College Football - Bowls (Non-BCS)

[CuseCubFan69]

it's not like Kansas chose to not play good conference teams. that's scheduled by the conference

 

also, who doesn't love the Holiday Bowl? every year they pretty much guarantee a combined score of 80+, and this year is probably no exception

What does that have to do with anything? They still played a weak schedule and got rewarded for it.

 

You guys should have just taken 2 teams to add to the original 8.

[Productive Outs]

when you're a fan of a football program like Kentucky's, non-BCS bowls are still pretty big. after the 6-1 start, i'd thought they do better than a return trip to the Music City Bowl, but oh well. better than nothing, i guess.

[wekse]

when you're a fan of a football program like Kentucky's, non-BCS bowls are still pretty big. after the 6-1 start, i'd thought they do better than a return trip to the Music City Bowl, but oh well. better than nothing, i guess.

 

come to nashville and go to the game, it's not too far and upper seats are only $15!

 

*edit - tickets are now sold out, heh.

[snoodmonger]

This is the last time I'll address the KU schedule.

 

A few things:

 

A) When scheduled, CMU and Toledo were not the pushovers they ended up being. I know, it's not like we caught ND in a down cycle, but small conference champions have challenged us in the past. In fact, we lost to Toledo last year.

B) Don't bitch to KU about our conference schedule. We didn't choose it. Bitch to the Big XII.

C) Please stop saying they "scheduled their way to a BCS bowl." To me, that implies KU made that schedule with its eye on the Orange Bowl, and that's ludicrous. Plain and simple, KU was trying to schedule its way to a bowl. Any bowl.

 

We've been struggling to recover from the Terry Allen era, and Mangino/Perkins realized the best way to do that was to get a few 7-9 win seasons under our belt and build from there. Even then, when I predicted 8-9 wins at the start of the season, I was laughed at. But whaddya know, we found a very good QB on our roster, and we shored up our secondary, and Nebraska fell off the map, and stuff just skyballed out of control, and we won 11 games. But if anyone seriously thinks KU was banking on being 2 games away from the NC game, they're smoking crack.

 

That's why I see tOSU's schedule as FAR more egregious. That is a perennial powerhouse team. They will have now played for the title 3 times since 2002. They had no business scheduling the teams they did. They DID schedule their way to the title game. KU just stumbled its way into a dream season.

 

Anyway, it sucks for all the Mizzou fans out there. Yeah, they deserved it more than us. But you should have thought of that when you applied to a school no one likes. Stuff like this will happen. Because crazy stuff like this (and tyus edney, and the fifth down, and that Nebraska receiver kicking the ball to his teammate on the final play) will always happen to you. Because God hates your school.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I expected that rant to end a lot better than only a "god hates your school" proclamation.

[snoodmonger]

I expected that rant to end a lot better than only a "god hates your school" proclamation.

 

well, it wasn't supposed to be a rant, really. KU was clearly the beneficiary of a soft schedule. But I'm just tired of people pretending Mangino was going all Dr. Evil and diabolically scheduling himself into a BCS bowl. Big Man was just trying to get a bowl and keep his job. Everything else just fell into place. I'd be pissed if I were Mizzou fan, too. But as someone else pointed out elsewhere (maybe you), you guys have a very good class coming in and look to be in the driver's seat in the north for next year, at least.

[Mephistopheles]

That's why I see tOSU's schedule as FAR more egregious. That is a perennial powerhouse team. They will have now played for the title 3 times since 2002. They had no business scheduling the teams they did. They DID schedule their way to the title game.

 

I don't understand how someone can say that Ohio State schedules for a road to a national championship. It's [expletive].

 

 

1999 vs Miami (FL) vs UCLA

2000 at Arizona

2001 at UCLA

2002 vs Washington State (#10 at the time), vs Texas Tech

2003 vs NC State , vs Washington

2004 at NC State

2005 vs Texas

2006 at Texas

2007 at Washington

2008 at USC

2009 vs USC, at Washington State

2010 at Miami (FL)

2011 vs Miami (FL)

2012 at Cal

2013 vs Cal

2014 at Virginia Tech

2015 vs Virginia Tech

 

Tressel came became head coach in 01, so most non conference games up to 04 were already picked and decided. As you can see, Tressel has always tried to schedule at least one non conference game against a powerhouse team -- one that's been powerful for a long enough time to also project them to be powerful down the road. Next time don't make up things.

 

 

See guys I'm not anti-Big Ten.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I expected that rant to end a lot better than only a "god hates your school" proclamation.

 

well, it wasn't supposed to be a rant, really. KU was clearly the beneficiary of a soft schedule. But I'm just tired of people pretending Mangino was going all Dr. Evil and diabolically scheduling himself into a BCS bowl. Big Man was just trying to get a bowl and keep his job. Everything else just fell into place. I'd be pissed if I were Mizzou fan, too. But as someone else pointed out elsewhere (maybe you), you guys have a very good class coming in and look to be in the driver's seat in the north for next year, at least.

 

Like I said in the IMB thread, I've mostly come to terms with it. I'm not happy, I don't think it's right, but whatever. Hopefully our team doesn't lose focus and comes out and beats Arkansas, because a Cotton Bowl win would be huge for our program.

 

I also hope Kansas loses 126-0.

[snoodmonger]

Historically, they do play good teams. But:

 

7-6, 6-6, 1-10, 2-9, 5-7

 

those are the last 5 Washington seasons. That was not a premium non-con game unless they made the agreement in '95.

Now maybe they were forced into UDub because of extenuating circumstances, but that's a soft team for a perennial contender.

 

tOSU's schedule is the only reason in they're in the title game this year, and you know it.

[Mephistopheles]

That agreement was probably made around 1998-2000, when they scheduled the 2003 game for a home and home season.

 

 

1990 10-2 (won Rose Bowl)

1991 12-0 (won Rose Bowl, split National Champtionship)

1992 9-3 (lost Rose Bowl)

1993 7-4

1994 7-4

1995 7-4-1 (tied for Pac Ten Championship)

1996 9-3

1997 8-4

1998 6-6

1999 7-5

2000 11-1 (won Rose Bowl)

 

They were a good program for much of the 90s. In fact they spent at least one week ranked in every season. They were good up until Rick Neuheisel left. When Neuheisel decided to enter a "neighborhood" pool for March Madness, the UW program went down the tubes. This was after the games were scheduled, so it's hard to fault OSU on this.

[SouthSideRyan]

it's not like Kansas chose to not play good conference teams. that's scheduled by the conference

 

also, who doesn't love the Holiday Bowl? every year they pretty much guarantee a combined score of 80+, and this year is probably no exception

What does that have to do with anything? They still played a weak schedule and got rewarded for it.

 

You guys should have just taken 2 teams to add to the original 8.

 

You think Texas and A&M were coming without Tech and Baylor?

 

And a Big East fan preaching about conference size... :)

[snoodmonger]

That agreement was probably made around 1998-2000, when they scheduled the 2003 game for a home and home season.

 

 

1990 10-2 (won Rose Bowl)

1991 12-0 (won Rose Bowl, split National Champtionship)

1992 9-3 (lost Rose Bowl)

1993 7-4

1994 7-4

1995 7-4-1 (tied for Pac Ten Championship)

1996 9-3

1997 8-4

1998 6-6

1999 7-5

2000 11-1 (won Rose Bowl)

 

They were a good program for much of the 90s. In fact they spent at least one week ranked in every season. They were good up until Rick Neuheisel left. When Neuheisel decided to enter a "neighborhood" pool for March Madness, the UW program went down the tubes. This was after the games were scheduled, so it's hard to fault OSU on this.

 

okay, i stand corrected. espn only had their record back 2002. i still think OSU is getting a big-time free pass on their schedule by the talking heads while KU is getting ravaged. I know --we are an at-large while OSU is an autobid-- but they shouldn't be in the NC game. The media seems content to ignore that, though.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

That agreement was probably made around 1998-2000, when they scheduled the 2003 game for a home and home season.

 

 

1990 10-2 (won Rose Bowl)

1991 12-0 (won Rose Bowl, split National Champtionship)

1992 9-3 (lost Rose Bowl)

1993 7-4

1994 7-4

1995 7-4-1 (tied for Pac Ten Championship)

1996 9-3

1997 8-4

1998 6-6

1999 7-5

2000 11-1 (won Rose Bowl)

 

They were a good program for much of the 90s. In fact they spent at least one week ranked in every season. They were good up until Rick Neuheisel left. When Neuheisel decided to enter a "neighborhood" pool for March Madness, the UW program went down the tubes. This was after the games were scheduled, so it's hard to fault OSU on this.

 

okay, i stand corrected. espn only had their record back 2002. i still think OSU is getting a big-time free pass on their schedule by the talking heads while KU is getting ravaged. I know --we are an at-large while OSU is an autobid-- but they shouldn't be in the NC game. The media seems content to ignore that, though.

 

OSU didn't miss any of the top teams in their conference though. Kansas missed 3 of the top 4(themselves obviously excluded). That's obviously not their fault, but when comparing the teams it makes a difference.

[NCCubFan]

when you're a fan of a football program like Kentucky's, non-BCS bowls are still pretty big. after the 6-1 start, i'd thought they do better than a return trip to the Music City Bowl, but oh well. better than nothing, i guess.

It's still tw years in a row for Kentucky going to a bowl game. I don't think that's happened since the Tim Couch era.

 

My three favorite teams (Ball State, Indiana, and Kentucky) are all going bowling. I don't think that's ever happened before.

[Andy]

when you're a fan of a football program like Kentucky's, non-BCS bowls are still pretty big. after the 6-1 start, i'd thought they do better than a return trip to the Music City Bowl, but oh well. better than nothing, i guess.

It's still tw years in a row for Kentucky going to a bowl game. I don't think that's happened since the Tim Couch era.

 

My three favorite teams (Ball State, Indiana, and Kentucky) are all going bowling. I don't think that's ever happened before.

Ball State's only been to two before, so that's a pretty good bet.

[Andy]

when you're a fan of a football program like Kentucky's, non-BCS bowls are still pretty big. after the 6-1 start, i'd thought they do better than a return trip to the Music City Bowl, but oh well. better than nothing, i guess.

It's still tw years in a row for Kentucky going to a bowl game. I don't think that's happened since the Tim Couch era.

 

My three favorite teams (Ball State, Indiana, and Kentucky) are all going bowling. I don't think that's ever happened before.

Ball State's only been to two before, so that's a pretty good bet.

[Flames24Rulz]

I highly recommend that all of you watch the I-AA semifinals this weekend :D

[NCCubFan]

when you're a fan of a football program like Kentucky's, non-BCS bowls are still pretty big. after the 6-1 start, i'd thought they do better than a return trip to the Music City Bowl, but oh well. better than nothing, i guess.

It's still tw years in a row for Kentucky going to a bowl game. I don't think that's happened since the Tim Couch era.

 

My three favorite teams (Ball State, Indiana, and Kentucky) are all going bowling. I don't think that's ever happened before.

Ball State's only been to two before, so that's a pretty good bet.

Actually it's three (California Bowl in 1989; Las Vegas Bowl in 1993 and 1996).

 

Or maybe you were talking about DIFFERENT bowls and not counting repeat appearances in the same bowl. :wink:

[Andy]

when you're a fan of a football program like Kentucky's, non-BCS bowls are still pretty big. after the 6-1 start, i'd thought they do better than a return trip to the Music City Bowl, but oh well. better than nothing, i guess.

It's still tw years in a row for Kentucky going to a bowl game. I don't think that's happened since the Tim Couch era.

 

My three favorite teams (Ball State, Indiana, and Kentucky) are all going bowling. I don't think that's ever happened before.

Ball State's only been to two before, so that's a pretty good bet.

Actually it's three (California Bowl in 1989; Las Vegas Bowl in 1993 and 1996).

 

Or maybe you were talking about DIFFERENT bowls and not counting repeat appearances in the same bowl. :wink:

Huh, no, I thought it was two. Interesting.

 

Never won one though, I don't think. But that's gonna change.

 

Toronto's going to rock. Are you going to try and go, NCCubFan?

[dew1679666265]

As for Wisconsin, I think we match up very well against them. Their defense is nothing special and I feel like Ainge can pick them apart while Arian Foster should have a good game. The defense should handle themselves fairly well, after holding down a better LSU offense.

 

Both teams are actually eerily similar. The running games are nearly identical, with Foster having slightly better numbers than PJ Hill and the passing games are similar with Ainge being a little more efficient than Tyler Donovan. Ought to be a good game.

 

I'm looking forward to the Wisconsin-Tenn matchup. Wisconsin's D isn't anything special but they have played pretty well since the Illinois loss. And I wouldn't expect a heavy dose of PJ Hill. PJ was hurt down the stretch this year, which gave Zach Brown and Lance Smith a lot of opportunities. They both made great use of that time, so I fully expect a balanced load between all three backs.

 

Yeah, I actually heard about PJ Hill's injury a little after I wrote my post - just didn't have a chance to edit it.

 

I think the teams are pretty evenly matched and I'm interested to see how the Vols do against a heavy running team. We shut down Arkansas which has a better running game than Wisconsin, but Tyler Donovan is much, much better than Casey Dick so we'll have to respect the passing game.

 

How are your receivers? I'm not real familiar with the Badger passing game outside of Donovan.

[wekse]

How are your receivers? I'm not real familiar with the Badger passing game outside of Donovan.

 

beckum and swan are pretty good...should be a good game, i think.

[Exile on Waveland]

That agreement was probably made around 1998-2000, when they scheduled the 2003 game for a home and home season.

 

 

1990 10-2 (won Rose Bowl)

1991 12-0 (won Rose Bowl, split National Champtionship)

1992 9-3 (lost Rose Bowl)

1993 7-4

1994 7-4

1995 7-4-1 (tied for Pac Ten Championship)

1996 9-3

1997 8-4

1998 6-6

1999 7-5

2000 11-1 (won Rose Bowl)

 

They were a good program for much of the 90s. In fact they spent at least one week ranked in every season. They were good up until Rick Neuheisel left. When Neuheisel decided to enter a "neighborhood" pool for March Madness, the UW program went down the tubes. This was after the games were scheduled, so it's hard to fault OSU on this.

 

okay, i stand corrected. espn only had their record back 2002. i still think OSU is getting a big-time free pass on their schedule by the talking heads while KU is getting ravaged. I know --we are an at-large while OSU is an autobid-- but they shouldn't be in the NC game. The media seems content to ignore that, though.

 

I was getting ready to post what Meph did earlier regarding OSU's schedule. In fact, I mentioned it earlier. I dislike OSU greatly -- who doesn't? -- but they do NOT duck people. They are one of the few top programs that consistently plays another top program. Washington's down this year, yes. Could they have expected that? I don't think so. But, either way, 1) they only have them once and pick up USC the next two years, and 2) OSU did lose a great deal off last year's team.

 

However, I do agree with you that their schedule this year left a lot to be desired for a BCS Championship Game appearance. I don't think they should be there, I'd rank them about fifth. Their schedule and wins aren't deserving of #1. It's just not exactly their fault and they do schedule real teams.

[CuseCubFan69]

it's not like Kansas chose to not play good conference teams. that's scheduled by the conference

 

also, who doesn't love the Holiday Bowl? every year they pretty much guarantee a combined score of 80+, and this year is probably no exception

What does that have to do with anything? They still played a weak schedule and got rewarded for it.

 

You guys should have just taken 2 teams to add to the original 8.

 

You think Texas and A&M were coming without Tech and Baylor?

 

And a Big East fan preaching about conference size... :)

 

Hey, I hate this 16 team thing and I've said that since day one!

[CuseCubFan69]

That agreement was probably made around 1998-2000, when they scheduled the 2003 game for a home and home season.

 

 

1990 10-2 (won Rose Bowl)

1991 12-0 (won Rose Bowl, split National Champtionship)

1992 9-3 (lost Rose Bowl)

1993 7-4

1994 7-4

1995 7-4-1 (tied for Pac Ten Championship)

1996 9-3

1997 8-4

1998 6-6

1999 7-5

2000 11-1 (won Rose Bowl)

 

They were a good program for much of the 90s. In fact they spent at least one week ranked in every season. They were good up until Rick Neuheisel left. When Neuheisel decided to enter a "neighborhood" pool for March Madness, the UW program went down the tubes. This was after the games were scheduled, so it's hard to fault OSU on this.

 

okay, i stand corrected. espn only had their record back 2002. i still think OSU is getting a big-time free pass on their schedule by the talking heads while KU is getting ravaged. I know --we are an at-large while OSU is an autobid-- but they shouldn't be in the NC game. The media seems content to ignore that, though.

 

I was getting ready to post what Meph did earlier regarding OSU's schedule. In fact, I mentioned it earlier. I dislike OSU greatly -- who doesn't? -- but they do NOT duck people. They are one of the few top programs that consistently plays another top program. Washington's down this year, yes. Could they have expected that? I don't think so. But, either way, 1) they only have them once and pick up USC the next two years, and 2) OSU did lose a great deal off last year's team.

 

However, I do agree with you that their schedule this year left a lot to be desired for a BCS Championship Game appearance. I don't think they should be there, I'd rank them about fifth. Their schedule and wins aren't deserving of #1. It's just not exactly their fault and they do schedule real teams.

 

I'd like to see all BCS teams schedule at least 2 BCS OOC teams, a home and an away.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'd like to see all BCS teams schedule at least 2 BCS OOC teams, a home and an away.

 

That would pretty much ensure that no non-BCS conference school would ever make a BCS game again.