Who do you guys think should win the Heisman?

[Andy]

McFadden and there's no question in my mind. Not only is he easily the best player in college football, but he's putting up great stats without even a poor passing game. Teams know McFadden is going to run the ball and Arkansas isn't even going to try to throw the ball, but he still racks up the yardage.

 

If McFadden doesn't win it, the Heisman will have lost what little credibility it still has.

Tebow will and should win it.

[CuseCubFan69]

McFadden and there's no question in my mind. Not only is he easily the best player in college football, but he's putting up great stats without even a poor passing game. Teams know McFadden is going to run the ball and Arkansas isn't even going to try to throw the ball, but he still racks up the yardage.

 

If McFadden doesn't win it, the Heisman will have lost what little credibility it still has.

 

It lost the credibility years ago for me due to the regional bias and ignorance of the writers who vote.

[Andy]

McFadden and there's no question in my mind. Not only is he easily the best player in college football, but he's putting up great stats without even a poor passing game. Teams know McFadden is going to run the ball and Arkansas isn't even going to try to throw the ball, but he still racks up the yardage.

 

If McFadden doesn't win it, the Heisman will have lost what little credibility it still has.

 

It lost the credibility years ago for me due to the regional bias and ignorance of the writers who vote.

See last year, when McFadden finished 2nd even though he missed the most important game of the year (after getting hurt in a bar fight, no less)

[cubsfan5150]

McFadden and there's no question in my mind. Not only is he easily the best player in college football, but he's putting up great stats without even a poor passing game. Teams know McFadden is going to run the ball and Arkansas isn't even going to try to throw the ball, but he still racks up the yardage.

 

If McFadden doesn't win it, the Heisman will have lost what little credibility it still has.

 

It lost the credibility years ago for me due to the regional bias and ignorance of the writers who vote.

See last year, when McFadden finished 2nd even though he missed the most important game of the year (after getting hurt in a bar fight, no less)

 

He didn't miss the game, he just wasn't 100% going into the game, but he still carried the ball around 9 times. Actually the most important game of the year was either the LSU game or the Florida game, and he played lights out in one, and played OK in the other. He was also hurt in both of those games might I add.

[SouthSideRyan]

Whoever voted for Boeckman is an Illinois fan.

[Post Count Padder]

I'll say it again:

 

Michael Crabtree

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'll say it again:

 

Michael Crabtree

 

He's not even a 1st Team All Big XII WR.

[Post Count Padder]

I'll say it again:

 

Michael Crabtree

 

He's not even a 1st Team All Big XII WR.

125 catches and 21 TDs. Pretty impressive numbers, even for someone at a big time passing school.

[CDBears1259]

This poll is useless without this guy on it:

 

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[cubsfan5150]

Anyone still think that someone other than DMac should win the Heisman?

[Guest]

Anyone still think that someone other than DMac should win the Heisman?

 

Tebow.

 

He has a record setting season going in being the first player ever with 20 TD's passing and 20 TD's rushing in the same season. Did you know that Tebow has more rushing TD's than McFadden does this year? And anyone that wants to diminish Tebow's candidacy because Florida has three losses - which the voters often do - has to diminish McFadden's candidacy even more.

 

I'd also probably vote Chase Daniel and Todd Reesing up there as well.

 

McFadden's the best running back in the nation, I'll give you that. But I don't think he should win the Heisman.

[Vanilla Ice]

Anyone still think that someone other than DMac should win the Heisman?

 

I voted for Dixon here (pre-injury), but after watching that game yesterday, I do not see how McFadden does not get the Heisman. The only thing that is going against him is his team's record and Tebow's team has 3 losses anyways. DMac, in my mind, is the best player in the nation.

[ChiCubsFan]

Anyone still think that someone other than DMac should win the Heisman?

 

I voted for Dixon here (pre-injury), but after watching that game yesterday, I do not see how McFadden does not get the Heisman. The only thing that is going against him is his team's record and Tebow's team has 3 losses anyways. DMac, in my mind, is the best player in the nation.

 

So you think it should go to the best player in the nation? Well that doesn't happen that often. I believe it should go to the player who had the best individual season. That player is, without a doubt, Tim Tebow.

[OleMissCub]

Tebow is an amazing player, but Florida would probably still be a contender if they had whoever else at QB. The only reason Arkansas wins a game is because McFadden.

[Mizzou]

Tim Tebow is so overrated, my God. Yeah, he's ran for 20 TD's. But you know what? The vast majority of those were from within 5 yards out. ONE of those 20 was from longer than 10 yards out. That game against SC where he ran for 5 TD's? Every single one of them was from 5 yards or less. Just because he's his team's short yardage run option doesn't make him the Heisman winner. I think he's a fine player, but an incredibly overrated one too.

 

Let me just throw this out there. Chase Daniel has throw for more yards, more TD's, has a higher completion percentage than Tebow, and has only lost one game. How do you look at that and say that Tebow should win over Daniel?

[ChiCubsFan]

Tim Tebow is so overrated, my God. Yeah, he's ran for 20 TD's. But you know what? The vast majority of those were from within 5 yards out. ONE of those 20 was from longer than 10 yards out. That game against SC where he ran for 5 TD's? Every single one of them was from 5 yards or less. Just because he's his team's short yardage run option doesn't make him the Heisman winner. I think he's a fine player, but an incredibly overrated one too.

 

Let me just throw this out there. Chase Daniel has throw for more yards, more TD's, has a higher completion percentage than Tebow, and has only lost one game. How do you look at that and say that Tebow should win over Daniel?

I didn't realize that all his runs were that short. I think you make an excellent point.

[Guest]

Tebow is an amazing player, but Florida would probably still be a contender if they had whoever else at QB. The only reason Arkansas wins a game is because McFadden.

 

The counterargument is that while yes, Florida would likely still be a contender if they had somebody else at QB, that guy still wouldn't be Tim Tebow. He is the only QB ever to run and throw for 20 TD's in a season. Never been done before.

[Mizzou]

Tebow is an amazing player, but Florida would probably still be a contender if they had whoever else at QB. The only reason Arkansas wins a game is because McFadden.

 

The counterargument is that while yes, Florida would likely still be a contender if they had somebody else at QB, that guy still wouldn't be Tim Tebow. He is the only QB ever to run and throw for 20 TD's in a season. Never been done before.

That's because most teams have a running back that punches the ball in from short yardage. You don't think that Steve Young, Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick, etc. could have reached the 20/20 plateau if they were given the ball pretty much every time their team got inside the 5 yard line?

[Derwood]

Tebow is good because this is college football (which is what the Heisman rewards). No NFL team will run that many QB draws, and if he tried on his own, he'd be broken in half by an NFL LB. But since it isn't the "predictor of who will be great in the NFL award", go ahead and give it to Tebow.

[cubsfan5150]

Tebow is an amazing player, but Florida would probably still be a contender if they had whoever else at QB. The only reason Arkansas wins a game is because McFadden.

 

The counterargument is that while yes, Florida would likely still be a contender if they had somebody else at QB, that guy still wouldn't be Tim Tebow. He is the only QB ever to run and throw for 20 TD's in a season. Never been done before.

That's because most teams have a running back that punches the ball in from short yardage. You don't think that Steve Young, Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick, etc. could have reached the 20/20 plateau if they were given the ball pretty much every time their team got inside the 5 yard line?

 

Bingo, it's not like Tebow has huge rushing games or anything. The guy only averages 4.1 YPC. Pat White could do far more on the ground than Tebow does if he didn't have Slaton and the new freshman back in the backfield. Tebow's good but there are four or five QB's out there that I would take over him, where as there isn't another player in the nation that I would take over DMac.

[Guest]

Tebow is an amazing player, but Florida would probably still be a contender if they had whoever else at QB. The only reason Arkansas wins a game is because McFadden.

 

The counterargument is that while yes, Florida would likely still be a contender if they had somebody else at QB, that guy still wouldn't be Tim Tebow. He is the only QB ever to run and throw for 20 TD's in a season. Never been done before.

That's because most teams have a running back that punches the ball in from short yardage. You don't think that Steve Young, Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick, etc. could have reached the 20/20 plateau if they were given the ball pretty much every time their team got inside the 5 yard line?

 

Bingo, it's not like Tebow has huge rushing games or anything. The guy only averages 4.1 YPC. Pat White could do far more on the ground than Tebow does if he didn't have Slaton and the new freshman back in the backfield. Tebow's good but there are four or five QB's out there that I would take over him, where as there isn't another player in the nation that I would take over DMac.

 

McFadden is also helped out immensely by the fact that he has Felix Jones with him in the backfield who is averaging a measly 9.1 yards per carry. Add to the fact that QB is a much harder position to play and is a much more important position to the team and that's why a RB has to have a season that's amazing to beat a QB for the Heisman.

 

I don't think McFadden is Adrian Peterson and even AD didn't win the Heisman.

 

Tebow has the second highest QB rating in the nation this year. He's thrown four fewer TD passes than Chase Daniel despite attempting 156 fewer passes. He has the highest yards-per-attempt average in the nation.

 

Like I said, McFadden is a very good running back, I don't think he's Heisman-worthy.

[Mephistopheles]

Tebow is good because this is college football (which is what the Heisman rewards). No NFL team will run that many QB draws, and if he tried on his own, he'd be broken in half by an NFL LB. But since it isn't the "predictor of who will be great in the NFL award", go ahead and give it to Tebow.

 

 

One thing to note is that he's currently the #2 rated passer in the country while playing a top five schedule. Obviously his legs help him in that department as well, but he's a naturally gifted passer on top of being a great power runner.

[Derwood]

Tebow is good because this is college football (which is what the Heisman rewards). No NFL team will run that many QB draws, and if he tried on his own, he'd be broken in half by an NFL LB. But since it isn't the "predictor of who will be great in the NFL award", go ahead and give it to Tebow.

 

 

One thing to note is that he's currently the #2 rated passer in the country while playing a top five schedule. Obviously his legs help him in that department as well, but he's a naturally gifted passer on top of being a great power runner.

 

no doubt, and the game-planning people have to do to stack the box against him running makes for more one-on-one matchups for his receivers. frankly, if Tebow wins i'd be fine with it, though i think McFadden is the better player long term

[cubsfan5150]

Tebow is an amazing player, but Florida would probably still be a contender if they had whoever else at QB. The only reason Arkansas wins a game is because McFadden.

 

The counterargument is that while yes, Florida would likely still be a contender if they had somebody else at QB, that guy still wouldn't be Tim Tebow. He is the only QB ever to run and throw for 20 TD's in a season. Never been done before.

That's because most teams have a running back that punches the ball in from short yardage. You don't think that Steve Young, Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick, etc. could have reached the 20/20 plateau if they were given the ball pretty much every time their team got inside the 5 yard line?

 

Bingo, it's not like Tebow has huge rushing games or anything. The guy only averages 4.1 YPC. Pat White could do far more on the ground than Tebow does if he didn't have Slaton and the new freshman back in the backfield. Tebow's good but there are four or five QB's out there that I would take over him, where as there isn't another player in the nation that I would take over DMac.

 

McFadden is also helped out immensely by the fact that he has Felix Jones with him in the backfield who is averaging a measly 9.1 yards per carry. Add to the fact that QB is a much harder position to play and is a much more important position to the team and that's why a RB has to have a season that's amazing to beat a QB for the Heisman.

 

I don't think McFadden is Adrian Peterson and even AD didn't win the Heisman.

 

Tebow has the second highest QB rating in the nation this year. He's thrown four fewer TD passes than Chase Daniel despite attempting 156 fewer passes. He has the highest yards-per-attempt average in the nation.

 

Like I said, McFadden is a very good running back, I don't think he's Heisman-worthy.

 

DMac vs. AD

 

DMac...

 

 

YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG LNG TD

2005 ARK 176 1113 6.3 70 11

2006 ARK 284 1647 5.8 80 14

2007 ARK 304 1725 5.7 80 15

 

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RSH YD TD | REC YD TD |

+-----------------------------+----+--------------------+--------------+-------------+

| 2004 Oklahoma | 13 | | 339 1925 15 | 5 12 |

| 2005 Oklahoma | 11 | | 220 1108 14 | 9 50 |

| 2006 Oklahoma | 7 | | 188 1012 12 | 10 136 1

 

And there is no doubt that the SEC has been better than the Big 12 over the past several years.

[Guest]

Peterson was injured the last two years which is why his stats aren't as good.

 

Peterson ran for 1925 yards as a true freshman. McFadden ran for 1113 as a freshman.