College Basketball 2007-2008

[Derwood]

i was surprised to hear the Gameday guys say that Ohio St. was "out" of the tourney. 16-7 (8-4) and a 37 RPI = out? tough crowd

[Flames24Rulz]

Drake defeates Northern Iowa to wrap up the MVC Regular Season crown.

 

Illinois State and Creighton both lost, so if SIU can defeat Wichita State on the road tonight, we'll only be 1 game behind ISU for 2nd in the Valley and we'll be a game up on 4th place. Please, for the love of God, win a roadie tonight

[Butterscup1679666578]

Mizzou @ KSU tonight. It'd be cool to sweep the season series. We'll lose by 18.

[illiniguy]

You'd think a run to the Elite 8 would be enough to stop the KU first round talk. :shrug:

 

 

Self needs a FF to shut people up. It's that simple. (But then it will be NC choker talk.) It may not be fair, but that's the way it is, and he isn't the first coach to go through it. Dean, Lute, Donavan, and Roy were all labeled as chokers. It's just the way it works.

 

Those guys, however, had the ability to coach their way out of a wet paper bag. Self, not so much. One of the worst in game coaches I've ever seen. And I'm an Illini fan who thought that when he was here. I harbor no ill will toward Kansas for taking him because, while in the short run Illinois may struggle, the players that do come here will get the most out of their talent as opposed to floundering in the hi-low under Self. And Illinois will be good again and in the tourney next year anyway.

 

if he's bad, how come his teams are near the top in defensive and offensive efficiency? People who badmouth his coaching never have any concrete criticism other than his team lost XXX game. It's silly. I mean, you're sitting there talking about the hi-lo, and we don't even run the hi-lo as a primary offense. But Illini fans talk like that's all he does.

 

Self is not a top-5 coach. I'll admit that. But he is one of the premier coaches in college hoops. You don't win as much as he does if you're not. And don't throw the talent thing out there, because he coached ORU out of the depths, and he won with mid-major talent at Tulsa, too.

 

I've only seen one poorly coached team by Self, and that was the Bucknell/KU team.

The big reason Self looks good is because his teams are more talented than about 90 percent of the teams they play. That's why his numbers will always be really pretty. However, when he plays one of those other teams, usually around the elite eight, he is going to be exposed. He is terrible at in game adjustments. I am still waiting for us to adjust and take away the three against Notre Dame.

 

eh, I won't bother arguing it anymore. Your coach has been starting chet frazier over mccamey all year. I think know who's better.

Awesome response. At what point have I done anything but blast Weber this year? Especially when it comes to that decision. Although your coach starts Russell Robinson over a much more talented Sherron Collins. Oh and Weber has coached a team to the grandest stage of college basketball and built a program. Which one of those has the great Bill Self done again? Please say Tulsa.

[TruffleShuffle]

so who else is watching holy cross against bucknell on espn2 at 6:00 this evening????

 

[snoodmonger]

You'd think a run to the Elite 8 would be enough to stop the KU first round talk. :shrug:

 

 

Self needs a FF to shut people up. It's that simple. (But then it will be NC choker talk.) It may not be fair, but that's the way it is, and he isn't the first coach to go through it. Dean, Lute, Donavan, and Roy were all labeled as chokers. It's just the way it works.

 

Those guys, however, had the ability to coach their way out of a wet paper bag. Self, not so much. One of the worst in game coaches I've ever seen. And I'm an Illini fan who thought that when he was here. I harbor no ill will toward Kansas for taking him because, while in the short run Illinois may struggle, the players that do come here will get the most out of their talent as opposed to floundering in the hi-low under Self. And Illinois will be good again and in the tourney next year anyway.

 

if he's bad, how come his teams are near the top in defensive and offensive efficiency? People who badmouth his coaching never have any concrete criticism other than his team lost XXX game. It's silly. I mean, you're sitting there talking about the hi-lo, and we don't even run the hi-lo as a primary offense. But Illini fans talk like that's all he does.

 

Self is not a top-5 coach. I'll admit that. But he is one of the premier coaches in college hoops. You don't win as much as he does if you're not. And don't throw the talent thing out there, because he coached ORU out of the depths, and he won with mid-major talent at Tulsa, too.

 

I've only seen one poorly coached team by Self, and that was the Bucknell/KU team.

The big reason Self looks good is because his teams are more talented than about 90 percent of the teams they play. That's why his numbers will always be really pretty. However, when he plays one of those other teams, usually around the elite eight, he is going to be exposed. He is terrible at in game adjustments. I am still waiting for us to adjust and take away the three against Notre Dame.

 

eh, I won't bother arguing it anymore. Your coach has been starting chet frazier over mccamey all year. I think know who's better.

Awesome response. At what point have I done anything but blast Weber this year? Especially when it comes to that decision. Although your coach starts Russell Robinson over a much more talented Sherron Collins. Oh and Weber has coached a team to the grandest stage of college basketball and built a program. Which one of those has the great Bill Self done again? Please say Tulsa.

 

Big deal. Lots of mediocre coaches have "coached on the grandest stage." Probably just as many as have turned a NC contender into a bottom dweller in a terrible conference. And who have overseen a program where one player left another for dead.

 

No, Self has never "built a program." He's never had to. Doesn't mean he couldn't.

 

At least Self has a rationale for starting Robinson. (Team leader, better defender). ANd at least he tries to conform his offense to his players, unlike Bruce "I'm gonna run this guard oriented motion offense despite my guards' mediocrity" Weber.

 

This argument is pointless, though. You're happy with Bruce and all his flaws. I'm happy with Self and his.

[illiniguy]

You'd think a run to the Elite 8 would be enough to stop the KU first round talk. :shrug:

 

 

Self needs a FF to shut people up. It's that simple. (But then it will be NC choker talk.) It may not be fair, but that's the way it is, and he isn't the first coach to go through it. Dean, Lute, Donavan, and Roy were all labeled as chokers. It's just the way it works.

 

Those guys, however, had the ability to coach their way out of a wet paper bag. Self, not so much. One of the worst in game coaches I've ever seen. And I'm an Illini fan who thought that when he was here. I harbor no ill will toward Kansas for taking him because, while in the short run Illinois may struggle, the players that do come here will get the most out of their talent as opposed to floundering in the hi-low under Self. And Illinois will be good again and in the tourney next year anyway.

 

if he's bad, how come his teams are near the top in defensive and offensive efficiency? People who badmouth his coaching never have any concrete criticism other than his team lost XXX game. It's silly. I mean, you're sitting there talking about the hi-lo, and we don't even run the hi-lo as a primary offense. But Illini fans talk like that's all he does.

 

Self is not a top-5 coach. I'll admit that. But he is one of the premier coaches in college hoops. You don't win as much as he does if you're not. And don't throw the talent thing out there, because he coached ORU out of the depths, and he won with mid-major talent at Tulsa, too.

 

I've only seen one poorly coached team by Self, and that was the Bucknell/KU team.

The big reason Self looks good is because his teams are more talented than about 90 percent of the teams they play. That's why his numbers will always be really pretty. However, when he plays one of those other teams, usually around the elite eight, he is going to be exposed. He is terrible at in game adjustments. I am still waiting for us to adjust and take away the three against Notre Dame.

 

eh, I won't bother arguing it anymore. Your coach has been starting chet frazier over mccamey all year. I think know who's better.

Awesome response. At what point have I done anything but blast Weber this year? Especially when it comes to that decision. Although your coach starts Russell Robinson over a much more talented Sherron Collins. Oh and Weber has coached a team to the grandest stage of college basketball and built a program. Which one of those has the great Bill Self done again? Please say Tulsa.

 

Big deal. Lots of mediocre coaches have "coached on the grandest stage." Probably just as many as have turned a NC contender into a bottom dweller in a terrible conference. And who have overseen a program where one player left another for dead.

 

No, Self has never "built a program." He's never had to. Doesn't mean he couldn't.

 

At least Self has a rationale for starting Robinson. (Team leader, better defender). ANd at least he tries to conform his offense to his players, unlike Bruce "I'm gonna run this guard oriented motion offense despite my guards' mediocrity" Weber.

 

This argument is pointless, though. You're happy with Bruce and all his flaws. I'm happy with Self and his.

Right I guess Weber saying that he starts Frazier because he is our leader and best defender is somehow different from Self doing it. But since Weber doesn't coach at Kansas that makes him foolish. You play your best. Neither of these two clowns get that.

Also ask Jay Bilas about our terrible conference. 9 years in a row we have had a team in the final four. 9. Maybe the Big 12 should get a little more terrible. You realize that the Big 12 has less championships as a conference than IU does. Get the hell out of here with calling the Big 10 terrible. That might fly if you are the ACC or the Big East, but not when you are a fan of the pathetic Big 12.

[snoodmonger]

the big 10 is terrible this year. The Big XII's inability to win a title doesn't change that. Nor does the recent strength of the Big 10.

[tadowdaddy]

Mizzou @ KSU tonight. It'd be cool to sweep the season series. We'll lose by 18.

If we don't play any better than we have the last 3 games, you have a definite chance. God I hope Sutton and/or Gilbert is back tonight.

[illiniguy]

the big 10 is terrible this year. The Big XII's inability to win a title doesn't change that. Nor does the recent strength of the Big 10.

Recent? I thought we have sucked recently. You are grasping at straws. You have one great program and some decent ones. I like us to get more teams in the dance again than you guys again this year in our down year.

[Exile on Waveland]

You'd think a run to the Elite 8 would be enough to stop the KU first round talk. :shrug:

 

 

Self needs a FF to shut people up. It's that simple. (But then it will be NC choker talk.) It may not be fair, but that's the way it is, and he isn't the first coach to go through it. Dean, Lute, Donavan, and Roy were all labeled as chokers. It's just the way it works.

 

Those guys, however, had the ability to coach their way out of a wet paper bag. Self, not so much. One of the worst in game coaches I've ever seen. And I'm an Illini fan who thought that when he was here. I harbor no ill will toward Kansas for taking him because, while in the short run Illinois may struggle, the players that do come here will get the most out of their talent as opposed to floundering in the hi-low under Self. And Illinois will be good again and in the tourney next year anyway.

 

if he's bad, how come his teams are near the top in defensive and offensive efficiency? People who badmouth his coaching never have any concrete criticism other than his team lost XXX game. It's silly. I mean, you're sitting there talking about the hi-lo, and we don't even run the hi-lo as a primary offense. But Illini fans talk like that's all he does.

 

Self is not a top-5 coach. I'll admit that. But he is one of the premier coaches in college hoops. You don't win as much as he does if you're not. And don't throw the talent thing out there, because he coached ORU out of the depths, and he won with mid-major talent at Tulsa, too.

 

I've only seen one poorly coached team by Self, and that was the Bucknell/KU team.

The big reason Self looks good is because his teams are more talented than about 90 percent of the teams they play. That's why his numbers will always be really pretty. However, when he plays one of those other teams, usually around the elite eight, he is going to be exposed. He is terrible at in game adjustments. I am still waiting for us to adjust and take away the three against Notre Dame.

 

eh, I won't bother arguing it anymore. Your coach has been starting chet frazier over mccamey all year. I think know who's better.

Awesome response. At what point have I done anything but blast Weber this year? Especially when it comes to that decision. Although your coach starts Russell Robinson over a much more talented Sherron Collins. Oh and Weber has coached a team to the grandest stage of college basketball and built a program. Which one of those has the great Bill Self done again? Please say Tulsa.

 

Big deal. Lots of mediocre coaches have "coached on the grandest stage." Probably just as many as have turned a NC contender into a bottom dweller in a terrible conference. And who have overseen a program where one player left another for dead.

 

No, Self has never "built a program." He's never had to. Doesn't mean he couldn't.

 

At least Self has a rationale for starting Robinson. (Team leader, better defender). ANd at least he tries to conform his offense to his players, unlike Bruce "I'm gonna run this guard oriented motion offense despite my guards' mediocrity" Weber.

 

This argument is pointless, though. You're happy with Bruce and all his flaws. I'm happy with Self and his.

Right I guess Weber saying that he starts Frazier because he is our leader and best defender is somehow different from Self doing it. But since Weber doesn't coach at Kansas that makes him foolish. You play your best. Neither of these two clowns get that.

Also ask Jay Bilas about our terrible conference. 9 years in a row we have had a team in the final four. 9. Maybe the Big 12 should get a little more terrible. You realize that the Big 12 has less championships as a conference than IU does. Get the hell out of here with calling the Big 10 terrible. That might fly if you are the ACC or the Big East, but not when you are a fan of the pathetic Big 12.

 

I agree with what saying; however, Bilas was wrong. In 2006, no Big Ten teams made the final four (Florida, UCLA, LSU, George Mason). Nor did the 2003 or 2004 Final Fours. I think Bilas meant to say the Big Ten has sent nine teams to the last nine Final Fours.

[illiniguy]

You'd think a run to the Elite 8 would be enough to stop the KU first round talk. :shrug:

 

 

Self needs a FF to shut people up. It's that simple. (But then it will be NC choker talk.) It may not be fair, but that's the way it is, and he isn't the first coach to go through it. Dean, Lute, Donavan, and Roy were all labeled as chokers. It's just the way it works.

 

Those guys, however, had the ability to coach their way out of a wet paper bag. Self, not so much. One of the worst in game coaches I've ever seen. And I'm an Illini fan who thought that when he was here. I harbor no ill will toward Kansas for taking him because, while in the short run Illinois may struggle, the players that do come here will get the most out of their talent as opposed to floundering in the hi-low under Self. And Illinois will be good again and in the tourney next year anyway.

 

if he's bad, how come his teams are near the top in defensive and offensive efficiency? People who badmouth his coaching never have any concrete criticism other than his team lost XXX game. It's silly. I mean, you're sitting there talking about the hi-lo, and we don't even run the hi-lo as a primary offense. But Illini fans talk like that's all he does.

 

Self is not a top-5 coach. I'll admit that. But he is one of the premier coaches in college hoops. You don't win as much as he does if you're not. And don't throw the talent thing out there, because he coached ORU out of the depths, and he won with mid-major talent at Tulsa, too.

 

I've only seen one poorly coached team by Self, and that was the Bucknell/KU team.

The big reason Self looks good is because his teams are more talented than about 90 percent of the teams they play. That's why his numbers will always be really pretty. However, when he plays one of those other teams, usually around the elite eight, he is going to be exposed. He is terrible at in game adjustments. I am still waiting for us to adjust and take away the three against Notre Dame.

 

eh, I won't bother arguing it anymore. Your coach has been starting chet frazier over mccamey all year. I think know who's better.

Awesome response. At what point have I done anything but blast Weber this year? Especially when it comes to that decision. Although your coach starts Russell Robinson over a much more talented Sherron Collins. Oh and Weber has coached a team to the grandest stage of college basketball and built a program. Which one of those has the great Bill Self done again? Please say Tulsa.

 

Big deal. Lots of mediocre coaches have "coached on the grandest stage." Probably just as many as have turned a NC contender into a bottom dweller in a terrible conference. And who have overseen a program where one player left another for dead.

 

No, Self has never "built a program." He's never had to. Doesn't mean he couldn't.

 

At least Self has a rationale for starting Robinson. (Team leader, better defender). ANd at least he tries to conform his offense to his players, unlike Bruce "I'm gonna run this guard oriented motion offense despite my guards' mediocrity" Weber.

 

This argument is pointless, though. You're happy with Bruce and all his flaws. I'm happy with Self and his.

Right I guess Weber saying that he starts Frazier because he is our leader and best defender is somehow different from Self doing it. But since Weber doesn't coach at Kansas that makes him foolish. You play your best. Neither of these two clowns get that.

Also ask Jay Bilas about our terrible conference. 9 years in a row we have had a team in the final four. 9. Maybe the Big 12 should get a little more terrible. You realize that the Big 12 has less championships as a conference than IU does. Get the hell out of here with calling the Big 10 terrible. That might fly if you are the ACC or the Big East, but not when you are a fan of the pathetic Big 12.

 

I agree with what saying; however, Bilas was wrong. In 2006, no Big Ten teams made the final four (Florida, UCLA, LSU, George Mason). Nor did the 2003 or 2004 Final Fours. I think Bilas meant to say the Big Ten has sent nine teams to the last nine Final Fours.

Either way it is better than the Big 12 has done. The Big 10 is down compared to what it normally is, but it is still head and shoulders better than the Big 12.

[Exile on Waveland]

the big 10 is terrible this year. The Big XII's inability to win a title doesn't change that. Nor does the recent strength of the Big 10.

Recent? I thought we have sucked recently. You are grasping at straws. You have one great program and some decent ones. I like us to get more teams in the dance again than you guys again this year in our down year.

 

The Big Ten has the Nos. 7, 15, 16, 30 and 31 teams in Sagarin; Nos. 14, 15, 29, 30 and 36 kenpom. I don't think that's terrible at all.

[Exile on Waveland]

You'd think a run to the Elite 8 would be enough to stop the KU first round talk. :shrug:

 

 

Self needs a FF to shut people up. It's that simple. (But then it will be NC choker talk.) It may not be fair, but that's the way it is, and he isn't the first coach to go through it. Dean, Lute, Donavan, and Roy were all labeled as chokers. It's just the way it works.

 

Those guys, however, had the ability to coach their way out of a wet paper bag. Self, not so much. One of the worst in game coaches I've ever seen. And I'm an Illini fan who thought that when he was here. I harbor no ill will toward Kansas for taking him because, while in the short run Illinois may struggle, the players that do come here will get the most out of their talent as opposed to floundering in the hi-low under Self. And Illinois will be good again and in the tourney next year anyway.

 

if he's bad, how come his teams are near the top in defensive and offensive efficiency? People who badmouth his coaching never have any concrete criticism other than his team lost XXX game. It's silly. I mean, you're sitting there talking about the hi-lo, and we don't even run the hi-lo as a primary offense. But Illini fans talk like that's all he does.

 

Self is not a top-5 coach. I'll admit that. But he is one of the premier coaches in college hoops. You don't win as much as he does if you're not. And don't throw the talent thing out there, because he coached ORU out of the depths, and he won with mid-major talent at Tulsa, too.

 

I've only seen one poorly coached team by Self, and that was the Bucknell/KU team.

The big reason Self looks good is because his teams are more talented than about 90 percent of the teams they play. That's why his numbers will always be really pretty. However, when he plays one of those other teams, usually around the elite eight, he is going to be exposed. He is terrible at in game adjustments. I am still waiting for us to adjust and take away the three against Notre Dame.

 

eh, I won't bother arguing it anymore. Your coach has been starting chet frazier over mccamey all year. I think know who's better.

Awesome response. At what point have I done anything but blast Weber this year? Especially when it comes to that decision. Although your coach starts Russell Robinson over a much more talented Sherron Collins. Oh and Weber has coached a team to the grandest stage of college basketball and built a program. Which one of those has the great Bill Self done again? Please say Tulsa.

 

Big deal. Lots of mediocre coaches have "coached on the grandest stage." Probably just as many as have turned a NC contender into a bottom dweller in a terrible conference. And who have overseen a program where one player left another for dead.

 

No, Self has never "built a program." He's never had to. Doesn't mean he couldn't.

 

At least Self has a rationale for starting Robinson. (Team leader, better defender). ANd at least he tries to conform his offense to his players, unlike Bruce "I'm gonna run this guard oriented motion offense despite my guards' mediocrity" Weber.

 

This argument is pointless, though. You're happy with Bruce and all his flaws. I'm happy with Self and his.

Right I guess Weber saying that he starts Frazier because he is our leader and best defender is somehow different from Self doing it. But since Weber doesn't coach at Kansas that makes him foolish. You play your best. Neither of these two clowns get that.

Also ask Jay Bilas about our terrible conference. 9 years in a row we have had a team in the final four. 9. Maybe the Big 12 should get a little more terrible. You realize that the Big 12 has less championships as a conference than IU does. Get the hell out of here with calling the Big 10 terrible. That might fly if you are the ACC or the Big East, but not when you are a fan of the pathetic Big 12.

 

I agree with what saying; however, Bilas was wrong. In 2006, no Big Ten teams made the final four (Florida, UCLA, LSU, George Mason). Nor did the 2003 or 2004 Final Fours. I think Bilas meant to say the Big Ten has sent nine teams to the last nine Final Fours.

Either way it is better than the Big 12 has done. The Big 10 is down compared to what it normally is, but it is still head and shoulders better than the Big 12.

 

Agreed. I just don't like factual inaccuracies on ESPN or any other major media source. It's annoying.

[illiniguy]

the big 10 is terrible this year. The Big XII's inability to win a title doesn't change that. Nor does the recent strength of the Big 10.

Recent? I thought we have sucked recently. You are grasping at straws. You have one great program and some decent ones. I like us to get more teams in the dance again than you guys again this year in our down year.

 

The Big Ten has the Nos. 7, 15, 16, 30 and 31 teams in Sagarin; Nos. 14, 15, 29, 30 and 36 kenpom. I don't think that's terrible at all.

But, but, but the Big 12 has Kansas, Michael Beasley, and a bunch of decent teams.

[snoodmonger]

the big 10 is terrible this year. The Big XII's inability to win a title doesn't change that. Nor does the recent strength of the Big 10.

Recent? I thought we have sucked recently. You are grasping at straws. You have one great program and some decent ones. I like us to get more teams in the dance again than you guys again this year in our down year.

 

When did I say that?

 

The #1, 5, 13, 18, and 28 teams from Kenpom are big XII teams, btw.

 

#3, 9, 17, 29 in sagarin

[illiniguy]

the big 10 is terrible this year. The Big XII's inability to win a title doesn't change that. Nor does the recent strength of the Big 10.

Recent? I thought we have sucked recently. You are grasping at straws. You have one great program and some decent ones. I like us to get more teams in the dance again than you guys again this year in our down year.

 

When did I say that?

 

The #1, 5, 13, 18, and 28 teams from Kenpom are big XII teams, btw.

 

#3, 9, 17, 29 in sagarin

Well I would assume you meant a terrible conference as in recently. Otherwise I don't know what would cause you to say Weber is ruining a program in a terrible conference. Or in your Big 12 world can you not have a bad year conference wise?

[snoodmonger]

No, it's perfectly acceptable to have down years conference wise. My point was, BW has taken a former NC contender and turned them into a team struggling to compete in the Big 10, even though it's a down year for that conference.

[illiniguy]

No, it's perfectly acceptable to have down years conference wise. My point was, BW has taken a former NC contender and turned them into a team struggling to compete in the Big 10, even though it's a down year for that conference.

I wonder if that has anything to do with our best player being suspended for the year and losing out on a top rated recruit at the last second? Huh?

[snoodmonger]

No, it's perfectly acceptable to have down years conference wise. My point was, BW has taken a former NC contender and turned them into a team struggling to compete in the Big 10, even though it's a down year for that conference.

I wonder if that has anything to do with our best player being suspended for the year and losing out on a top rated recruit at the last second? Huh?

 

I'm sure that does. And that all happened under Bruce's watch.

[Flames24Rulz]

No, it's perfectly acceptable to have down years conference wise. My point was, BW has taken a former NC contender and turned them into a team struggling to compete in the Big 10, even though it's a down year for that conference.

I wonder if that has anything to do with our best player being suspended for the year and losing out on a top rated recruit at the last second? Huh?

 

Heh...I certainly wouldn't call Jamar Smith Illinois' best player. At least if we're going by the same Jamar Smith that I saw for the first half of last season.

[imb]

im glad that austin johnson has hit 6 threes and kept us in the game today, but he looks like an aids victim

[illiniguy]

No, it's perfectly acceptable to have down years conference wise. My point was, BW has taken a former NC contender and turned them into a team struggling to compete in the Big 10, even though it's a down year for that conference.

I wonder if that has anything to do with our best player being suspended for the year and losing out on a top rated recruit at the last second? Huh?

 

I'm sure that does. And that all happened under Bruce's watch.

Yep, that makes sense. Bruce should have not let those kids out of the dorms at all. God if only he were more like Self and never had offcourt player issues. God if only we didn't have a moon bar in Champaign. . . oh wait. That stuff happens anywhere. We have rebounded with our recruiting. Weber has not driven us into the ground. We had a bad year. It happens.

[illiniguy]

No, it's perfectly acceptable to have down years conference wise. My point was, BW has taken a former NC contender and turned them into a team struggling to compete in the Big 10, even though it's a down year for that conference.

I wonder if that has anything to do with our best player being suspended for the year and losing out on a top rated recruit at the last second? Huh?

 

Heh...I certainly wouldn't call Jamar Smith Illinois' best player. At least if we're going by the same Jamar Smith that I saw for the first half of last season.

You do know that Smith supposedly battled alcohol problems all year last year and physical injuries? I am talking the guy who shot about 45 percent from three his freshman year.

[snoodmonger]

No, it's perfectly acceptable to have down years conference wise. My point was, BW has taken a former NC contender and turned them into a team struggling to compete in the Big 10, even though it's a down year for that conference.

I wonder if that has anything to do with our best player being suspended for the year and losing out on a top rated recruit at the last second? Huh?

 

I'm sure that does. And that all happened under Bruce's watch.

Yep, that makes sense. Bruce should have not let those kids out of the dorms at all. God if only he were more like Self and never had offcourt player issues. God if only we didn't have a moon bar in Champaign. . . oh wait. That stuff happens anywhere. We have rebounded with our recruiting. Weber has not driven us into the ground. We had a bad year. It happens.

 

Who said it's fair? It's not fair to be labeled a bad coach when you win 71% of your games but lose in a crapshoot tourney, but you're ok with that.

 

Self did the right thing and got rid of the trouble makers, permanently. Giles, Giddens. Gone. Jamar might be a different story. I don't know enough about him, to be honest. But my first instinct is that he should've been gonzo cnsidering how effed up that mistake was.

 

Those recruits have to actually make to campus, first.