Garza for Young - Official

[UK1679666180]

The deal is done, just swap Morlan for Rincon since Rincon's elbow isn't right.

[Post Count Padder]

Now done apparantly:

 

Delmon Young-OF-Rays Nov. 28 - 9:51 pm et

 

According to the St. Petersburg Times, the Delmon Young-to-Minnesota is done, though it may no longer be a six-player trade.

 

Juan Rincon may be out of the trade because of his elbow, which might result in the Twins getting a different package. Either way, it seems likely that the Rays will still get Matt Garza and Jason Bartlett.

Source: St. Petersburg Times

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

and this is why the Rays...well are the Rays. Just a god awful trade.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

Rays, Twins finish 6-player deal including Young, Garza

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3131988

[Post Count Padder]

and this is why the Rays...well are the Rays. Just a god awful trade.

Why? This trade got even better for them with them now getting Morlan, IMO.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

and this is why the Rays...well are the Rays. Just a god awful trade.

Why? This trade got even better for them with them now getting Morlan, IMO.

In terms of prospect value, Young >>>>>>>> Garza. Plus Harris is decent value at SS, while Bartlett is simply trash. Young was the best of the best in terms of position players for the Rays.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

double post

[cbbryan]

Pirdie's Stats at AAA

 

2007 Season 
Team League AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS 
MON SOU .290 71 279 42 81 16 7 4 27 123 14 45 14 7 .331 .441 .772 
DUR INT .318 63 245 47 78 16 4 10 39 132 22 47 12 3 .375 .539 .914 
Minors  .303 134 524 89 159 32 11 14 66 255 36 92 26 10 .352 .487 .839 

 

Morlan's Stats at AFL

 

2007 Season 
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG 
FTM FSL 4 3 3.15 41 0 0 0 18 65.2 55 25 23 7 17 92 0.56 .218 
NBR EAS 1 0 2.25 2 0 0 0 0 4.0 3 1 1 0 3 7 0.67 .200 
Minors  5 3 3.10 43 0 0 0 18 69.2 58 26 24 7 20 99 0.56 .217 

 

This Morlan kid is young too. Only 21, I believe. He's from Havana, Cuba.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

If Morlan was going to be any good, the Twins would have never given him up.

[cbbryan]

If Morlan was going to be any good, the Twins would have never given him up.

 

 

Scouts.com has him as a 2-star prospect:

 

Biography: 
2006 Highlights:

Spent the entire season with Beloit of the Midwest League.

Appeared in 28 games, making 18 starts.

Named a Midwest League All-Star.

Posted a 2.29 earned run average in 106.1 innings of work.

Struck out 125 batters, while holding opponents to a .202 batting average.
2005 Highlights:


Began the season at Elizabethton of the Appalachian League.

Made four starts, posting a 0.82 earned run average.

Named Apply League Pitcher of the Week for the week of June 20-27.

Promoted to Beloit on July 16.

Made ten starts for the Snappers, winning four games.

Posted a 4.38 earned run average, striking out better than a batter per inning.
2004 Highlights:


Made his professional debut as a member of the Gulf Coast League Twins.

Appeared in 11 games, making two starts.

Posted a 2.84 earned run average, picking up one save.
Personal: Eduardo (Eddie) Morlan..Attended Coral Park (FL) High School..Native of La Habana, Cuba..Drafted by the Minnesota Twins in the third round of the 2004 draft..Signed by Hector Otero..Originally assigned to the Gulf Coast League Twins.

 

http://orioles.scout.com/a.z?s=251&p=8&c=1&nid=3078459

[cbbryan]

Interesting bit with Pridie, he was selected by the Twins in the 2006 Rule 5 and was returned to TB in March.

 

So, apparently Pridie was someone the Twins have had interest in before this trade.

[Sammy Sofa]

So does this change parts of what they'll be likely to be asking for if they move Santana?

[Wolverineman]

how is that considering the only player of value the rays got was Garza, who will only pitch every 5 days, vs. Young who will play in 162 games.

 

 

Jason Bartlett is a nice pickup too. The Rays terrible run prevention last year wasn't just bad pitchers. The defense behind those pitchers was just awful. Bartlett is a very good to elite defensive SS. Even if he isn't any better than replacement level on offense, he has a lot of value for Tampa. And if Brignac shows he's completely ready, Bartlett isn't so good you can't bench/trade him for the new guy.

 

As a Rays fan, I like the deal. Trade from a source of depth to get lots of value where we're weak. I hate to lose the potential of someone like Young, but I feel it's worth it. I don't think Garza will ever be a #1, but that's not what the team needs. A solid #3/possible #2 is exactly what the team does need.

 

Another good thing, in my opinion, is this deal reinforces what I've believed for a couple years: There's almost 0 chance the Rays will trade Crawford for prospects. It never made any sense to me that people thought the team would trade him unless it was for an elite pitcher(Oswalt, Santana, Zambrano. etc.). He signed a below market deal to stay in Tampa. He's been an all-star and the face of the franchise. Only way it'd make sense to trade him is if 1) he was in the last year of his deal and 2) he refused to sign an extension. Neither of those things are anywhere close to being true.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Morlan was going to be any good, the Twins would have never given him up.

 

That Santana guy sucks.

[javy knows my name]

how is that considering the only player of value the rays got was Garza, who will only pitch every 5 days, vs. Young who will play in 162 games.

 

 

Jason Bartlett is a nice pickup too. The Rays terrible run prevention last year wasn't just bad pitchers. The defense behind those pitchers was just awful. Bartlett is a very good to elite defensive SS. Even if he isn't any better than replacement level on offense, he has a lot of value for Tampa. And if Brignac shows he's completely ready, Bartlett isn't so good you can't bench/trade him for the new guy.

 

As a Rays fan, I like the deal. Trade from a source of depth to get lots of value where we're weak. I hate to lose the potential of someone like Young, but I feel it's worth it. I don't think Garza will ever be a #1, but that's not what the team needs. A solid #3/possible #2 is exactly what the team does need.

 

Another good thing, in my opinion, is this deal reinforces what I've believed for a couple years: There's almost 0 chance the Rays will trade Crawford for prospects. It never made any sense to me that people thought the team would trade him unless it was for an elite pitcher(Oswalt, Santana, Zambrano. etc.). He signed a below market deal to stay in Tampa. He's been an all-star and the face of the franchise. Only way it'd make sense to trade him is if 1) he was in the last year of his deal and 2) he refused to sign an extension. Neither of those things are anywhere close to being true.

This is why the Rays are stupid.

[nilodnayr]

If Morlan was going to be any good, the Twins would have never given him up.

 

Um, no. They had to do what they had to do to make this deal happen. Morlan is one of the best reliever prospects.

[nilodnayr]

If Morlan was going to be any good, the Twins would have never given him up.

 

That Santana guy sucks.

 

Yeah, this isn't the org that released David Ortiz or anything.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

If Morlan was going to be any good, the Twins would have never given him up.

 

That Santana guy sucks.

 

And what is your point? Did they Twins deal Santana when he was in the minors. My point is that the Twins have probably the best scouting in baseball, and have a good idea of Morlan's ceiling in the majors.

[Mark_R]

Anybody know what the big message board is for the Rays? I remember seeing it about a year or so ago with very lively activity and I'm interested to see their perspective on the deal.

 

Thanks.

[nilodnayr]

If Morlan was going to be any good, the Twins would have never given him up.

 

That Santana guy sucks.

 

And what is your point? Did they Twins deal Santana when he was in the minors. My point is that the Twins have probably the best scouting in baseball, and have a good idea of Morlan's ceiling in the majors.

 

Yeah and the organization thats produced Carl Crawford, BJ Upton, Delmon Young, Rocco Baltelli, James Shields, Elijah Dukes, acquired Scott Kazmir, acquired Carlos Pena, AND has arguably the best minor league system in baseball is chopped liver. Puhlease.

[BigbadB]

how is that considering the only player of value the rays got was Garza, who will only pitch every 5 days, vs. Young who will play in 162 games.

 

 

Jason Bartlett is a nice pickup too. The Rays terrible run prevention last year wasn't just bad pitchers. The defense behind those pitchers was just awful. Bartlett is a very good to elite defensive SS. Even if he isn't any better than replacement level on offense, he has a lot of value for Tampa. And if Brignac shows he's completely ready, Bartlett isn't so good you can't bench/trade him for the new guy.

 

As a Rays fan, I like the deal. Trade from a source of depth to get lots of value where we're weak. I hate to lose the potential of someone like Young, but I feel it's worth it. I don't think Garza will ever be a #1, but that's not what the team needs. A solid #3/possible #2 is exactly what the team does need.

 

Another good thing, in my opinion, is this deal reinforces what I've believed for a couple years: There's almost 0 chance the Rays will trade Crawford for prospects. It never made any sense to me that people thought the team would trade him unless it was for an elite pitcher(Oswalt, Santana, Zambrano. etc.). He signed a below market deal to stay in Tampa. He's been an all-star and the face of the franchise. Only way it'd make sense to trade him is if 1) he was in the last year of his deal and 2) he refused to sign an extension. Neither of those things are anywhere close to being true.

 

I agree with you. Delmon Young is young and he will likely improve. However, he has a long way to go to be an elite player. His patience at the plate makes Rocco Baldelli look like a patient hitter. Young was promoted too quickly, and an argument can be made that the Tampa outfield will be better with Crawford, Upton and one of Dukes, Gomes or Baldelli out there rather than Young. And when you couple in the fact Longoria could end up being better offensively than Young, where is the drop off in offensive production when you exclude Young from the picture?

 

What Tampa needs more than anything is pitching. And they just got a solid arm to add to the youth. Tampa can start this coming season with Kazmir, Shields, Garza and fill the last spots with Sonnanstine and possibly one of the prize young prospects coming through the ranks.

[tadowdaddy]

This hurts me in my Roadkill keepers... Now Garza will be pitching for the D-Rays! UGH!

[nilodnayr]

how is that considering the only player of value the rays got was Garza, who will only pitch every 5 days, vs. Young who will play in 162 games.

 

 

Jason Bartlett is a nice pickup too. The Rays terrible run prevention last year wasn't just bad pitchers. The defense behind those pitchers was just awful. Bartlett is a very good to elite defensive SS. Even if he isn't any better than replacement level on offense, he has a lot of value for Tampa. And if Brignac shows he's completely ready, Bartlett isn't so good you can't bench/trade him for the new guy.

 

As a Rays fan, I like the deal. Trade from a source of depth to get lots of value where we're weak. I hate to lose the potential of someone like Young, but I feel it's worth it. I don't think Garza will ever be a #1, but that's not what the team needs. A solid #3/possible #2 is exactly what the team does need.

 

Another good thing, in my opinion, is this deal reinforces what I've believed for a couple years: There's almost 0 chance the Rays will trade Crawford for prospects. It never made any sense to me that people thought the team would trade him unless it was for an elite pitcher(Oswalt, Santana, Zambrano. etc.). He signed a below market deal to stay in Tampa. He's been an all-star and the face of the franchise. Only way it'd make sense to trade him is if 1) he was in the last year of his deal and 2) he refused to sign an extension. Neither of those things are anywhere close to being true.

 

I agree with you. Delmon Young is young and he will likely improve. However, he has a long way to go to be an elite player. His patience at the plate makes Rocco Baldelli look like a patient hitter. Young was promoted too quickly, and an argument can be made that the Tampa outfield will be better with Crawford, Upton and one of Dukes, Gomes or Baldelli out there rather than Young. And when you couple in the fact Longoria could end up being better offensively than Young, where is the drop off in offensive production when you exclude Young from the picture?

 

What Tampa needs more than anything is pitching. And they just got a solid arm to add to the youth. Tampa can start this coming season with Kazmir, Shields, Garza and fill the last spots with Sonnanstine and possibly one of the prize young prospects coming through the ranks.

 

I don't disagree here. This deal makes them better for 2008. But I would argue 2009 and beyond they would have been better off holding on to Young.

[nilodnayr]

This hurts me in my Roadkill keepers... Now Garza will be pitching for the D-Rays! UGH!

 

If the Rays do make the commitment to their pen (ie Percival, relievers from Japan), I don't really think its going to be too bad of a downgrade.

[UK1679666180]

If Morlan was going to be any good, the Twins would have never given him up.

 

That Santana guy sucks.

 

And what is your point? Did they Twins deal Santana when he was in the minors. My point is that the Twins have probably the best scouting in baseball, and have a good idea of Morlan's ceiling in the majors.

 

Actually, the Rays are known to have some of the best scouts around as well as the Twins.