College Basketball 2007-2008

[UK1679666180]

College coaching is where Skiles will excel, he would make an excellent hire.

[Exile on Waveland]

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If true, bwahahahahahahahahaha.

 

that is all sorts of awesome. Skiles? SCOTT SKILES?

 

Skiles would be a great hire.

 

due to what?

 

He's a very good X & O guy. He's got deep ties to the Midwest. He's coming off a successful stint for one of the NBA's marquee jobs. He's from Indiana and won a state championship. His NBA pedigree would get him respect among recruits, his Indiana background would get him respect among HS coaches. He lives/lived in Bloomington. As a hard-nosed, disciplinarian, Skiles was meant to coach college.

 

I seriously doubt this happens as it would require creativity and foresight, both of which IU's administration has lacked.

 

i think "hard-nosed, coaches the right way" is as overrated in college coaches as it is in short stops, but that's just me

 

Well, you can certainly be successful many different ways. However, it is much harder to be successful in the NBA with that style; that was my point. Regardless, IU's fan base has been begging for a "hard-nosed, coaches the right way" leader for eight years.

 

i think IU fans just want a winner. if Mike Davis had won 20 games a year he'd still be there

 

Davis averaged over 19 wins a year. He was still disliked by a gross majority of the fan base, and one more win a year wouldn't have changed that. Winning is but one fact, especially for Indiana fans after 29 years of Coach Knight. Sampson is winning but most want him gone. Davis's problems ran much deeper than wins-losses (though he had issues there, too).

[Exile on Waveland]

skiles would be an excellent hire, in the mold of a bobby knight. he'd fit right in in bloomington.

 

i always thought that he'd make a great college coach, although if iu hires him, i hope he's too good.

 

I always thought he'd make for a good college coach as well, but he's going to be immediately thrown in the fire if this is true. Not quite sure if this guy is going to be ready to do that.

 

Well, having never recruited, IU's compliance department would again be called on to do its job. Hopefully better this time. But I can pretty much assure you that Skiles doesn't give two craps about the fire. That's why he's perfect.

[jaydee]

skiles has never really been a very successful coach anywhere. all hes done is take good nba teams and get them to perform as they should or underachieve a little.

[Sosa21MVP]

Davis averaged over 19 wins a year. He was still disliked by a gross majority of the fan base, and one more win a year wouldn't have changed that. Winning is but one fact, especially for Indiana fans after 29 years of Coach Knight. Sampson is winning but most want him gone. Davis's problems ran much deeper than wins-losses (though he had issues there, too).

 

He only averaged 16 wins per season in his final 3 years, that is what did him in. Including a two year stretch of 29-29 where IU missed the NCAA tourney for the first time since 1985. Those mediocre seasons combined with sticking his foot in his mouth at every available opportunity was the main thing.

[Sosa21MVP]

skiles would be an excellent hire, in the mold of a bobby knight. he'd fit right in in bloomington.

 

i always thought that he'd make a great college coach, although if iu hires him, i hope he's too good.

 

I agree.

[Exile on Waveland]

Davis averaged over 19 wins a year. He was still disliked by a gross majority of the fan base, and one more win a year wouldn't have changed that. Winning is but one fact, especially for Indiana fans after 29 years of Coach Knight. Sampson is winning but most want him gone. Davis's problems ran much deeper than wins-losses (though he had issues there, too).

 

He only averaged 16 wins per season in his final 3 years, that is what did him in. Including a two year stretch of 29-29 where IU missed the NCAA tourney for the first time since 1985. Those mediocre seasons combined with sticking his foot in his mouth at every available opportunity was the main thing.

 

Yes, I know. I was just pointing out that he nearly did average 20 wins a year during his tenure. His last three and a half years of 13-13, 14-15, 15-14 and 19-12 were unacceptable, of course. It wasn't simply wins that cost Davis his job.

[Guest]

Oh yeah, when will people start to include Jerryd Bayless in the "Beasley, Rose, Gordon, Mayo" foursome? Three straight 30-point games? What a freshman class this is.

 

Hell, Bayless (and Harden) have been overshadowed by Love and Mayo in Pac-10 country and there's no reason they should be. Bayless was amazing yesterday, he didn't even miss a shot.

 

Oh, and I think Skiles would be great in college.

[illiniguy]

Oh yeah, when will people start to include Jerryd Bayless in the "Beasley, Rose, Gordon, Mayo" foursome? Three straight 30-point games? What a freshman class this is.

 

Hell, Bayless (and Harden) have been overshadowed by Love and Mayo in Pac-10 country and there's no reason they should be. Bayless was amazing yesterday, he didn't even miss a shot.

 

Oh, and I think Skiles would be great in college.

We played both teams. I thought Bayless was a lot better than Harden. Although it was Harden's first college game.

[Keener98]

skiles has never really been a very successful coach anywhere. all hes done is take good nba teams and get them to perform as they should or underachieve a little.

 

 

Thats not true at all. He took over a pathetic Bulls team and helped lead them to a playoff series win last year. Skiles will be a great hire for IU

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yesterday was the first time I've seen Harden play, and he looked like an overzealous guy in a pickup game. Everytime he did something it seemed like it was out of sync with the offense, whether it was penetrating to the foul line before losing the ball or passing, or chucking threes from a standstill.

[illiniguy]

skiles has never really been a very successful coach anywhere. all hes done is take good nba teams and get them to perform as they should or underachieve a little.

 

 

Thats not true at all. He took over a pathetic Bulls team and helped lead them to a playoff series win last year. Skiles will be a great hire for IU

Skiles is perfect for college, by the time he wears thin on his players they will be ready to graduate. That has always been his problem. He does well for awhile, then his players get sick of his in your face style. College will eliminate a lot of that.

[Derwood]

skiles has never really been a very successful coach anywhere. all hes done is take good nba teams and get them to perform as they should or underachieve a little.

 

 

Thats not true at all. He took over a pathetic Bulls team and helped lead them to a playoff series win last year. Skiles will be a great hire for IU

Skiles is perfect for college, by the time he wears thin on his players they will be ready to graduate. That has always been his problem. He does well for awhile, then his players get sick of his in your face style. College will eliminate a lot of that.

 

but can he recruit? that's not given, regardless of his ties to Indiana

[illiniguy]

skiles has never really been a very successful coach anywhere. all hes done is take good nba teams and get them to perform as they should or underachieve a little.

 

 

Thats not true at all. He took over a pathetic Bulls team and helped lead them to a playoff series win last year. Skiles will be a great hire for IU

Skiles is perfect for college, by the time he wears thin on his players they will be ready to graduate. That has always been his problem. He does well for awhile, then his players get sick of his in your face style. College will eliminate a lot of that.

 

but can he recruit? that's not given, regardless of his ties to Indiana

I would think the combination of IU and the fact he coached in the NBA(like Cal at Memphis) would be enough to recruit.

[Derwood]

skiles has never really been a very successful coach anywhere. all hes done is take good nba teams and get them to perform as they should or underachieve a little.

 

 

Thats not true at all. He took over a pathetic Bulls team and helped lead them to a playoff series win last year. Skiles will be a great hire for IU

Skiles is perfect for college, by the time he wears thin on his players they will be ready to graduate. That has always been his problem. He does well for awhile, then his players get sick of his in your face style. College will eliminate a lot of that.

 

but can he recruit? that's not given, regardless of his ties to Indiana

I would think the combination of IU and the fact he coached in the NBA(like Cal at Memphis) would be enough to recruit.

 

well, we'll see. they could certainly do worse.

[Exile on Waveland]

skiles has never really been a very successful coach anywhere. all hes done is take good nba teams and get them to perform as they should or underachieve a little.

 

Skiles hasn't been successful? I don't agree with that at all. In Phoenix he went 40-22, 51-31 then 25-26. They were 27-23 the year before he was hired and 13-7 when he was hired. After he was fired they went 11-20, 44-38 and 29-53. Chicago had been awful for five and a half years before he got there. He went 19-47, then 47-35, 41-41 and 49-33 before this year's poor 9-16 start that got him fired. Both coaching stops he promptly improved the team, and in Phoenix the team dipped after he left (before, of course, the Steve Nash signing). Chicago is 12-15 by my count post-Skiles.

 

It seems he wears out his welcome quickly. That, however, is not surprising for any NBA coach, much less a hard-nose like Skiles. It's also less of a concern in college, where players are only there for a few years and they're not millionaires.

[Exile on Waveland]

skiles has never really been a very successful coach anywhere. all hes done is take good nba teams and get them to perform as they should or underachieve a little.

 

 

Thats not true at all. He took over a pathetic Bulls team and helped lead them to a playoff series win last year. Skiles will be a great hire for IU

Skiles is perfect for college, by the time he wears thin on his players they will be ready to graduate. That has always been his problem. He does well for awhile, then his players get sick of his in your face style. College will eliminate a lot of that.

 

but can he recruit? that's not given, regardless of his ties to Indiana

I would think the combination of IU and the fact he coached in the NBA(like Cal at Memphis) would be enough to recruit.

 

It is perhaps a gamble, but, for the reasons you gave, a good gamble in my estimation. IU is a pretty easy place to recruit for basketball, much less when being led by an Indiana-born coach with NBA head coaching experience. Honestly, recruiting is down the list of things I'd look for in IU's next coach.

[Keener98]

skiles has never really been a very successful coach anywhere. all hes done is take good nba teams and get them to perform as they should or underachieve a little.

 

Skiles hasn't been successful? I don't agree with that at all. In Phoenix he went 40-22, 51-31 then 25-26. They were 27-23 the year before he was hired and 13-7 when he was hired. After he was fired they went 11-20, 44-38 and 29-53. Chicago had been awful for five and a half years before he got there. He went 19-47, then 47-35, 41-41 and 49-33 before this year's poor 9-16 start that got him fired. Both coaching stops he promptly improved the team, and in Phoenix the team dipped after he left (before, of course, the Steve Nash signing). Chicago is 12-15 by my count post-Skiles.

 

It seems he wears out his welcome quickly. That, however, is not surprising for any NBA coach, much less a hard-nose like Skiles. It's also less of a concern in college, where players are only there for a few years and they're not millionaires.

 

 

Exactly. Skiles biggest downfall in the NBA is that NBA stars dont like his hard ass style. His teams have alwasy been known for busting their ass, and playing great defense. That style will work with college age kids, but NBA egomaniac prima donas dont like it. I know as a Illini fan, i really hope this isnt true, because I dont look forward to having to play a Skiles team who busts their ass, and plays great d.

[Derwood]

skiles made some awful decisions when it came to lineups and playing time for his players on the Bulls this year.

[Exile on Waveland]

skiles has never really been a very successful coach anywhere. all hes done is take good nba teams and get them to perform as they should or underachieve a little.

 

Skiles hasn't been successful? I don't agree with that at all. In Phoenix he went 40-22, 51-31 then 25-26. They were 27-23 the year before he was hired and 13-7 when he was hired. After he was fired they went 11-20, 44-38 and 29-53. Chicago had been awful for five and a half years before he got there. He went 19-47, then 47-35, 41-41 and 49-33 before this year's poor 9-16 start that got him fired. Both coaching stops he promptly improved the team, and in Phoenix the team dipped after he left (before, of course, the Steve Nash signing). Chicago is 12-15 by my count post-Skiles.

 

It seems he wears out his welcome quickly. That, however, is not surprising for any NBA coach, much less a hard-nose like Skiles. It's also less of a concern in college, where players are only there for a few years and they're not millionaires.

 

 

Exactly. Skiles biggest downfall in the NBA is that NBA stars dont like his hard ass style. His teams have alwasy been known for busting their ass, and playing great defense. That style will work with college age kids, but NBA egomaniac prima donas dont like it. I know as a Illini fan, i really hope this isnt true, because I dont look forward to having to play a Skiles team who busts their ass, and plays great d.

 

Hard-ass is the best way to describe him. I used hard-nosed because I wasn't sure about using "ass" on the board. Skiles is so perfect for IU (thought so two years ago), I can only hope the administration isn't too myopic. Don't worry though, they will be.

[Derwood]

skiles has never really been a very successful coach anywhere. all hes done is take good nba teams and get them to perform as they should or underachieve a little.

 

Skiles hasn't been successful? I don't agree with that at all. In Phoenix he went 40-22, 51-31 then 25-26. They were 27-23 the year before he was hired and 13-7 when he was hired. After he was fired they went 11-20, 44-38 and 29-53. Chicago had been awful for five and a half years before he got there. He went 19-47, then 47-35, 41-41 and 49-33 before this year's poor 9-16 start that got him fired. Both coaching stops he promptly improved the team, and in Phoenix the team dipped after he left (before, of course, the Steve Nash signing). Chicago is 12-15 by my count post-Skiles.

 

It seems he wears out his welcome quickly. That, however, is not surprising for any NBA coach, much less a hard-nose like Skiles. It's also less of a concern in college, where players are only there for a few years and they're not millionaires.

 

 

Exactly. Skiles biggest downfall in the NBA is that NBA stars dont like his hard ass style. His teams have alwasy been known for busting their ass, and playing great defense. That style will work with college age kids, but NBA egomaniac prima donas dont like it. I know as a Illini fan, i really hope this isnt true, because I dont look forward to having to play a Skiles team who busts their ass, and plays great d.

 

Hard-ass is the best way to describe him. I used hard-nosed because I wasn't sure about using "ass" on the board. Skiles is so perfect for IU (thought so two years ago), I can only hope the administration isn't too myopic. Don't worry though, they will be.

 

Skiles being a hard-ass is good for the program or good for IU fans? big difference.

[Keener98]

skiles made some awful decisions when it came to lineups and playing time for his players on the Bulls this year.

 

Skiles was grasping for straws to try and find 5 players who would play hard. The team underperformed this year and they quit on Skiles, and were worrying about their own agendas(contracts etc...) Skiles deserves very little blame for the Bulls season, but something had to be done, and in the NBA, its always the coach who feels it.

[Exile on Waveland]

skiles has never really been a very successful coach anywhere. all hes done is take good nba teams and get them to perform as they should or underachieve a little.

 

Skiles hasn't been successful? I don't agree with that at all. In Phoenix he went 40-22, 51-31 then 25-26. They were 27-23 the year before he was hired and 13-7 when he was hired. After he was fired they went 11-20, 44-38 and 29-53. Chicago had been awful for five and a half years before he got there. He went 19-47, then 47-35, 41-41 and 49-33 before this year's poor 9-16 start that got him fired. Both coaching stops he promptly improved the team, and in Phoenix the team dipped after he left (before, of course, the Steve Nash signing). Chicago is 12-15 by my count post-Skiles.

 

It seems he wears out his welcome quickly. That, however, is not surprising for any NBA coach, much less a hard-nose like Skiles. It's also less of a concern in college, where players are only there for a few years and they're not millionaires.

 

 

Exactly. Skiles biggest downfall in the NBA is that NBA stars dont like his hard ass style. His teams have alwasy been known for busting their ass, and playing great defense. That style will work with college age kids, but NBA egomaniac prima donas dont like it. I know as a Illini fan, i really hope this isnt true, because I dont look forward to having to play a Skiles team who busts their ass, and plays great d.

 

Hard-ass is the best way to describe him. I used hard-nosed because I wasn't sure about using "ass" on the board. Skiles is so perfect for IU (thought so two years ago), I can only hope the administration isn't too myopic. Don't worry though, they will be.

 

Skiles being a hard-ass is good for the program or good for IU fans? big difference.

 

Agree it's a big difference, but I think the answer to your question is both. Davis's tenure was mired by lack of discipline on the court; while Sampson's tenure has been mired by lack of discipline off the court. We have no idea if Skiles would be a stickler for rules, though I think he would be. Discipline, and hard-assness, is needed for this program on and off the court.

[illiniguy]

skiles made some awful decisions when it came to lineups and playing time for his players on the Bulls this year.

 

Skiles was grasping for straws to try and find 5 players who would play hard. The team underperformed this year and they quit on Skiles, and were worrying about their own agendas(contracts etc...) Skiles deserves very little blame for the Bulls season, but something had to be done, and in the NBA, its always the coach who feels it.

Wait it wasn't Skiles' fault that Paxson screwed up every draft he had a part in?

[hawkeyecub]

I think Skiles would be a very good college coach and IU would be a great fit. I highly doubt recruiting would be an issue. IU is a name brand and he has recognition from the NBA.

I would much rather see them listen to Pat Knight's recommendation.