facts in addition to being very generous with his time here), has chimed in twice in the last 7 days that there may have been/may be some discussions going on, at least now I feel good for my source, who you unfairly through under the bus. The information that the 2 teams had or are having discussions was not only credible, it was real and confirmed regardless of what your stamp of approval may or may not think.

 

I'm sorry.. your "sources" called the Choi Lee trade. I mean everyone and their grandma knew the Cubs were interested in upgrading the slop from 03 at 1B. I mean everyone and their grandma knew the Marlins were cleaning house. I mean even Peter Gammons said it was a possibility days before it went down, but you and your "sources" came up with it. My ass.

 

My god don't play semantic games with me. There "may be some discussion." This is similar to me saying that the Cubs are discussing the potential profit increase by raising ticket prices. Yeah, it may or may not be going on. There may be discussion is even an understatement of what miles said. He said lukewarm, at best. To be lukewarm is to be indifferent. To have solid interest is not to be indifferent. so yeah... miles pretty much said you were wrong.

 

 

not to mention every other "rumor" you have ever come up with is either A: written on the wall, B: already known, or C: too dumb to be true. So you're 1 for 1000.

 

Outstanding. Keep em coming. And please dont ever analyze a thing about baseball, mmkay pumpkin? besides i trust my sources more than i do yours. then again i dont leak my inside information

 

Are you kidding me? Who cares that one writer's opinion is that the interest was lukewarm. Hoops was still the first person to report that the Cubs had any interest in Crisp. I know part of your gimmick is to rile everyone up, but you are going over the line here. Not that Hoops was correct in personally calling you up and attacking you a few days ago, but you took it too far in your response.

 

he got what he asked for, should have kept his mouth shut. if you're foolish enough to call meph out regarding baseball, i have no sympathy for you.

 

1) He didn't call him out on statistical analysis, he called him out for questioning sources that he has zero knowledge of; and

2) Jake Peavy

[Mephistopheles]

1) He didn't call him out on statistical analysis, he called him out for questioning sources that he has zero knowledge of; and

2) Jake Peavy

 

and when i responded regarding Peavy, he vanished.

[CUBZ99]

16 days ago you accused me and/or my source of fabricating a story. You should know this: I will continue to post rumors from sources, who I believe to be credible based on my history with them regardless of how unreasonable or unrealistic you think the trade scenarios are. I am not in the business of fabrication. I am always very clear on this board differentiating between deals I've heard vs. deals I am suggesting. And considering that Bruce Miles (who I think we can all agree has an absolute stellar reputation for facts in addition to being very generous with his time here), has chimed in twice in the last 7 days that there may have been/may be some discussions going on, at least now I feel good for my source, who you unfairly through under the bus. The information that the 2 teams had or are having discussions was not only credible, it was real and confirmed regardless of what your stamp of approval may or may not think.

 

I'm sorry.. your "sources" called the Choi Lee trade. I mean everyone and their grandma knew the Cubs were interested in upgrading the slop from 03 at 1B. I mean everyone and their grandma knew the Marlins were cleaning house. I mean even Peter Gammons said it was a possibility days before it went down, but you and your "sources" came up with it. My ass.

 

My god don't play semantic games with me. There "may be some discussion." This is similar to me saying that the Cubs are discussing the potential profit increase by raising ticket prices. Yeah, it may or may not be going on. There may be discussion is even an understatement of what miles said. He said lukewarm, at best. To be lukewarm is to be indifferent. To have solid interest is not to be indifferent. so yeah... miles pretty much said you were wrong.

 

 

not to mention every other "rumor" you have ever come up with is either A: written on the wall, B: already known, or C: too dumb to be true. So you're 1 for 1000.

 

Outstanding. Keep em coming. And please dont ever analyze a thing about baseball, mmkay pumpkin? besides i trust my sources more than i do yours. then again i dont leak my inside information

 

Are you kidding me? Who cares that one writer's opinion is that the interest was lukewarm. Hoops was still the first person to report that the Cubs had any interest in Crisp. I know part of your gimmick is to rile everyone up, but you are going over the line here. Not that Hoops was correct in personally calling you up and attacking you a few days ago, but you took it too far in your response.

 

Now you're just lying. There were published reports that the Cubs were interested in Crisp during the GM meetings. Since the Cubs did nothing to solve their perceived center field problem, any person with at least crap for a brain would realize that the interest would probably remain. As usual, HoopsCubs didn't break anything. This is information we already knew. At least I did...and I'm sure most people here did.

 

disclaimer: Hoops is smart enough to know the interest would remain.

 

Its amazing that certain people can get away with personally attacking well respected members of the board without getting banned.

[JimSorgi]

16 days ago you accused me and/or my source of fabricating a story. You should know this: I will continue to post rumors from sources, who I believe to be credible based on my history with them regardless of how unreasonable or unrealistic you think the trade scenarios are. I am not in the business of fabrication. I am always very clear on this board differentiating between deals I've heard vs. deals I am suggesting. And considering that Bruce Miles (who I think we can all agree has an absolute stellar reputation for facts in addition to being very generous with his time here), has chimed in twice in the last 7 days that there may have been/may be some discussions going on, at least now I feel good for my source, who you unfairly through under the bus. The information that the 2 teams had or are having discussions was not only credible, it was real and confirmed regardless of what your stamp of approval may or may not think.

 

I'm sorry.. your "sources" called the Choi Lee trade. I mean everyone and their grandma knew the Cubs were interested in upgrading the slop from 03 at 1B. I mean everyone and their grandma knew the Marlins were cleaning house. I mean even Peter Gammons said it was a possibility days before it went down, but you and your "sources" came up with it. My ass.

 

My god don't play semantic games with me. There "may be some discussion." This is similar to me saying that the Cubs are discussing the potential profit increase by raising ticket prices. Yeah, it may or may not be going on. There may be discussion is even an understatement of what miles said. He said lukewarm, at best. To be lukewarm is to be indifferent. To have solid interest is not to be indifferent. so yeah... miles pretty much said you were wrong.

 

 

not to mention every other "rumor" you have ever come up with is either A: written on the wall, B: already known, or C: too dumb to be true. So you're 1 for 1000.

 

Outstanding. Keep em coming. And please dont ever analyze a thing about baseball, mmkay pumpkin? besides i trust my sources more than i do yours. then again i dont leak my inside information

 

Are you kidding me? Who cares that one writer's opinion is that the interest was lukewarm. Hoops was still the first person to report that the Cubs had any interest in Crisp. I know part of your gimmick is to rile everyone up, but you are going over the line here. Not that Hoops was correct in personally calling you up and attacking you a few days ago, but you took it too far in your response.

 

Now you're just lying. There were published reports that the Cubs were interested in Crisp during the GM meetings. Since the Cubs did nothing to solve their perceived center field problem, any person with at least crap for a brain would realize that the interest would probably remain. As usual, HoopsCubs didn't break anything. This is information we already knew. At least I did...and I'm sure most people here did.

 

disclaimer: Hoops is smart enough to know the interest would remain.

 

Its amazing that certain people can get away with personally attacking well respected members of the board without getting banned.

I'm not sure how he personally attacked Hoops.

[BigbadB]

Its amazing that certain people can get away with personally attacking well respected members of the board without getting banned.

 

Admins and Mods normally attempt to handle personal attacks privately. Please feel free to notify us when you see one. We aren't everywhere all the time.

 

Thanks!

[UMFan83]

16 days ago you accused me and/or my source of fabricating a story. You should know this: I will continue to post rumors from sources, who I believe to be credible based on my history with them regardless of how unreasonable or unrealistic you think the trade scenarios are. I am not in the business of fabrication. I am always very clear on this board differentiating between deals I've heard vs. deals I am suggesting. And considering that Bruce Miles (who I think we can all agree has an absolute stellar reputation for facts in addition to being very generous with his time here), has chimed in twice in the last 7 days that there may have been/may be some discussions going on, at least now I feel good for my source, who you unfairly through under the bus. The information that the 2 teams had or are having discussions was not only credible, it was real and confirmed regardless of what your stamp of approval may or may not think.

 

I'm sorry.. your "sources" called the Choi Lee trade. I mean everyone and their grandma knew the Cubs were interested in upgrading the slop from 03 at 1B. I mean everyone and their grandma knew the Marlins were cleaning house. I mean even Peter Gammons said it was a possibility days before it went down, but you and your "sources" came up with it. My ass.

 

My god don't play semantic games with me. There "may be some discussion." This is similar to me saying that the Cubs are discussing the potential profit increase by raising ticket prices. Yeah, it may or may not be going on. There may be discussion is even an understatement of what miles said. He said lukewarm, at best. To be lukewarm is to be indifferent. To have solid interest is not to be indifferent. so yeah... miles pretty much said you were wrong.

 

 

not to mention every other "rumor" you have ever come up with is either A: written on the wall, B: already known, or C: too dumb to be true. So you're 1 for 1000.

 

Outstanding. Keep em coming. And please dont ever analyze a thing about baseball, mmkay pumpkin? besides i trust my sources more than i do yours. then again i dont leak my inside information

 

Are you kidding me? Who cares that one writer's opinion is that the interest was lukewarm. Hoops was still the first person to report that the Cubs had any interest in Crisp. I know part of your gimmick is to rile everyone up, but you are going over the line here. Not that Hoops was correct in personally calling you up and attacking you a few days ago, but you took it too far in your response.

 

Now you're just lying. There were published reports that the Cubs were interested in Crisp during the GM meetings. Since the Cubs did nothing to solve their perceived center field problem, any person with at least crap for a brain would realize that the interest would probably remain. As usual, HoopsCubs didn't break anything. This is information we already knew. At least I did...and I'm sure most people here did.

 

disclaimer: Hoops is smart enough to know the interest would remain.

 

OK so there was brief mention of interest in December. Hoops reported that the sides were talking in February and low and behold, its come out that the Cubs have indeed been talking recently. I heard Bruce Levine's report on ESPN 1000 with my own ears, he stated that if the Cubs traded Marquis to the Red Sox, the big name being talked about coming back was Crisp. Thats more then just rehashing a rumor from December. I am not arguing about Hoops past accuracy. You're right there are times when he reports stuff as rumor that never comes close to being mainstream news. But in this situation Hoops reported hearing about the Cubs interest in Coco Crisp, and amazingly a week later mainstream outlets are reporting it. If Hoops received 5th hand news about "significant interest" in Crisp or whatever he said and reported it falsely, he is covered with his original disclaimer.

 

Either way, your response to him was not necessary. Stick to statistics and acting like a know it all (which I enjoy), not attempting to attack other posters and trying to destroy their credibility.

[UMFan83]

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Admins and Mods normally attempt to handle personal attacks privately. Please feel free to notify us when you see one. We aren't everywhere all the time.

 

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Ahh so you guys take the Dusty Baker approach to disciplining posters?

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Can we have this emotion added?

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4917/sfunslapfightam0.gif

[BigbadB]

Ahh so you guys take the Dusty Baker approach to disciplining posters?

 

Not always. And that Modzilla dude makes everything he does very obvious to everyone. Modzilla also doesn't care whose feelings get hurt. That's one ruthless dude. Punctual also, I might add.

[CUBZ99]

Its amazing that certain people can get away with personally attacking well respected members of the board without getting banned.

 

Admins and Mods normally attempt to handle personal attacks privately. Please feel free to notify us when you see one. We aren't everywhere all the time.

 

Thanks!

 

Fair enough.

[Mephistopheles]

OK so there was brief mention of interest in December. Hoops reported that the sides were talking in February and low and behold, its come out that the Cubs have indeed been talking recently. I heard Bruce Levine's report on ESPN 1000 with my own ears, he stated that if the Cubs traded Marquis to the Red Sox, the big name being talked about coming back was Crisp. Thats more then just rehashing a rumor from December. I am not arguing about Hoops past accuracy. You're right there are times when he reports stuff as rumor that never comes close to being mainstream news. But in this situation Hoops reported hearing about the Cubs interest in Coco Crisp, and amazingly a week later mainstream outlets are reporting it. If Hoops received 5th hand news about "significant interest" in Crisp or whatever he said and reported it falsely, he is covered with his original disclaimer.

 

You're right...people are reporting the Cubs are interested.

 

Rosenthal: The Cubs aren't interested in Crisp.

Miles: The Cubs really aren't interested in Crisp.

Levine: If the Red Sox trade for Marquis, Crisp could be coming back, the second part is of course purely speculation.

 

There are three things mainstream reporters have reported:

 

1. The Cubs would like to acquire a centerfielder.

2. The Red Sox would like to trade a centefielder, Coco Crisp.

3. The Cubs aren't interested in Coco Crisp.

 

However Hoops says they are and some speculation by writers when the three above facts are apparent leads you to believe that they are proving him correct (when in fact they are proving him incorrect).

[Derwood]

OK so there was brief mention of interest in December. Hoops reported that the sides were talking in February and low and behold, its come out that the Cubs have indeed been talking recently. I heard Bruce Levine's report on ESPN 1000 with my own ears, he stated that if the Cubs traded Marquis to the Red Sox, the big name being talked about coming back was Crisp. Thats more then just rehashing a rumor from December. I am not arguing about Hoops past accuracy. You're right there are times when he reports stuff as rumor that never comes close to being mainstream news. But in this situation Hoops reported hearing about the Cubs interest in Coco Crisp, and amazingly a week later mainstream outlets are reporting it. If Hoops received 5th hand news about "significant interest" in Crisp or whatever he said and reported it falsely, he is covered with his original disclaimer.

 

You're right...people are reporting the Cubs are interested.

 

Rosenthal: The Cubs aren't interested in Crisp.

Miles: The Cubs really aren't interested in Crisp.

Levine: If the Red Sox trade for Marquis, Crisp could be coming back, the second part is of course purely speculation.

 

There are three things mainstream reporters have reported:

 

1. The Cubs would like to acquire a centerfielder.

2. The Red Sox would like to trade a centefielder, Coco Crisp.

3. The Cubs aren't interested in Coco Crisp.

 

However Hoops says they are and some speculation by writers when the three above facts are apparent leads you to believe that they are proving him correct (when in fact they are proving him incorrect).

 

okay, so why does this have your panties in such a bunch?

[Mephistopheles]

OK so there was brief mention of interest in December. Hoops reported that the sides were talking in February and low and behold, its come out that the Cubs have indeed been talking recently. I heard Bruce Levine's report on ESPN 1000 with my own ears, he stated that if the Cubs traded Marquis to the Red Sox, the big name being talked about coming back was Crisp. Thats more then just rehashing a rumor from December. I am not arguing about Hoops past accuracy. You're right there are times when he reports stuff as rumor that never comes close to being mainstream news. But in this situation Hoops reported hearing about the Cubs interest in Coco Crisp, and amazingly a week later mainstream outlets are reporting it. If Hoops received 5th hand news about "significant interest" in Crisp or whatever he said and reported it falsely, he is covered with his original disclaimer.

 

You're right...people are reporting the Cubs are interested.

 

Rosenthal: The Cubs aren't interested in Crisp.

Miles: The Cubs really aren't interested in Crisp.

Levine: If the Red Sox trade for Marquis, Crisp could be coming back, the second part is of course purely speculation.

 

There are three things mainstream reporters have reported:

 

1. The Cubs would like to acquire a centerfielder.

2. The Red Sox would like to trade a centefielder, Coco Crisp.

3. The Cubs aren't interested in Coco Crisp.

 

However Hoops says they are and some speculation by writers when the three above facts are apparent leads you to believe that they are proving him correct (when in fact they are proving him incorrect).

 

okay, so why does this have your panties in such a bunch?

 

It doesn't. HoopsCubs started it.

[UMFan83]

OK so there was brief mention of interest in December. Hoops reported that the sides were talking in February and low and behold, its come out that the Cubs have indeed been talking recently. I heard Bruce Levine's report on ESPN 1000 with my own ears, he stated that if the Cubs traded Marquis to the Red Sox, the big name being talked about coming back was Crisp. Thats more then just rehashing a rumor from December. I am not arguing about Hoops past accuracy. You're right there are times when he reports stuff as rumor that never comes close to being mainstream news. But in this situation Hoops reported hearing about the Cubs interest in Coco Crisp, and amazingly a week later mainstream outlets are reporting it. If Hoops received 5th hand news about "significant interest" in Crisp or whatever he said and reported it falsely, he is covered with his original disclaimer.

 

You're right...people are reporting the Cubs are interested.

 

Rosenthal: The Cubs aren't interested in Crisp.

Miles: The Cubs really aren't interested in Crisp.

Levine: If the Red Sox trade for Marquis, Crisp could be coming back, the second part is of course purely speculation.

 

There are three things mainstream reporters have reported:

 

1. The Cubs would like to acquire a centerfielder.

2. The Red Sox would like to trade a centefielder, Coco Crisp.

3. The Cubs aren't interested in Coco Crisp.

 

However Hoops says they are and some speculation by writers when the three above facts are apparent leads you to believe that they are proving him correct (when in fact they are proving him incorrect).

 

okay, so why does this have your panties in such a bunch?

 

It doesn't. HoopsCubs started it.

 

By posting a rumor he heard about?

 

Well it looks like you won't have to worry about Hoops' rumors anymore Meph

[Mizzou]

My God, now the stats geek that sits in his dorm room on the weekends and complains about the girls next door being too loud while they're having fun is dogging on Hoops? I wish I were a know it all stathead, then I could say whatever I wanted here too!

[DenverCubs]

My God, now the stats geek that sits in his dorm room on the weekends and complains about the girls next door being too loud while they're having fun is dogging on Hoops? I wish I were a know it all stathead, then I could say whatever I wanted here too!

Ohhh, yes. A classic retort against an intelligent person. As we all know, if you are smart, you have no friends (especially no girl friends) and you hate "cool" people who have fun.

Great post.

[BigbadB]

Come on, people. Let's keep it civil or I'll lock the thread.

[David]

I've never understood the irrelevant shots at people's social lives, or lack thereof.

 

Newsflash - We have hundreds (if not thousands) of posts on an internet message board about the Cubs. We're all pretty big dorks to some extent.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Come on, people. Let's keep it civil or I'll lock the thread.

good one -- it's been widely reported that other mods have already been considering this

[BigbadB]

Come on, people. Let's keep it civil or I'll lock the thread.

good one -- it's been widely reported that other mods have already been considering this

 

The difference is they are only considering it. I'm threatening to take action. :wink:

[Derwood]

i'm still not sure why Meph is taking this so personally. if you think it's a bunk rumor, who cares? move on

[Rob]

Come on, people. Let's keep it civil or I'll lock the thread.

 

Yo momma likes to keep it civil, beeyotch.

 

:yahoo:

 

of levity>

[TruffleShuffle]

Let's keep it civil

 

too late