College Basketball 2007-2008

[hawkeyecub]

UGH! We lose 51-50 at Purdue.

 

We were down 50-47 with 10 seconds left, Jake Kelly inexplicably drives baseline but gets fouled and a goaltend after they interfered with the hoop. He hits the free throw to tie it with 5 seconds left. For some reason we didn't pick them up until halfcourt, Grant beats Freeman off the dribble, Tony reaches in and gets his hand on the ball but they called the foul with 1.4 to go. Grant hits the first free throw, intentionally misses the second, game over.

 

22 turnovers and we lose a game on the road against a good team by 1 point. Manage to keep that to 18 friggin turnovers (still way too many) and we win. Damn.

[Butterscup1679666578]

lol mizzou loses

[Butterscup1679666578]

Some guy on Kansas just destroyed some KState player on a lead block.

[Butterscup1679666578]

That is a ton of purple on that floor. Stuff like this makes me wish basketball at Mizzou actually meant something.

[Guest]

That is a ton of purple on that floor. Stuff like this makes me wish basketball at Mizzou actually meant something.

 

What's the score, yo? The game isn't on here.

[Butterscup1679666578]

That is a ton of purple on that floor. Stuff like this makes me wish basketball at Mizzou actually meant something.

 

What's the score, yo? The game isn't on here.

 

KState wins 84-75.

 

 

The local station here is carrying it. They actually moved the Mizzou-Nebraska game back to tape-delay airing so they could show this game live :lol:

[Guest]

That is a ton of purple on that floor. Stuff like this makes me wish basketball at Mizzou actually meant something.

 

What's the score, yo? The game isn't on here.

 

KState wins 84-75.

 

 

The local station here is carrying it. They actually moved the Mizzou-Nebraska game back to tape-delay airing so they could show this game live :lol:

 

Wow. I thought KSU had a chance but didn't really think they could pull it off even in Manhattan. Good for the Fighting Beasleys.

 

Now we need Tennessee to handle business against Memphis.

[SouthSideRyan]

It's almost funny how every single Illinois game against a good team plays out the same exact way.

 

Almost :(

[Sosa21MVP]

UGH! We lose 51-50 at Purdue.

 

We were down 50-47 with 10 seconds left, Jake Kelly inexplicably drives baseline but gets fouled and a goaltend after they interfered with the hoop. He hits the free throw to tie it with 5 seconds left. For some reason we didn't pick them up until halfcourt, Grant beats Freeman off the dribble, Tony reaches in and gets his hand on the ball but they called the foul with 1.4 to go. Grant hits the first free throw, intentionally misses the second, game over.

 

22 turnovers and we lose a game on the road against a good team by 1 point. Manage to keep that to 18 friggin turnovers (still way too many) and we win. Damn.

 

You guys got hosed on that last foul call that produced the winning free throw. But then again, I guess getting the 3 point play out of that drive to the basket was kind of fortunate so maybe it all balances out? Lickliter is doing a hell of a job getting that team ready to play, just a shame they don't have the personnel to win some of these games yet. I can actually not hate Iowa now that Alford is gone. :mrgreen:

[wekse]

It's almost funny how every single Illinois game against a good team plays out the same exact way.

 

Almost :(

 

haha, indeed....my fave stat tonite comes from the FT line, again....illinois goes 7-19 for 36%....mich st goes 19-25 for 76%

 

what a friggin' joke.

[Derwood]

did they show a lot of shots of KU chicks crying in the crowd? those are my favorite

[hawkeyecub]

UGH! We lose 51-50 at Purdue.

 

We were down 50-47 with 10 seconds left, Jake Kelly inexplicably drives baseline but gets fouled and a goaltend after they interfered with the hoop. He hits the free throw to tie it with 5 seconds left. For some reason we didn't pick them up until halfcourt, Grant beats Freeman off the dribble, Tony reaches in and gets his hand on the ball but they called the foul with 1.4 to go. Grant hits the first free throw, intentionally misses the second, game over.

 

22 turnovers and we lose a game on the road against a good team by 1 point. Manage to keep that to 18 friggin turnovers (still way too many) and we win. Damn.

 

You guys got hosed on that last foul call that produced the winning free throw. But then again, I guess getting the 3 point play out of that drive to the basket was kind of fortunate so maybe it all balances out? Lickliter is doing a hell of a job getting that team ready to play, just a shame they don't have the personnel to win some of these games yet. I can actually not hate Iowa now that Alford is gone. :mrgreen:

 

Yeah he definitely got a lot of ball. In Iowa City that's probably a no-call or a jump ball, but you get that call when you're the better team and playing at home. We were definitely lucky on the 3 point play. Kelly made a terrible decision and they bailed him out.

 

I'm getting more faith in Lickliter game by game. The turnovers are just maddening and they're driving him nuts. We've had 60 turnovers in the last 3 games. His team at Butler last year averaged under 10 per game. The way that we're playing defense without having a lot of talented defenders is impressive. Our offense only has a few pieces that he would ideally like in his system but again you can see how efficient and productive we would be if we even approached the turnover numbers his teams consistently had.

 

Side note, I absolutely hate watching Purdue at home. Their defense hand checks, grabs, holds, pushes and fouls on every hedge more than any other team in the league. In the Big Ten that's saying something. Yet any time they get a call, their crowd reacts like they've been robbed. I really wish Big Ten officials would consistently disallow that kind of defense.

[Andy]

I agree with you hawkeyecub, I watched a lot of the PU/Wisco game and they just got away with everything. I'm starting to believe that the Big Ten's 'great defense' that you always hear about is just the refs letting teams get away with everything on defense.

[hawkeyecub]

I agree with you hawkeyecub, I watched a lot of the PU/Wisco game and they just got away with everything. I'm starting to believe that the Big Ten's 'great defense' that you always hear about is just the refs letting teams get away with everything on defense.

 

I'm obviously an Iowa fan and like watching the Big Ten but in my opinion it just isn't an aesthetically pleasing conference right now, especially if you aren't a fan of a Big Ten team. It's probably the most physical league in the country and it's the slowest paced power conference.

 

Lickliter and Beilein won't help at all in regards to pace, but they don't play nearly as physical defensively and they both had beautiful offenses to watch with their last teams. Thankfully neither hired Chris Lowery.

 

You've got to think it will hurt Purdue in the NCAA's when they won't get away with it as much.

[SouthSideRyan]

I agree with you hawkeyecub, I watched a lot of the PU/Wisco game and they just got away with everything. I'm starting to believe that the Big Ten's 'great defense' that you always hear about is just the refs letting teams get away with everything on defense.

 

You could say the same about the Big Ten's "horrible offense"

[Productive Outs]

That is a ton of purple on that floor. Stuff like this makes me wish basketball at Mizzou actually meant something.

 

What's the score, yo? The game isn't on here.

 

KState wins 84-75.

 

 

The local station here is carrying it. They actually moved the Mizzou-Nebraska game back to tape-delay airing so they could show this game live :lol:

 

Wow. I thought KSU had a chance but didn't really think they could pull it off even in Manhattan. Good for the Fighting Beasleys.

 

Now we need Tennessee to handle business against Memphis.

 

tennessee doesn't stand a chance vs memphis.

[brinoch]

Side note, I absolutely hate watching Purdue at home. Their defense hand checks, grabs, holds, pushes and fouls on every hedge more than any other team in the league. In the Big Ten that's saying something. Yet any time they get a call, their crowd reacts like they've been robbed. I really wish Big Ten officials would consistently disallow that kind of defense.

 

I truly believe the Purdue fan-base and (in particular) their radio announcers are the whiniest fans in the Big Ten. Regarding "defense" in the Big Ten, I've long believed that one of the reasons that BIg Ten (and Big East) teams often struggle in the NCAA tournament is that the league allows significantly more physical play. I'm not a big fan of conference referees -- the refs should all be NCAA refs and moved around within their regions to all the conferences. I understand that a lot of these guys have other jobs, but a more professional referee corps would be good for all the conferences and for the NCAA.

 

Caveat: I'm an IU-guy. Have been my whole life. My parents went there. I went to school there. I met my wife there. I love IU. That said, I try to be reasonable in my view of other teams, particularly in the Big Ten. Obviously, I love my Hoosiers. (One season after attending the Final Four/National Championship in Atlanta, I began a boycott of IU basketball due to the ineptitude of Mike Davis. I just decided to not waste my time b/c it was too frustrating.) But outside the conference schedule, I root for all BIg Ten teams. Even Purdue.

[CubColtPacer]

I agree with you hawkeyecub, I watched a lot of the PU/Wisco game and they just got away with everything. I'm starting to believe that the Big Ten's 'great defense' that you always hear about is just the refs letting teams get away with everything on defense.

 

Then that must carry over to the Tournament as well as games involving Big 10 teams are traditionally lower scoring.

 

Purdue held Arizona to its 3rd lowest point total of the year.

Florida was held by Purdue to it's 2nd lowest score of the tournament (only Butler was better). I didn't look at all at their year because of 6 tournament games to judge on.

 

Michigan State held Marquette to easily its lowest point total of the year.

They gave up 81 to NC, but NC scored 80 or more 3 out of 4 tournament games, so that isn't too bad of a mark against MSU

 

Illinois held Virginia Tech to its 2nd lowest point total of the year.

 

Indiana held Gonzaga to its 2nd lowest point total of the year.

Indiana then held UCLA to its 2nd lowest point total of the year.

 

The Big 10 is ridiculously physical in league play. The refs allow way too much to happen (I still remember the Indiana-Illinois game a few years ago where the tooth of an Illinois player got wedged into an Indiana player's forehead, and it was more or less shrugged off by the announcers as regular Big 10 play).

That's not the only reason the Big 10 has a good defensive reputation though. The Big 10 is always a lot better when it comes time for the tournament then they are in November/December/January. If that's caused by the physical play or team defense needing time to gel, I don't know. What I do know is that the games with Big 10 teams in them will tend to be lower scoring and more of defensive struggles then other tournament games. That will especially be the case for Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Purdue this year and might be the case for Indiana and Ohio State as well.

 

I would agree though that it's not aesthetically pleasing to watch. If you don't have an emotional tie to any of the teams, I have no problem if you call it boring either. The Indiana-UCLA game was a great/frustrating game to watch if you were a fan of either team, but I'm sure it was an absolute snoozefest for the nation. I doubt the Big 10 will change anytime soon because they are still having a good amount of success in the tournament overall from year to year even while playing that slow brand of basketball.

Edited January 31, 2008 by CubColtPacer

[Guest]

Dobson, I take it you think Memphis is going undefeated the rest of the way (regular season)?

[OleMissCub]

No. 22 Ole Miss beats No.18 Vandy, 74-58

 

wooohooo. Nice victory for us after getting annihilated by Mississippi State (who got annihilated tonight by Arkansas 78-58)

[Guest]

Woa, ESPN Gameday is coming to Pauley Saturday morning for Arizona vs UCLA.

 

Luc's cleared to play against Arizona State tomorrow night. :D He's absolutely necessary for UCLA's (still poor) efforts to break ASU's strong zone defense. Gonna be a tough pair of games this week.

[SouthSideRyan]

Not meant as a slight to Ole Miss(i'm sure it will come off as one) but is Vandy even gonna wind up a tourney team? They've got a real Clemson (of ohh pretty much every year) feel about them.

 

Ole Miss is a better team than I originally thought. Should wind up a tourney team(10 seedish)

[Hosak8]

But, the thing is, none of that really matters. One isolated game means very little. Meph was right in all the football threads; one game is a crapshoot. Anomalous results happen nearly every night. Just because UT beat Xavier and West Virginia doesn't mean they're better than either (though I believe they certainly are). UNC lost to Maryland, UCLA to USC. Does that mean rankings that have UNC ahead of Maryland or UCLA ahead of USC are bogus? (Not that you could find a ranking that said otherwise; UNC and UCLA are clearly superior teams.)

 

Oh, and Lofton's shooting slump is completely nebulous and irrelevant-- it may be true, but surely you're not suggesting every player plays to his full potential every game? That's the exact reason one game has very little determinative value.

 

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this point. You see, you and I see things very differently. You actually think that formulas and algorithms are an accurate way to determine which is "the best team". You think that a formula that predicts who might win on a given night, irrespective of actual game conditions, matters. (Same with Meph and several others.) To some people, what happens on the field or court matters less than what a computer model says should happen. What you seemingly care about is the answer to the question "who is the best team?"

 

I think that's a ridiculous question, and pretty irrelevant. There is no sports league that is set up to find out the answer to that question. Instead, they are set up to crown champions. Often, the champion of a league is not "the best". But, it doesn't matter. Champions matter.

 

Now I realize that this seemingly began as a debate over which polls were better, but I sincerely don't really care. It is SSR's opinion that the SEC is "total ass". It is my opinion that he is wrong. He uses a computer that disregards reality (game conditions such as fatigue, home court advantage, etc..) and determines probabilities as a way of ranking teams to support him. I use polls that involve people watching real games, with real conditions, where wins and losses matter. You like his way. I like mine. You agree with people like Meph, who think that wins and losses are essentially arbitrary and meaningless, and that only being "the best team" matters. I believe that winning matters more that who was supposed to win. I believe that Championships mean more than being the best team.

 

In your sterile little sports world, Houston will always be the best basketball team from 1983. In mine, NC State is the National Champion. And, that's okay with me.

[SouthSideRyan]

a lot of strawmen and inaccuracies.

[OleMissCub]

Not meant as a slight to Ole Miss(i'm sure it will come off as one) but is Vandy even gonna wind up a tourney team? They've got a real Clemson (of ohh pretty much every year) feel about them.

 

No offense taken from a Rebels fan.