The Giants are Unbelievable

[USSoccer]

 

Thing about Colletti is he appears to be regretting the Pierre contract. He supposedly wants to make a run at Andruw Jones. If he moves Kemp and Loney it's not unlikely he'll try to package them with Pierre, since it's the only way to make Pierre disappear without eating a big part of the $36.5M he's owed. Unfortunately Pierre is a type of player that Hendry actually values, so he might do a deal. This would put Pie on the trading block.

 

Hmmm...

 

If LA ate half of Pierre's contract, would you take him if you got Kemp and Loney for Lee? Then spin Pie along with others to try for Cabrera or Tejada?

 

I hate me some Pierre, but if getting him meant getting Kemp and Loney, I might...

[frostwyrm]

Lee is more expendable than Aramis. If you're going to trade one, trade Lee to LA for Kemp AND Loney.

 

Fixed.

 

I agree 100%.

 

That really is a move that needs to be explored. If Colletti is serious about adding veterans, then we need to assist him in adding them, especially if he's willing to dump on Kemp and Loney.

 

I'd trade Lee and Marmol for both, honestly.

 

Thing about Colletti is he appears to be regretting the Pierre contract. He supposedly wants to make a run at Andruw Jones. If he moves Kemp and Loney it's not unlikely he'll try to package them with Pierre, since it's the only way to make Pierre disappear without eating a big part of the $36.5M he's owed. Unfortunately Pierre is a type of player that Hendry actually values, so he might do a deal. This would put Pie on the trading block.

 

I'm fairly certain Hendry learned his lesson on Pierre. Maybe not about overvaluing stupid things, but about Juan Pierre in particular. It seemed pretty clear he was ready to let him walk and didn't miss him.

 

I don't think so. Hendry had a perfect chance to trade Pierre in July 2006 while he was riding a big hot streak but Hendry chose not to because he wanted to extend Pierre. Then in the offseason the market went totally insane and Hendry decided Pierre's price had become too high, especially with Pie waiting in the wings. I'm sure Hendry still considers Pierre a good but expensive player. Getting talent of the Kemp/Loney caliber might make him amenable to doing a deal. If I were Colletti I would certainly get on the phone with Hendry and discuss this.

[Guest]

 

Thing about Colletti is he appears to be regretting the Pierre contract. He supposedly wants to make a run at Andruw Jones. If he moves Kemp and Loney it's not unlikely he'll try to package them with Pierre, since it's the only way to make Pierre disappear without eating a big part of the $36.5M he's owed. Unfortunately Pierre is a type of player that Hendry actually values, so he might do a deal. This would put Pie on the trading block.

 

Hmmm...

 

If LA ate half of Pierre's contract, would you take him if you got Kemp and Loney for Lee? Then spin Pie along with others to try for Cabrera or Tejada?

 

I hate me some Pierre, but if getting him meant getting Kemp and Loney, I might...

 

God that is a really, REALLY touch choice.

[nilodnayr]

Lee is more expendable than Aramis. If you're going to trade one, trade Lee to LA for Kemp AND Loney.

 

Fixed.

 

I agree 100%.

 

That really is a move that needs to be explored. If Colletti is serious about adding veterans, then we need to assist him in adding them, especially if he's willing to dump on Kemp and Loney.

 

I'd trade Lee and Marmol for both, honestly.

 

Thing about Colletti is he appears to be regretting the Pierre contract. He supposedly wants to make a run at Andruw Jones. If he moves Kemp and Loney it's not unlikely he'll try to package them with Pierre, since it's the only way to make Pierre disappear without eating a big part of the $36.5M he's owed. Unfortunately Pierre is a type of player that Hendry actually values, so he might do a deal. This would put Pie on the trading block.

 

Coletti should trade Pierre and Nomar to Cinci for Dunn and EE. He should probably throw in Beimel for good measure and try to get Hatteberg to back up Loney.

[frostwyrm]

 

Thing about Colletti is he appears to be regretting the Pierre contract. He supposedly wants to make a run at Andruw Jones. If he moves Kemp and Loney it's not unlikely he'll try to package them with Pierre, since it's the only way to make Pierre disappear without eating a big part of the $36.5M he's owed. Unfortunately Pierre is a type of player that Hendry actually values, so he might do a deal. This would put Pie on the trading block.

 

Hmmm...

 

If LA ate half of Pierre's contract, would you take him if you got Kemp and Loney for Lee? Then spin Pie along with others to try for Cabrera or Tejada?

 

I hate me some Pierre, but if getting him meant getting Kemp and Loney, I might...

 

God that is a really, REALLY touch choice.

 

Jimbo would take that deal in a hearbeat, but I don't think LA would have to eat ANY of Pierre's contract. He'd get Lee's salary off the books, get a good(in his eyes) leadoff/CF, and Kemp/Loney. Done deal.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

If LA ate half of Pierre's contract, would you take him if you got Kemp and Loney for Lee? Then spin Pie along with others to try for Cabrera or Tejada?

 

Abso-stinkin-lutely. I'd welcome 4-3 back with open arms.

[USSoccer]

If LA ate half of Pierre's contract, would you take him if you got Kemp and Loney for Lee? Then spin Pie along with others to try for Cabrera or Tejada?

 

Abso-stinkin-lutely. I'd welcome 4-3 back with open arms.

 

That's kind of how I feel as well. The good outweighs the suck.

[frostwyrm]

If LA ate half of Pierre's contract, would you take him if you got Kemp and Loney for Lee? Then spin Pie along with others to try for Cabrera or Tejada?

 

Abso-stinkin-lutely. I'd welcome 4-3 back with open arms.

 

I agree. It would be a good deal for the Cubs, but I really really doubt Ned would need to eat any of Pierre's contract to get Jimbo or most other GM's to pull the trigger if Kemp/Loney are part of the deal.

[CuseCubFan69]

Is it me or does there seem to be a lot of options out there to improve the Cubs?

[sethuel1]

Is it me or does there seem to be a lot of options out there to improve the Cubs?

There are. However, I have little faith in any of them coming to fruition.

[Burtonbell]

Lee, Marquis, Patterson and/or prostect for Loney, Kemp, and Pierre

 

Pie, Kemp, Gallagher (and/or prospect) for Bedard & Tejada

 

Murton, Veal, Marshall for Crawford

 

Crawford LF

Loney 1B

Aram 3b

Tejada SS

Soriano RF

Derosa 2B

Pierre CF

Soto C

 

Z

Bedard

Lilly

Hill

Prior/Woody/free agent/etc.

 

 

---Or----

Keep Kemp:

 

Soriano LF

Kemp RF

Loney 1B

Aram 3B

Tejada SS

Derosa 2B

Pierre CF

Soto C

 

Z

Bedard

Lilly

Hill

Marshall

 

I dont know what the financials would be, but that would be some crazy offseason!

[Guest]

I was going to suggest you take Pierre and ship him to Cincinnati.

[CuseCubFan69]

I was going to suggest you take Pierre and ship him to Cincinnati.

 

Dude plays everyday and never strikes out.

[JimSorgi]

Lee, Marquis, Patterson and/or prostect for Loney, Kemp, and Pierre

 

Pie, Kemp, Gallagher (and/or prospect) for Bedard & Tejada

 

Murton, Veal, Marshall for Crawford

 

Crawford LF

Loney 1B

Aram 3b

Tejada SS

Soriano RF

Derosa 2B

Pierre CF

Soto C

 

Z

Bedard

Lilly

Hill

Prior/Woody/free agent/etc.

 

 

---Or----

Keep Kemp:

 

Soriano LF

Kemp RF

Loney 1B

Aram 3B

Tejada SS

Derosa 2B

Pierre CF

Soto C

 

Z

Bedard

Lilly

Hill

Marshall

 

I dont know what the financials would be, but that would be some crazy offseason!

I could live with that team. But why would Pierre bat ahead of Soto?

[danonwaveland]

Speculation like this reminds me that it's a bad idea to give players -- like DLee and ARam -- no-trade clauses. (Although I suppose they demanded it as part of their contracts.) And, in most cases, once you approach a player about waiving the no-trade clause, their "feelings get hurt" and you have a problem on your hands if you don't consumate the trade.

 

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[Guest]

 

Thing about Colletti is he appears to be regretting the Pierre contract. He supposedly wants to make a run at Andruw Jones. If he moves Kemp and Loney it's not unlikely he'll try to package them with Pierre, since it's the only way to make Pierre disappear without eating a big part of the $36.5M he's owed. Unfortunately Pierre is a type of player that Hendry actually values, so he might do a deal. This would put Pie on the trading block.

 

Hmmm...

 

If LA ate half of Pierre's contract, would you take him if you got Kemp and Loney for Lee? Then spin Pie along with others to try for Cabrera or Tejada?

 

I hate me some Pierre, but if getting him meant getting Kemp and Loney, I might...

 

2 Soto

3 Loney

4 DeRosa

5 Ramirez

6 Tejada

7 Soriano

8 Pierre (Kemp against a lefty with Murton in RF)

9 Kemp

 

I'm in. Just make sure 4-3 is batting 8th, not leadoff.

[Burtonbell]

I could live with that team. But why would Pierre bat ahead of Soto?

 

So when that rare time Pierre gets on and steals a base, Soto can drive him in. I just can't think of any other place to put him to be honest.

 

Batting him 8th makes some sense so that when he steals a base, the pitcher can bunt him over to third for Crawford, Loney, and the rest.

 

If we can spin Pierre off to someone else, that would be ideal. I would rather have Kemp than Crawford, IMO. I was just thinking out loud.

[UK1679666180]

It's just an internet rumor that I doubt has much validity, but if he was, TB would be his best suitor.

[biittner77]

If the Cubs were to reacquire Pierre we should no longer refer to him as 43 but Juan for 5 which is his new Dodgers nickname.

 

If Hendry traded for Pierre, he could then flip Pierre to another team looking for that leadoff/ CF guy that so many teams seem to covet. Also, as a FA traded in the middle of a multi year contract Pierre could void his contract or demand to be traded couldn't he?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Bringing back this thread for an idea. What if we inserted ourselves in a deal to send Cabrera to the Giants, with us netting Lincecum? If we were to get Kaz and Kosuke I think that'd make for a nice offseason.

[SouthSideRyan]

Thing about Colletti is he appears to be regretting the Pierre contract. He supposedly wants to make a run at Andruw Jones. If he moves Kemp and Loney it's not unlikely he'll try to package them with Pierre, since it's the only way to make Pierre disappear without eating a big part of the $36.5M he's owed. Unfortunately Pierre is a type of player that Hendry actually values, so he might do a deal. This would put Pie on the trading block.

 

Come on now. I'm no Hendry supporter, but there's no way Hendry trades for Pierre. How did Coletti learn his lesson on Pierre because he wants to sign another CF(moving Pierre to LF is rumored), but Hendry didn't learn his lesson by not offering the insane contract that one Ned Coletti offered him? I don't remember much in terms of rumors around Hendry/Pierre last offseason, I seem to remember 3/18 speculated, but I don't know if that was ever even close to confirmed as rumor. Pierre will never again be a Cub.

[BigbadB]

Bringing back this thread for an idea. What if we inserted ourselves in a deal to send Cabrera to the Giants, with us netting Lincecum? If we were to get Kaz and Kosuke I think that'd make for a nice offseason.

 

Not sure how a 3 way deal could be worked where the Marlins lose Cabrera and the biggest prize prospect of the other two teams in the deal goes to the Cubs rather than the Marlins. Highly unlikely.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Bringing back this thread for an idea. What if we inserted ourselves in a deal to send Cabrera to the Giants, with us netting Lincecum? If we were to get Kaz and Kosuke I think that'd make for a nice offseason.

 

Not sure how a 3 way deal could be worked where the Marlins lose Cabrera and the biggest prize prospect of the other two teams in the deal goes to the Cubs rather than the Marlins. Highly unlikely.

 

Why? The Marlins want quantities of young players they can afford. Would they take Pie, Marshall, Brian Wilson, Nick Pereira and Gallagher/Veal/Samardzija for Cabrera? The Giants give up Lincecum, Wilson, and Pereira for Cabrera, and we give up Pie, Marshall, and Gallagher/Veal/Samardzija for Lincecum.

[nilodnayr]

Bringing back this thread for an idea. What if we inserted ourselves in a deal to send Cabrera to the Giants, with us netting Lincecum? If we were to get Kaz and Kosuke I think that'd make for a nice offseason.

 

Not sure how a 3 way deal could be worked where the Marlins lose Cabrera and the biggest prize prospect of the other two teams in the deal goes to the Cubs rather than the Marlins. Highly unlikely.

 

Why? The Marlins want quantities of young players they can afford. Would they take Pie, Marshall, Brian Wilson, Nick Pereira and Gallagher/Veal/Samardzija for Cabrera? The Giants give up Lincecum, Wilson, and Pereira for Cabrera, and we give up Pie, Marshall, and Gallagher/Veal/Samardzija for Lincecum.

 

Starting pitching, 3B, catching, CF....these are the marlins desires. We don't match up that great.

[Tracer Bullet]

If LA ate half of Pierre's contract, would you take him if you got Kemp and Loney for Lee? Then spin Pie along with others to try for Cabrera or Tejada?

 

Abso-stinkin-lutely. I'd welcome 4-3 back with open arms.

 

I agree, with 1 caveat. Someone has to stand next to Lou with a gun to his head. If he ever makes JP the starter and leadoff or #2 hitter, you pull the trigger, no questions asked.