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Garwilly

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He's been so consistantly good for us, yet I keep forgetting he's on the team.

 

So does Lou Piniella, Larry Rothschild, and Jim Hendry.

Unfortunately

 

 

Well thats just plain wrong.

 

Leaders in appearances

Howry 78

Wuertz 73

Dempster 66

 

Leaders in RP IP

Howry 81.1

Wuertz 72.1

Marmol 69.1

 

But hey, why pass up an opportunity to bash management.

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He's been so consistantly good for us, yet I keep forgetting he's on the team.

 

So does Lou Piniella, Larry Rothschild, and Jim Hendry.

Unfortunately

 

 

Well thats just plain wrong.

 

Leaders in appearances

Howry 78

Wuertz 73

Dempster 66

 

Leaders in RP IP

Howry 81.1

Wuertz 72.1

Marmol 69.1

 

But hey, why pass up an opportunity to bash management.

 

Hey, why not ignore the fact that Wuertz went from being the team's best reliever from 2005-2006, yet was demoted from setup duty to middle relief. He was the 5th RH option out of the pen when Wood joined the bullpen. And let's also ignore that the only reason he had more relief innings than Marmol, was because Carlos didn't start the year in the majors.

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CubColtPacer

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He's been so consistantly good for us, yet I keep forgetting he's on the team.

 

So does Lou Piniella, Larry Rothschild, and Jim Hendry.

Unfortunately

 

 

Well thats just plain wrong.

 

Leaders in appearances

Howry 78

Wuertz 73

Dempster 66

 

Leaders in RP IP

Howry 81.1

Wuertz 72.1

Marmol 69.1

 

But hey, why pass up an opportunity to bash management.

 

Hey, why not ignore the fact that Wuertz went from being the team's best reliever from 2005-2006, yet was demoted from setup duty to middle relief. He was the 5th RH option out of the pen when Wood joined the bullpen. And let's also ignore that the only reason he had more relief innings than Marmol, was because Carlos didn't start the year in the majors.

 

He started as one of the setup men, and then got demoted because other pitchers were pitching better than him. Wood and Wuertz were used interchangably IMO after Wood came back. Marmol and Howry were ahead of Wuertz from June on, and a big part of that was because Marmol and Howry were much better pitchers than Wuertz from June on.

 

Wuertz wasn't the best relief pitcher in 06 either. Howry's peripherals were a lot better.

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Butterscup1679666578

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Wasn't it Wuertz and Eyre who could not hit the broad side of a barn towards the end of the season?

 

Eyre was actually really good most of the second half. He gave up 2 ER on August 11th, and didn't give up another ER the rest of the season (19 appearances).

 

And actually, besides those 2 ER on the 11th, he didn't give up an ER from July 4 up until that point. So from July 4 to the end of the season, he gave up 2 ER.

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Roast

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He's been so consistantly good for us, yet I keep forgetting he's on the team.

 

As long as they bring him in with men on base. As soon as you bring him in to start the inning, home run derby.

 

I wouldn't go that far, but he apparently does his best when there are runners on 2nd and 3rd.

 

Bases Occupied

I Split          G    PA    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  BB  IBB  SO  HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB   CS  Pk   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  BAbip sOPS+ tOPS+ Split
+-+------------+----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+----+---+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------------+
  RISP          126   309   250  100   58  11   4   6   46  16   89   1   7   5   4   4    6   2   0  .232  .348  .380  .728  .325     0   114 RISP         
  ---           173   474   426   15   96  19   0  15   48   0  117   0   0   0   3   0    0   0   0  .225  .304  .376  .680  .276     0    99 ---          
  Men On        172   456   377  106   85  18   4   8   60  16  123   1  13   5   4  13   21   6   1  .225  .330  .358  .688  .307     0   102 Men On       
  1--           117   147   127    6   27   7   0   2   14   0   34   0   6   0   0   9   15   4   1  .213  .291  .315  .606  .275     0    78 1--          
  -2-            60    87    66   16   17   4   1   2   19   7   24   1   1   0   0   0    0   0   0  .258  .430  .439  .869  .375     0   156 -2-          
  --3            26    32    26    9    4   0   0   2    5   2   13   0   1   0   1   0    0   0   0  .154  .290  .385  .675  .182     0    97 --3          
  12-            63    87    75   22   19   2   3   2    8   1   23   0   4   0   1   2    4   2   0  .253  .325  .440  .765  .340     0   123 12-          
  1-3            23    24    21   10    4   3   0   0    2   0    6   0   1   0   0   0    2   0   0  .190  .261  .333  .594  .267     0    73 1-3          
  -23            20    26    17   12    2   1   0   0    8   6    9   0   0   1   2   0    0   0   0  .118  .385  .176  .561  .222     0    70 -23          
  123            34    53    45   31   12   1   0   0    4   0   14   0   0   4   0   2    0   0   0  .267  .302  .289  .591  .343     0    74 123

 

Also, when facing the leadoff hitter of an inning:

 

Leading off Inning

I Split          G    PA    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  BB  IBB  SO  HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB   CS  Pk   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  BAbip sOPS+ tOPS+ Split
+-+------------+----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+----+---+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------------+

  Leadoff Inn.  163   196   174    4   34   6   0   4   22   0   51   0   0   0   0   0    0   0   0  .195  .286  .299  .585  .252     0    72 Leadoff Inn.

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Wasn't it Wuertz and Eyre who could not hit the broad side of a barn towards the end of the season?

 

Eyre was actually really good most of the second half. He gave up 2 ER on August 11th, and didn't give up another ER the rest of the season (19 appearances).

 

And actually, besides those 2 ER on the 11th, he didn't give up an ER from July 4 up until that point. So from July 4 to the end of the season, he gave up 2 ER.

 

07/04 - 10/06        IP    H    R   ER   BB    K   HR    PC  BB/9   K/9  HR/9  WHIP   ERA
Wuertz             36.3   32   16   14   19   50    3   633  4.71 12.39  0.74  1.40  3.47
Eyre               24.3   18    4    2   15   19    0   392  5.55  7.03  0.00  1.36  0.74

 

Sill like to see 'em both cut down on those walks, no?

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badnews

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Michael Wuertz is supposed to be, what, the 4th best reliever on the team and people are bellyaching about his walks? Okay. Find me a list of 4th best bullpen relievers on a team that are better than Wuertz. Guerrier... some guy on the Padres who will get his ass handed to him if he ever goes to another team... who else?
RynoRules Knoxville Smokies

RynoRules

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I actually like Wuertz, he just didn't have much control in the scond half last year. IIRC, he couldn't get his slider over, which more or less spells doom for him.
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badnews

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His walk rate was higher after the ASB but not crazy higher. A 174 ERA+ in 2006, 134 ERA+ in 2007, with more strikeouts than IP the past two years, he could be the closer on some teams.
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BigbadB

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His walk rate was higher after the ASB but not crazy higher. A 174 ERA+ in 2006, 134 ERA+ in 2007, with more strikeouts than IP the past two years, he could be the closer on some teams.

 

We are definitely better with him than without him.

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badger1679666666

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He's been so consistantly good for us, yet I keep forgetting he's on the team.

 

So does Lou Piniella, Larry Rothschild, and Jim Hendry.

Unfortunately

 

 

Well thats just plain wrong.

 

Leaders in appearances

Howry 78

Wuertz 73

Dempster 66

 

Leaders in RP IP

Howry 81.1

Wuertz 72.1

Marmol 69.1

 

But hey, why pass up an opportunity to bash management.

 

Hey, why not ignore the fact that Wuertz went from being the team's best reliever from 2005-2006, yet was demoted from setup duty to middle relief. He was the 5th RH option out of the pen when Wood joined the bullpen. And let's also ignore that the only reason he had more relief innings than Marmol, was because Carlos didn't start the year in the majors.

 

He started as one of the setup men, and then got demoted because other pitchers were pitching better than him. Wood and Wuertz were used interchangably IMO after Wood came back. Marmol and Howry were ahead of Wuertz from June on, and a big part of that was because Marmol and Howry were much better pitchers than Wuertz from June on.

 

Wuertz wasn't the best relief pitcher in 06 either. Howry's peripherals were a lot better.

 

But you're getting in the way of rawaction's bashing...

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