MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[BigbadB]

Let's assume we get Fukudome and Roberts. Where's Mark DeRosa in this scenario, exactly?

Super sub. He really doesn't have a set position, he could play everywhere. He won't start, but he probably could still end up with 300 at bats.

 

Wrong. A guy with a .380 OBP should be playing everyday. Period. 300 at bats isn't nearly enough, unless of course he had 300 at bats and 600 plate appearances.

I feel the same way, but I made my post based on what I think will happen, not what I think should happen. If it was up to me, we would be trying to get a starting shortstop, not another starting second baseman.

 

But, Cedeno is the only true SS on the team. Theriot is a 2b. His arm doesn't really have the range to be a true SS. So, if we are going to play a guy out of position, give me Brian Roberts at SS and Mark DeRosa at 2b.

[Outshined_One]

From rotoworld:

The Orioles and Cubs are talking about Brian Roberts trade, with the Cubs reportedly offering two players in return.

 

Huh. I wonder what Mark DeRosa's availability looks like?

[Butterscup1679666578]

Any chance we could move DeRosa to SS? I mean, he's played there sparingly throughout his career, I wonder if the staff could make it a project during ST and have him take most of his ST playing time at SS. It's not like Theriot is a stud defender over there, why not give DeRosa a shot?

[ConstableRabbit]

Missed this part:

 

Talks have progressed far enough that the Orioles are already showing interest in Tadahito Iguchi, according to the Baltimore Sun.

 

Wow.

[inari]

Any chance we could move DeRosa to SS? I mean, he's played there sparingly throughout his career, I wonder if the staff could make it a project during ST and have him take most of his ST playing time at SS. It's not like Theriot is a stud defender over there, why not give DeRosa a shot?

 

Because the Cubs don't think outside the box.

[mdwilla]

I can't help but hold out hope that Hendrys gonna pull of a blockbuster tonight getting Bedard/Roberts

Miggy/Roberts from the Orioles to go with his prize free agent Fukodome.

[Post Count Padder]

Let's assume we get Fukudome and Roberts. Where's Mark DeRosa in this scenario, exactly?

Super sub. He really doesn't have a set position, he could play everywhere. He won't start, but he probably could still end up with 300 at bats.

 

Wrong. A guy with a .380 OBP should be playing everyday. Period. 300 at bats isn't nearly enough, unless of course he had 300 at bats and 600 plate appearances.

I feel the same way, but I made my post based on what I think will happen, not what I think should happen. If it was up to me, we would be trying to get a starting shortstop, not another starting second baseman.

 

But, Cedeno is the only true SS on the team. Theriot is a 2b. His arm doesn't really have the range to be a true SS. So, if we are going to play a guy out of position, give me Brian Roberts at SS and Mark DeRosa at 2b.

IIRC, Roberts is a historically bad fielding SS.

[HoopsCubs]

If this rumor is true, and the teams indeed are working on a deal, it probably does dispel the rumor that the only thing MacPhail and Hendry were concentrating on during their lunch meeting yesterday was lunch.

[BigbadB]

Any chance we could move DeRosa to SS? I mean, he's played there sparingly throughout his career, I wonder if the staff could make it a project during ST and have him take most of his ST playing time at SS. It's not like Theriot is a stud defender over there, why not give DeRosa a shot?

 

If DeRosa was a better option than Theriot, they probably would have done that last year. My issue with this super utility thing I keep hearing is that there really isn't a place for a super utility player to play regularly if they get all the guys they are talking about getting. For example, if the Cubs go into 2008 with:

 

Soto, Lee, Roberts, Theriot, Ramirez, Soriano, Pie and Fukudome, the only place DeRosa would sub regularly would probably be at SS. And if that's the case, I like DeRosa way more than Theriot, so let Theriot be the super sub and live with sub par defense at SS, whether that guy be DeRosa or Roberts.

[HoopsCubs]

I can't help but hold out hope that Hendrys gonna pull of a blockbuster tonight getting Bedard/Roberts

Miggy/Roberts from the Orioles to go with his prize free agent Fukodome.

 

Maybe he has been inspired by his very good friend, Dave Dombrowski.

[Outshined_One]

I'd be all for a Bedard/Roberts deal as long as we don't get robbed.

 

What kind of package do you think would get the job done?

 

Moreover, I'm curious about whether this deal might hinge on the Cubs picking up Fukudome. That would make Pie (and possibly Colvin) expendable...

[BigbadB]

Let's assume we get Fukudome and Roberts. Where's Mark DeRosa in this scenario, exactly?

Super sub. He really doesn't have a set position, he could play everywhere. He won't start, but he probably could still end up with 300 at bats.

 

Wrong. A guy with a .380 OBP should be playing everyday. Period. 300 at bats isn't nearly enough, unless of course he had 300 at bats and 600 plate appearances.

I feel the same way, but I made my post based on what I think will happen, not what I think should happen. If it was up to me, we would be trying to get a starting shortstop, not another starting second baseman.

 

But, Cedeno is the only true SS on the team. Theriot is a 2b. His arm doesn't really have the range to be a true SS. So, if we are going to play a guy out of position, give me Brian Roberts at SS and Mark DeRosa at 2b.

IIRC, Roberts is a historically bad fielding SS.

 

DeRosa or Roberts, doesn't matter to me.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Any chance we could move DeRosa to SS? I mean, he's played there sparingly throughout his career, I wonder if the staff could make it a project during ST and have him take most of his ST playing time at SS. It's not like Theriot is a stud defender over there, why not give DeRosa a shot?

 

If DeRosa was a better option than Theriot, they probably would have done that last year. My issue with this super utility thing I keep hearing is that there really isn't a place for a super utility player to play regularly if they get all the guys they are talking about getting. For example, if the Cubs go into 2008 with:

 

Soto, Lee, Roberts, Theriot, Ramirez, Soriano, Pie and Fukudome, the only place DeRosa would sub regularly would probably be at SS. And if that's the case, I like DeRosa way more than Theriot, so let Theriot be the super sub and live with sub par defense at SS, whether that guy be DeRosa or Roberts.

 

But then who would've played second for them last year? Or are you saying if DeRosa was better he would've played SS while Theriot played 2B? Even then though, I think it's something you'd have to look at and see if the difference in fielding is that great. Even if Theriot is better but the difference isn't all that much, I think it's something you have to pursue given the numbers DeRosa put up last year.

[JeffH]

I hope neither Hill nor Gallagher are in the offering.

 

Marshall, Cedeno, and Fox would be a better package to offer.

 

No offense to the Gallagher family, but Sean is not the kind of player you let get in the way of acquiring Brian Roberts.

[RammyFanny]

Epatt is probably involved too if I had to guess. No room for him in center, we'd be getting a 2b, below average O for a corner OF, and IMO Tony Thomas can become just as good a prospect by the time we are looking for 2B prospects again.

[CUBZ99]

The clips they played today of Lou's comments, made it sound like he was not happy with Derosa starting at 2b. My guess is that Hendry will find another 2B before the season starts.

 

Besides having Roberts at 2B, it would not be such a bad thing to have DeRosa coming of the bench. We all know that somebody is going to get hurt during the course of the season and DeRosa is a good insurance policy at almost every position.

[ConstableRabbit]

Epatt is probably involved too if I had to guess. No room for him in center, we'd be getting a 2b, below average O for a corner OF, and IMO Tony Thomas can become just as good a prospect by the time we are looking for 2B prospects again.

 

Rotoworld was speculating that it was EPatt & Hill or Felix Pie & Sean Marshall/Sean Gallagher

[CUBZ99]

Epatt is probably involved too if I had to guess. No room for him in center, we'd be getting a 2b, below average O for a corner OF, and IMO Tony Thomas can become just as good a prospect by the time we are looking for 2B prospects again.

 

Rotoworld was speculating that it was EPatt & Hill or Felix Pie & Sean Marshall/Sean Gallagher

 

There is no way that you trade Hill without Bedard being included.

[Outshined_One]

Does anyone have a picture of Roberts wearing those freaky contact lenses?

[BigbadB]

But then who would've played second for them last year? Or are you saying if DeRosa was better he would've played SS while Theriot played 2B?

 

Yes, if the Cubs thought DeRosa was a better SS, the ideal thing to have done would be to switch the two. Theriot does not have a major league arm to play SS.

 

And what you don't see in the box score is the infield hit that got on because of Theriot's arm. They don't mark those as errors. But, whether Roberts or DeRosa booted a ball that Theriot might have gotten to, Theriot isn't necessarily the better SS considering the runners he allows to get on base that just aren't marked down as errors.

[RammyFanny]

I just hope Angelos doesn't nix anything with Roberts like he supposedly done in the past (assuming we aren't getting raped).

[Mephistopheles]

I don't think JH is dumb enough to give up Rich Hill for another secondbaseman. If so, I would have rather had Matsui.

[Electron Blue]

brian roberts . . . had to look at the stats -- i tend to not notice a lot of AL players. I really like the idea of having him for 2b, though I worry that any of pie/hill/marmol would be included. Not surprisingly, I'd like to have the good player without giving any good players up :)

[XZero771679666304]

Epatt is probably involved too if I had to guess. No room for him in center, we'd be getting a 2b, below average O for a corner OF, and IMO Tony Thomas can become just as good a prospect by the time we are looking for 2B prospects again.

 

Rotoworld was speculating that it was EPatt & Hill or Felix Pie & Sean Marshall/Sean Gallagher

 

 

Eww. I'd do Patterson and Marshall/Gallagher, but not Pie and certainly not Hill.

[Electron Blue]

Epatt is probably involved too if I had to guess. No room for him in center, we'd be getting a 2b, below average O for a corner OF, and IMO Tony Thomas can become just as good a prospect by the time we are looking for 2B prospects again.

 

Rotoworld was speculating that it was EPatt & Hill or Felix Pie & Sean Marshall/Sean Gallagher

 

I know it's cheating, but I'd choose the Epatt/Marshall combo . . . maybe, maybe gallagher as well.

 

As for bedard... that's not really serious is it?