MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[UMFan83]

If you are posting love about Rnny Ceeno (notice I removed the O and D) please read 90% of the game threads in 2006

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Anything new?

[ctcf]

So looks like the O's insiders might be soap droppers.

[CubColtPacer]

I don't think we can still assume that Cedeno is automatically a better defender. He still seems to have a big problem with throwing errors which will negate most of the good that his superior range will give you.

 

The latest update on the trade from one of the insiders was that he believes it should be done later today, and that the delay is MacPhail trying to get a little more from the deal before he finishes it.

[abuck1220]

If you are posting love about Rnny Ceeno (notice I removed the O and D) please read 90% of the game threads in 2006

 

oh zing.

[Soul]

The latest update on the trade from one of the insiders was that he believes it should be done later today, and that the delay is MacPhail trying to get a little more from the deal before he finishes it.

 

If MacPhail is still trying to get more or better players, then the deal can't be done yet -- can't even be done in principal. The principal is the players being exchanged.

[nilodnayr]

There's a few other things to take into account. Many believe, Meph included, that DeRosa won't repeat the season he had last year next year.

 

I like how you put in there "Meph included" like, "Heh, if you're not sold on that, then there's NO WAY you can't believe it after I include that."

 

Anyway, I don't think acquiring Roberts makes us paper champs. I think it's weird people don't mind giving up Gallagher's #3 potential, but we're falling over ourselves to acquire Joe Blanton, a guy who looks like Josh Towers away from Oakland.

 

I wonder - how come if we get Roberts, Soriano can't leadoff and Roberts can't hit 2nd? Soriano just makes me nervous. I don't like tinkering with him. Dropping him in the lineup could cost production, he's just not well suited to hitting in an RBI spot it seems. It also seems like if we upgraded at shortstop it would outstrip the improvement of going from DeRosa to Roberts. I mean, we were above average in production at 2nd last year, Mark DeRosa was an .848 OPS hitter when he played 2nd, but everywhere else he wasn't so great... we had the worst production out of shortstop as any team in the NL last year, I think our shortstop OPS was like 140 points below the NL average... I don't see the picture as rosily as everyone else.

 

Yup, I've posted this lineup before

 

Soriano

Roberts

Lee

Fukudome/ARam

ARam/Fukudome

Soto

Pie

Theriot

 

Soto is going to have a lot of RBI opportunities even if he doesn't hit great ala Bengie Molina.

[JeffH]

The latest update on the trade from one of the insiders was that he believes it should be done later today, and that the delay is MacPhail trying to get a little more from the deal before he finishes it.

 

If MacPhail is still trying to get more or better players, then the deal can't be done yet -- can't even be done in principal. The principal is the players being exchanged.

 

Not necessarily. Maybe Payton is coming back and Andy only wants to give $2 cash rather than $3.

[David]

Count me as someone who doesn't buy into the whole "Soriano can't hit anywhere but leadoff" thing. He had a career year in 2006, and it just so happened he was hitting leadoff. That's a big part of why his numbers are so skewed. Keep in mind, also, that the fact that he was in such a terrible lineup in Washington is part of the reason his OBP numbers looked so good. Off the top of my head, I don't know how many IBB's he got, but it was a significant amount.

 

Personally, I'm not all that worried about his production suddenly dropping off if/when he's moved in the lineup.

 

There are signs that Lou might be considering a change, too. On top of the fact that they're going after Roberts, who is one of the best "traditional leadoff hitters" (God, I hate that term) in the game, there are rumors that Lou, at this point, has Pie penciled in at leadoff, if you believe what Lou supposedly told an Oriole fan at a memorabilia convention. I take that one with a grain of salt, but, at the same time, why would somebody just make a story like that up?

[Sammy Sofa]

Roberts and Fukudome make a lot of sense hitting #1-2...anywhere else isn't knocking my socks off. Both players were/are sought seemingly because of the OBP...so why waste tha further down in the lineup? Sorry, Sori, it's time to move down.

[TheDude]

I don't think we can still assume that Cedeno is automatically a better defender. He still seems to have a big problem with throwing errors which will negate most of the good that his superior range will give you.

 

This observation doesn't hold. When you have a lot of range, you're going to have a lot more off-balanced throws, and correspondingly more errors. So you should expect more throwing errors from a wide-ranging SS. The observation should be: a percentage of the balls he will get to will result in errors, but the alternative without the range was a base hit, so you live with the extra couple of errors to get the base-hits-turned-into-outs from the extra range and accurate throws.

[BigbadB]

I don't think we can still assume that Cedeno is automatically a better defender. He still seems to have a big problem with throwing errors which will negate most of the good that his superior range will give you.

 

This observation doesn't hold. When you have a lot of range, you're going to have a lot more off-balanced throws, and correspondingly more errors. So you should expect more throwing errors from a wide-ranging SS. The observation should be: a percentage of the balls he will get to will result in errors, but the alternative without the range was a base hit, so you live with the extra couple of errors to get the base-hits-turned-into-outs from the extra range and accurate throws.

 

Well put.

[The Voice of Reason]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-071219cubsbrite,1,5801635.story

 

The Cubs still would "like to do a few more things" trade-wise, according to general manager Jim Hendry, and Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts has not been scratched off the trade list just because he was named in the Mitchell report.

 

Roberts has admitted using steroids "once" in 2003 before becoming a two-time All-Star and has apologized. The Cubs and Orioles talked during the winter meetings—before the release of the Mitchell report—but could not reach a trade agreement.

 

The Cubs' policy on players tainted by steroid and HGH use?

 

"We're reviewing all the players [in the Mitchell report] on a case-by-case basis and certainly there's already been some rumors that some of the players mentioned are targets for us," Cubs Chairman Crane Kenney said Wednesday. "We're not going to make any judgments globally. ...

 

"If you read the report, players range from quite grand speculation to real hard evidence. And we're going to look at the same things that the commissioner and everyone else looks at."

 

While not mentioning specific positions, Hendry said the Cubs still were shopping even after signing Kosuke Fukudome for four years and $48 million to play right field. They still need a left-handed hitting infielder—and Roberts is a switch-hitter.

 

Translation. If the Cubs can get Roberts at the right price, they will.

[CubColtPacer]

I don't think we can still assume that Cedeno is automatically a better defender. He still seems to have a big problem with throwing errors which will negate most of the good that his superior range will give you.

 

This observation doesn't hold. When you have a lot of range, you're going to have a lot more off-balanced throws, and correspondingly more errors. So you should expect more throwing errors from a wide-ranging SS. The observation should be: a percentage of the balls he will get to will result in errors, but the alternative without the range was a base hit, so you live with the extra couple of errors to get the base-hits-turned-into-outs from the extra range and accurate throws.

 

It's not just throwing errors that result from the extra range though. You're right, you would expect that increased range would cause more throwing errors. Cedeno's bad throws are not limited to that though. He has trouble throwing all types of plays at times.

Plus, it has to be considered that almost every throwing error results in extra bases, while a lack of range by a SS typically will result in a single.

 

I'm just saying that it's not as clearcut as Cedeno has a better range and better arm so that means he's a better SS. Cedeno's SS defense in 2006 was no better than Theriot's SS defense in 2007, and it is still to be seen if Cedeno has improved with the mistakes or not.

[nilodnayr]

Roberts and Fukudome make a lot of sense hitting #1-2...anywhere else isn't knocking my socks off. Both players were/are sought seemingly because of the OBP...so why waste tha further down in the lineup? Sorry, Sori, it's time to move down.

Fukudome is a lefty

Roberts is a lefty

[RynoRules]

Stark:

 

One more Cubs note: Indications are that they've talked to the Orioles about both Brian Roberts and Erik Bedard but don't have what it takes to trade for both. It would be just one or the other. And if they do either, the Cubs still appear to be more focused on Roberts than Bedard.

[YearofDaCubs]

Stark:

 

One more Cubs note: Indications are that they've talked to the Orioles about both Brian Roberts and Erik Bedard but don't have what it takes to trade for both. It would be just one or the other. And if they do either, the Cubs still appear to be more focused on Roberts than Bedard.

Trading for Bedard strengthens this team more than trading for Roberts.

[CubColtPacer]

Stark:

 

One more Cubs note: Indications are that they've talked to the Orioles about both Brian Roberts and Erik Bedard but don't have what it takes to trade for both. It would be just one or the other. And if they do either, the Cubs still appear to be more focused on Roberts than Bedard.

Trading for Bedard strengthens this team more than trading for Roberts.

 

Of course it does, but trading for Bedard requires a lot more in prospects.

[Tracer Bullet]

If you are posting love about Rnny Ceeno (notice I removed the O and D) please read 90% of the game threads in 2006

 

By George, I think you've got it. All personnel decisions should be based solely on the 2006 season. Or, more accurately, solely on comments made in the game threads, which are known for their accuracy, during the 2006 season.

[anabiono]

Stark:

 

One more Cubs note: Indications are that they've talked to the Orioles about both Brian Roberts and Erik Bedard but don't have what it takes to trade for both. It would be just one or the other. And if they do either, the Cubs still appear to be more focused on Roberts than Bedard.

Trading for Bedard strengthens this team more than trading for Roberts.

 

Of course it does, but trading for Bedard requires a lot more in prospects.

 

 

so since we are not going to be able to land bedard or santana (that was just for laughs)

 

what are our real possibilities at rotation addition?

 

clement and colon?

 

will we actually be able to give up enough without giving up pie to reign in blanton?

 

i would think that beane would like a murton type...but i guess he will be going for roberts...

 

blah...sorry...i know i say it a lot guys...but...we need another bloody pitcher already!

[UMFan83]

If you are posting love about Rnny Ceeno (notice I removed the O and D) please read 90% of the game threads in 2006

 

By George, I think you've got it. All personnel decisions should be based solely on the 2006 season. Or, more accurately, solely on comments made in the game threads, which are known for their accuracy, during the 2006 season.

 

Exactly my point!

[JeffH]

orioleshangout.com:

 

BB and Peace, ANything on your end? Just spoke to my guy and he said the deal is getting ready to be announced. Check with your guys if you haven't already!

[anabiono]

we are going to get livan...i can just feel it

[Burtonbell]

They are so laughing at us over there. Or they are correct.

 

Either way its make some of us here a bit crazy.

[BigbadB]

drum roll please.........