Heard a Rumor: Cubs Interested in Crisp

[ReadytoPlayCF]

I can't believe Crisp comes here unless Pie is traded. On yesterday's broadcast Lou did say that "we will probably start in center." It was porbably just a slip, but...

[Backtobanks]

This wouldn't make sense to me. Crisp has openly said he wants to start but we really don't have an open OF spot unless Pie is being traded for Roberts...

 

Gordon Wittenmeyer wrote in today's Southtown Star that he expects the CF competition to end up with the Cubs acquiring a veteran and Pie would be on the bench while Fuld goes to AAA. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[UMFan83]

I don't' get the reasoning for Crisp at all. Crisp's biggest attritube is his terrific defense. Pie's most developed skill right now is his defense in center field. With Crisp you know what your going to get on offense, a mediocre hitter most likely, a slightly above average hitter at best. With Pie, the ceiling is high. This move makes less sense than the Roberts move.

[cbbryan]

I don't' get the reasoning for Crisp at all. Crisp's biggest attritube is his terrific defense. Pie's most developed skill right now is his defense in center field. With Crisp you know what your going to get on offense, a mediocre hitter most likely, a slightly above average hitter at best. With Pie, the ceiling is high. This move makes less sense than the Roberts move.

 

+1

[inari]

I reallllly hope we don't get Crisp. Talk about unnecessary. Crisp adds nothing to this team.

[kujay]

Fanball.com is carrying the Crisp for Marquis/Fuld rumor now, though they are attributing it to 670. So no new sources confirming.

 

Please make this happen Jim...

[Vanilla Ice]

Fanball.com is carrying the Crisp for Marquis/Fuld rumor now, though they are attributing it to 670. So no new sources confirming.

 

Please make this happen Jim...

 

meh, i guess we aren't giving up anything of value but I don't want to give Lou the option of taking away most of Pie's playing time.

[UMFan83]

http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_rsoxjo09_03-09-08_059ACEH_v10.2f78416.html

 

All eyes on Murton

 

Minor league games begin this week, and the Sox wanted their pitchers to build up their respective pitch counts, something not feasible with all the other pitchers still in camp.

 

Though they already have one more outfielder than they need on the roster, the Sox are keeping a watchful eye on former Sox prospect Matt Murton this spring.

 

Murton, who was sent to the Chicago Cubs — along with Nomar Garciaparra — in the famous four-team deal the Sox made on July 31, 2004, intrigues the Sox as a left-handed hitting fourth outfielder.

 

The club inquired about Murton’s availability at the trade deadline last summer. It’s possible that Murton could return to the Sox as part of a package for Coco Crisp, in whom the Cubs have some interest.

[RyneDawson]

I don't' get the reasoning for Crisp at all. Crisp's biggest attritube is his terrific defense. Pie's most developed skill right now is his defense in center field. With Crisp you know what your going to get on offense, a mediocre hitter most likely, a slightly above average hitter at best. With Pie, the ceiling is high. This move makes less sense than the Roberts move.

 

Crisp plays terrific defense, Pie plays terrific defense.

Crisp can bat around .290, Pie hasn't really shown he can bat above .250.

Crisp doesn't strike out as much as Pie, and can steal 25-30 bases.

I think Crisp brings a lot more to this team than Pie.

 

But I agree that Pie has a high ceiling, but he isn't certain to get to that ceiling. If Pie hits the same as he did last year, then he would be a big detriment to this team. Crisp can actually help this team a lot. Plus we would be giving up absolutely nothing for him. And who knows if he would even start for us. Maybe he would just play versus lefties. We wanted a centerfielder whom can bat righty, we were willing to give up Murton for someone like Marlon Byrd. Now we can get that CF and give up garbage. This would be an amazing move by Hendry. I like Pie and think he can be good, but I wouldnt mind this deal at all. I think that maybe Pie would be traded though if we got Crisp.

[Derwood]

http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_rsoxjo09_03-09-08_059ACEH_v10.2f78416.html

 

All eyes on Murton

 

Minor league games begin this week, and the Sox wanted their pitchers to build up their respective pitch counts, something not feasible with all the other pitchers still in camp.

 

Though they already have one more outfielder than they need on the roster, the Sox are keeping a watchful eye on former Sox prospect Matt Murton this spring.

 

Murton, who was sent to the Chicago Cubs — along with Nomar Garciaparra — in the famous four-team deal the Sox made on July 31, 2004, intrigues the Sox as a left-handed hitting fourth outfielder.

The club inquired about Murton’s availability at the trade deadline last summer. It’s possible that Murton could return to the Sox as part of a package for Coco Crisp, in whom the Cubs have some interest.

 

they'll be disappointed to find out he's not, in fact, left-handed (almost as disappointed as Hendry is)

[UMFan83]

I don't' get the reasoning for Crisp at all. Crisp's biggest attritube is his terrific defense. Pie's most developed skill right now is his defense in center field. With Crisp you know what your going to get on offense, a mediocre hitter most likely, a slightly above average hitter at best. With Pie, the ceiling is high. This move makes less sense than the Roberts move.

 

Crisp plays terrific defense, Pie plays terrific defense.

Crisp can bat around .290, Pie hasn't really shown he can bat above .250.

Crisp doesn't strike out as much as Pie, and can steal 25-30 bases.

I think Crisp brings a lot more to this team than Pie.

 

But I agree that Pie has a high ceiling, but he isn't certain to get to that ceiling. If Pie hits the same as he did last year, then he would be a big detriment to this team. Crisp can actually help this team a lot. Plus we would be giving up absolutely nothing for him. And who knows if he would even start for us. Maybe he would just play versus lefties. We wanted a centerfielder whom can bat righty, we were willing to give up Murton for someone like Marlon Byrd. Now we can get that CF and give up garbage. This would be an amazing move by Hendry. I like Pie and think he can be good, but I wouldnt mind this deal at all. I think that maybe Pie would be traded though if we got Crisp.

 

Why are you assuming that Pie hits like he did last year? The kid just turned 23! It's like not hes 25 or 26. He is 23. At some point you need to take a gamble and play a prospect. Pie has been given ample time to build up his abilities and mature into a baseball player. This isn't another Corey Patterson situation. Now it's time to play him or trade him, because his value will never be this high again unless he turns into a star. Blocking him with Crisp, who has already created enough of a disturbance in Boston that he is being shipped out rather than being a nice 4th OF, would be a horrible move for the Cubs present and future.

 

If they start Pie and he doesn't pan out, the Cubs have several options to replace him.

 

A) Start Fuld or Cedeno in CF

B) Move Fukudome or Soriano to CF, start Murton

C) Make an in season trade for Crisp or another OF

D) Make the Roberts trade, move DeRosa to corner OF and Fukudome or Soriano to CF

Edited March 9, 2008 by UMFan83

[Roast]

http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_rsoxjo09_03-09-08_059ACEH_v10.2f78416.html

 

 

Murton, who was sent to the Chicago Cubs — along with Nomar Garciaparra — in the famous four-team deal the Sox made on July 31, 2004, intrigues the Sox as a left-handed hitting fourth outfielder.

 

 

:-k :-s

[Roast]

http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_rsoxjo09_03-09-08_059ACEH_v10.2f78416.html

 

All eyes on Murton

 

Minor league games begin this week, and the Sox wanted their pitchers to build up their respective pitch counts, something not feasible with all the other pitchers still in camp.

 

Though they already have one more outfielder than they need on the roster, the Sox are keeping a watchful eye on former Sox prospect Matt Murton this spring.

 

Murton, who was sent to the Chicago Cubs — along with Nomar Garciaparra — in the famous four-team deal the Sox made on July 31, 2004, intrigues the Sox as a left-handed hitting fourth outfielder.

The club inquired about Murton’s availability at the trade deadline last summer. It’s possible that Murton could return to the Sox as part of a package for Coco Crisp, in whom the Cubs have some interest.

 

they'll be disappointed to find out he's not, in fact, left-handed (almost as disappointed as Hendry is)

 

Damn you.

[rawaction]

http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_rsoxjo09_03-09-08_059ACEH_v10.2f78416.html

 

All eyes on Murton

 

Minor league games begin this week, and the Sox wanted their pitchers to build up their respective pitch counts, something not feasible with all the other pitchers still in camp.

 

Though they already have one more outfielder than they need on the roster, the Sox are keeping a watchful eye on former Sox prospect Matt Murton this spring.

 

Murton, who was sent to the Chicago Cubs — along with Nomar Garciaparra — in the famous four-team deal the Sox made on July 31, 2004, intrigues the Sox as a left-handed hitting fourth outfielder.

 

The club inquired about Murton’s availability at the trade deadline last summer. It’s possible that Murton could return to the Sox as part of a package for Coco Crisp, in whom the Cubs have some interest.

 

This is annoying. I didn't pay attention to the link, and until Nomar's name was mentioned, I was thinking to myself, "when was Murton in the White Sox farm system?"

[RammyFanny]

I think Crisp would be fine if he would except a platoon role, which i'd have no problem with. Worst case scenario is that he still gets whiney, though I really wouldn't care because we've lost Marquis and Fuld, one of who we want gone for a bag of balls anyways.

[ReadytoPlayCF]

I don't' get the reasoning for Crisp at all. Crisp's biggest attritube is his terrific defense. Pie's most developed skill right now is his defense in center field. With Crisp you know what your going to get on offense, a mediocre hitter most likely, a slightly above average hitter at best. With Pie, the ceiling is high. This move makes less sense than the Roberts move.

 

Crisp plays terrific defense, Pie plays terrific defense.

Crisp can bat around .290, Pie hasn't really shown he can bat above .250.

Crisp doesn't strike out as much as Pie, and can steal 25-30 bases.

I think Crisp brings a lot more to this team than Pie.

 

But I agree that Pie has a high ceiling, but he isn't certain to get to that ceiling. If Pie hits the same as he did last year, then he would be a big detriment to this team. Crisp can actually help this team a lot. Plus we would be giving up absolutely nothing for him. And who knows if he would even start for us. Maybe he would just play versus lefties. We wanted a centerfielder whom can bat righty, we were willing to give up Murton for someone like Marlon Byrd. Now we can get that CF and give up garbage. This would be an amazing move by Hendry. I like Pie and think he can be good, but I wouldnt mind this deal at all. I think that maybe Pie would be traded though if we got Crisp.

 

Is it a given that Crisp returns to his pre-broken wrist form of .290? Or are his .264/.317 and .268/.330 since his injury more likely?

Edited March 9, 2008 by ReadytoPlayCF

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If they don't think Pie is ready, screw Crisp. Sign Kenny Lofton.

[rawaction]

I don't' get the reasoning for Crisp at all. Crisp's biggest attritube is his terrific defense. Pie's most developed skill right now is his defense in center field. With Crisp you know what your going to get on offense, a mediocre hitter most likely, a slightly above average hitter at best. With Pie, the ceiling is high. This move makes less sense than the Roberts move.

 

Crisp plays terrific defense, Pie plays terrific defense.

Crisp can bat around .290, Pie hasn't really shown he can bat above .250.

Crisp doesn't strike out as much as Pie, and can steal 25-30 bases.

I think Crisp brings a lot more to this team than Pie.

 

But I agree that Pie has a high ceiling, but he isn't certain to get to that ceiling. If Pie hits the same as he did last year, then he would be a big detriment to this team. Crisp can actually help this team a lot. Plus we would be giving up absolutely nothing for him. And who knows if he would even start for us. Maybe he would just play versus lefties. We wanted a centerfielder whom can bat righty, we were willing to give up Murton for someone like Marlon Byrd. Now we can get that CF and give up garbage. This would be an amazing move by Hendry. I like Pie and think he can be good, but I wouldnt mind this deal at all. I think that maybe Pie would be traded though if we got Crisp.

 

Is it a given that Crisp returns to his pre-broken wirst form of .290? Or are his .264/.317 and .268/.330 since his injury more likely?

 

Far from a given. And if he's gonna hit .260-.270 and only get on base 31-33% of the time, there's a good chance that if Pie can't do that, he'll at least be in the ballpark. You get cheap production that likely reaps you more reward in 2009 and beyond.

[inari]

I want to let it be known I haven't read anything since my last post in here, but just in case this hasn't been pointed out; the Cubs are trading their only Jews.

[rawaction]

Also, I think the CF situation is dependent on the Roberts trade. If the Cubs do get Roberts, I think they will live with Pie and a RH hitter to platoon in CF. If the Cubs firmly believe they are out of the Roberts talks, I think they will look to add what they feel is an everyday player in CF. I'd imagine Crisp would be a possibility as would Figgins, Lofton, or someone the Cubs could hit at the top of the lineup.

[JGalt73]

If the Cubs indeed trade for an everyday CF, it is because the Cubs do not believe Pie will ever live up to his potential and that he is only a 4th OF. If that is their opinion, there is no reason to not trade Pie to a team that believes in his promise. I think the Cubs are wrong on this account, but it is the only sense I can make of the issue. What benefit is there of holding a place for Pie and letting him kill AAA pitching again?

 

Why are the Red Sox content to go with Ellsbury over Crisp? Because they are a smarter organization.

 

23y/o Pie in 430 PA: .284/.339/.470

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/piefe01_005.pnghttp://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/piefe01_010.png

 

 

28y/o Crisp in 550 PA: .271/.335/.415

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/crispco01_005.pnghttp://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/crispco01_010.png

 

While unloading Marquis is a plus, Crisp is 5 years older, much more expensive and not enough of an upgrade to block your long-standing #1 prospect.

[CUBZ99]

If the Cubs indeed trade for an everyday CF, it is because the Cubs do not believe Pie will ever live up to his potential and that he is only a 4th OF. If that is their opinion, there is no reason to not trade Pie to a team that believes in his promise. I think the Cubs are wrong on this account, but it is the only sense I can make of the issue. What benefit is there of holding a place for Pie and letting him kill AAA pitching again?

 

Why are the Red Sox content to go with Ellsbury over Crisp? Because they are a smarter organization.

 

23y/o Pie in 430 PA: .284/.339/.470

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/piefe01_005.pnghttp://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/piefe01_010.png

 

 

28y/o Crisp in 550 PA: .271/.335/.415

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/crispco01_005.pnghttp://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/crispco01_010.png

 

While unloading Marquis is a plus, Crisp is 5 years older, much more expensive and not enough of an upgrade to block your long-standing #1 prospect.

 

That says it all right there. It is frustrating to see the Cubs mishandle young prospects over and over again. I am all for winning a spot on the team, but with the numbers that Pie put up in AAA and with his tool set, they should give him the benefit of the doubt and use him as the starting CF for the first 2 months minimum.

[Illini Iceman]

If the Cubs indeed trade for an everyday CF, it is because the Cubs do not believe Pie will ever live up to his potential and that he is only a 4th OF. If that is their opinion, there is no reason to not trade Pie to a team that believes in his promise. I think the Cubs are wrong on this account, but it is the only sense I can make of the issue. What benefit is there of holding a place for Pie and letting him kill AAA pitching again?

 

Why are the Red Sox content to go with Ellsbury over Crisp? Because they are a smarter organization.

 

23y/o Pie in 430 PA: .284/.339/.470

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/piefe01_005.pnghttp://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/piefe01_010.png

 

 

28y/o Crisp in 550 PA: .271/.335/.415

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/crispco01_005.pnghttp://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/crispco01_010.png

 

While unloading Marquis is a plus, Crisp is 5 years older, much more expensive and not enough of an upgrade to block your long-standing #1 prospect.

 

That says it all right there. It is frustrating to see the Cubs mishandle young prospects over and over again. I am all for winning a spot on the team, but with the numbers that Pie put up in AAA and with his tool set, they should give him the benefit of the doubt and use him as the starting CF for the first 2 months minimum.

 

If it was for anyone other than Marquis and Fuld I would pass, but for those two it is worth the risk. Even if they go with Pie as the starter it would be a lot better to have Crisp as an insurance policy / bench player than Fuld. There are concerns about Crisp's attitude, but the same concerns would be there for Marquis (since right now it seems that Lieber and Dempster have the inside track for the rotation spots). I think having Crisp and, for example Hart, would make the Cubs a better team than having Fuld (or some other scrub utility guy) and Marquis.

[CUBZ99]

Besides the Crisp rumors, why is Hendry trying to move Matt Murton? Here is an idea for him.....why not keep Murton as the 4th OF in case someone gets hurt during the year? Murton is the perfect 4th OF, he hits well and is very cheap. Most teams would love to have a .800 + OPS guy on the bench in case of an emergency.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Boston Globe reports Red Sox have no interest in Marquis or Fuld.

 

Link.

 

While major league sources indicate the Chicago Cubs have Coco Crisp on their wish list, the Red Sox have no interest in expendable starting pitcher Jason Marquis or Arizona League MVP outfielder Sam Fuld.

 

If the Cubs were to talk trade with the Red Sox, it would have to be for a different set of names - either prospects or bullpen help.