Ryan Theriot

[David]

This is the problem with the looking at stats compared to watching the games....If you can replace Theriot with a Better player fine but you have to realize that without Theriot playing ss last year we probably do not make the playoffs. Theriot is probably a a utility guy but he is one of those players that makes things happen. If he goes 0 for 3 but leads off the 8th there was a good chance last year that Theriot gets on base.

 

The Cubs over the years have had a lot of players who have had better stats and make a lot more money but disappeared when the game is on the line.

 

There should always be a spot for a guy that is busting his you know whats every play. That type of play can fuel a team.

 

You're right, your subjective first-hand account based on your memory should carry much more weight than stats.

[Sammy Sofa]

How many times in games did you see Theriot jump start an inning with an extra base hit?

 

I give up...how many?

[Roast]

This is the problem with the looking at stats compared to watching the games....If you can replace Theriot with a Better player fine but you have to realize that without Theriot playing ss last year we probably do not make the playoffs. Theriot is probably a a utility guy but he is one of those players that makes things happen. If he goes 0 for 3 but leads off the 8th there was a good chance last year that Theriot gets on base.

 

The Cubs over the years have had a lot of players who have had better stats and make a lot more money but disappeared when the game is on the line.

 

There should always be a spot for a guy that is busting his you know whats every play. That type of play can fuel a team.

 

That's such a ridiculous thought process.

 

If a better player was starting, he would have been much more likely NOT to go 0-3 in the first place and thus the game might not even be on the line in the first place. Furthermore - if someone gets on base at a higher rate than Theriot, I don't care if it's the 8th inning or the 2nd - that player is more likely to get on base. Period. Exclamation point.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

How many times in games did you see Theriot jump start an inning with an extra base hit?

 

I give up...how many?

I'm actually surprised at the number -- 14 (11 doubles, 1 triple, 2 HR)

 

of course, his line when leading off an inning was a sparkling 245/291/381/672

Edited December 11, 2007 by Ding Dong Johnson

[Roast]

How many times in games did you see Theriot jump start an inning with an extra base hit?

 

I give up...how many?

 

OOH OOOH, I have an answer!

 

14 times.

 

Thanks Baseball reference.com.

 

link

 

 

14 innings started with an XBH. Those were obviously the reason we won the division, guys.

[haltz]

If he goes 0 for 3 but leads off the 8th there was a good chance last year that Theriot gets on base.

Whoops, that's a stat.

[Fanatic3332000]

wait what did he bat in the leadoff spot....oh yeah .300

[abuck1220]

How many times in games did you see Theriot jump start an inning with an extra base hit?

 

literally hundreds.

 

oh, wait, he had like a .230 slugging %? probably not very many then. my bad.

[Guest]

wait what did he bat in the leadoff spot....oh yeah .300

 

In 161 PA.

[Mephistopheles]

and he slugged .522 in 159 PAs in 2006!!!! STUD"!?>@

[Roast]

wait what did he bat in the leadoff spot....oh yeah .300

 

First of all - SMALL sample size.

 

Secondly - even with his .300 avg he still only managed to get on at a .342 rate (Not great for a leadoff batter).

[Fanatic3332000]

How many times in games did you see Theriot jump start an inning with an extra base hit?

 

literally hundreds.

 

oh, wait, he had like a .230 slugging %? probably not very many then. my bad.

 

1) already been said....scroll up

2) he proably had nothing to do with the Cubs winning the division or going to the playoffs considering he was 3rd in runs on the team (80), was one of six Cubs players who had over 100 hits (143)

3) remember when Alfonso was a 40/40 guy and this year he had 19 SB's in 135 games when Theriot had 28 in 148.. oh we paid Soriano 10,000,000 in 2007 to be our "leadoff man", tell me that theriot isn't worth that cost

4) this guy shouldnt be given a chance because hes a utility player, yeah right thats what Ronny Cedeno and the guy we just traded away Omar Infante is

[Ding Dong Johnson]

3) remember when Alfonso was a 40/40 guy and this year he had 19 SB's in 135 games when Theriot had 28 in 148.. oh we paid Soriano 10,000,000 in 2007 to be our "leadoff man", tell me that theriot isn't worth that cost

2007 Alfonso Soriano was leaps and bounds better than 2007 Ryan Theriot. I'm googling another dimension to see if there's anywhere where it would have been close.

[sethuel1]

In my world, a stolen base will be worth 4 runs. its name will be changed from "stolen base" to "grand slam"

 

Ryan Theriot had 28 grand slams last year, resulting in 112 runs.

 

Therefore, he is better than Soriano, who only had 19 grand slams for 76 runs.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Little known fact folks...

 

 

Ryan Theriot was the Chicago Cubs 2007 MVP. Look it up if you don't believe me.

[Post Count Padder]

When the Boogieman goes to bed, he checks his closet for Ryan Theriot.

[Sammy Sofa]

Stolen bases are overrated.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

How many times in games did you see Theriot jump start an inning with an extra base hit?

 

literally hundreds.

 

oh, wait, he had like a .230 slugging %? probably not very many then. my bad.

 

1) already been said....scroll up

2) he proably had nothing to do with the Cubs winning the division or going to the playoffs considering he was 3rd in runs on the team (80), was one of six Cubs players who had over 100 hits (143)

3) remember when Alfonso was a 40/40 guy and this year he had 19 SB's in 135 games when Theriot had 28 in 148.. oh we paid Soriano 10,000,000 in 2007 to be our "leadoff man", tell me that theriot isn't worth that cost

4) this guy shouldnt be given a chance because hes a utility player, yeah right thats what Ronny Cedeno and the guy we just traded away Omar Infante is

 

LOL at this thread. Regarding the first bolded part, please tell me that is not supposed to mean that you believe Theriot is worth $10 million.

 

Regarding the second bolded part, I won't disagree with you about Omar Infante being a utility player. But that begs the question: does that put the dividing line between utility player and the next Omar Vizquel somewhere between a .662 OPS (Infante's last year) and a .672 OPS (Theriot's)?

[badnews]

America... what a country! In America, Ryan Theriot steals base. In Soviet Russia, base steals Ryan Theriot!

[rocket]

If he goes 0 for 3 but leads off the 8th there was a good chance last year that Theriot gets on base.

Whoops, that's a stat.

 

even better, theriot's obp last season in the 9th inning was an insane .478!!!! i think we should listen to this guy more closely.

[badnews]

If he goes 0 for 3 but leads off the 8th there was a good chance last year that Theriot gets on base.

Whoops, that's a stat.

 

even better, theriot's obp last season in the 9th inning was an insane .478!!!! i think we should listen to this guy more closely.

 

In "Close and Late" situations Theriot's OBP was .289 and his OPS was .571.

[rchap24]

The guy had a .326 OBP

 

You...do know that that's really low, right?

 

Oh man, I missed that sentence.

 

Fanatic, you might NOT want to mention that when you're trying to compliment Theriot.

By comparison, Juan Pierre had a stellar .330 OBP in his one year in Chicago.

 

The fact is noted and it won't be used again but just for the rest of you:

Khalil Greene last year had a stellar .291 OBP last year.

 

 

But what was his slugging and such? You put Greene in Wrigley, he will dwarf Theriot in every category minus OBP. His OPS would probably be close to 200 points higher.

 

They are two different players, Theriot is a total slap hitter. Khalil isn't exactly a power hitter, but they have different approaches at the plate. You can't use OPS to compare to slap hitters.

[badnews]

I'd like to know what means then are sanctioned by you to compare productivity. In this day and age you don't get to simply throw up your hands and say "There is no earthly way we can possibly approximate something like that."

[inari]

The guy had a .326 OBP

 

You...do know that that's really low, right?

 

Oh man, I missed that sentence.

 

Fanatic, you might NOT want to mention that when you're trying to compliment Theriot.

By comparison, Juan Pierre had a stellar .330 OBP in his one year in Chicago.

 

The fact is noted and it won't be used again but just for the rest of you:

Khalil Greene last year had a stellar .291 OBP last year.

 

 

But what was his slugging and such? You put Greene in Wrigley, he will dwarf Theriot in every category minus OBP. His OPS would probably be close to 200 points higher.

 

They are two different players, Theriot is a total slap hitter. Khalil isn't exactly a power hitter, but they have different approaches at the plate. You can't use OPS to compare to slap hitters.

 

Yes, you can. OPS informs you that slap hitters generally suck. It does just this for Theriot.

 

I LOVE Ryan Theriot, by the way. But this thread is hilarious.

[haltz]

They are two different players, Theriot is a total slap hitter. Khalil isn't exactly a power hitter, but they have different approaches at the plate. You can't use OPS to compare to slap hitters.

Only if you care about the runs they make happen, which is mean if you ask me.