Fontenot

[TruffleShuffle]

If Cedeno is seriously our best option @ SS next year, we're in deep trouble.

 

Compared to what we're getting from Theriot? I like the riot, but he just didn't bring his game consistently this year. He had a great month when we were hot, and he was definitely a spark then.

 

If Soriano continues to lead off, DeRosa should be hitting 2nd, not 5th/6th. That's why we need to figure out a decent option for RF who can hit in the middle of the order. Cedeno will not hurt us hitting 8th behing Soto.

 

I think the consensus is that neither are good enough, and that we need to go outside the system for a SS. But if it comes down to Theriot vs. Cedeno, I'd go with Ronny. Ryan was just awful for the last 2 months of the season.

 

and ronny was worse for five months of 2006.

[Sammy Sofa]

If Cedeno is seriously our best option @ SS next year, we're in deep trouble.

 

Compared to what we're getting from Theriot? I like the riot, but he just didn't bring his game consistently this year. He had a great month when we were hot, and he was definitely a spark then.

 

If Soriano continues to lead off, DeRosa should be hitting 2nd, not 5th/6th. That's why we need to figure out a decent option for RF who can hit in the middle of the order. Cedeno will not hurt us hitting 8th behing Soto.

 

I think the consensus is that neither are good enough, and that we need to go outside the system for a SS. But if it comes down to Theriot vs. Cedeno, I'd go with Ronny. Ryan was just awful for the last 2 months of the season.

 

and ronny was worse for five months of 2006.

 

When you get down to it, both were good offensively for the very end of one season and for about a month then over the course of a full season.

[sporrer17]

And Ronny has more upside. He's at least got a little pop and he can make the spectacular plays on defense.

[SouthSideRyan]

and ronny was worse for five months of 2006.

 

I feel quite comfortable saying Ronny could've put up a .367/.379 line in AAA '06.

[TruffleShuffle]

and ronny was worse for five months of 2006.

 

I feel quite comfortable saying Ronny could've put up a .367/.379 line in AAA '06.

 

I don't, he doesn't walk enough to have a .367 OBP.

[HoopsCubs]

I wanted to start a thread about people's opinions on Fontenot's future with the big club. There are many that are much more knowledgeable than me on the minor leagues (I mainly just pick up stuff from the minor league forums), but I had been under the impression the last few years that Fontenot was the slightly better prospect. I may be remembering wrong.

 

I know he's not someone to rely on for production next year, but I'm bored and wanted to get people's thoughts on his future. He's put up the following lines in Iowa the last two years:

 

2006: 296/375/450 (111 games)

2007: 336/384/540 (55 games)

 

Thoughts?

 

Fontenot had a great June. His hits in June led to several key wins. That's about all the positive stuff we can truthfully say about him.

His OPS in JUL, AUG, SEP was .480, .624, .571, respectfully. In a word, dreadful.

 

He has no business being guaranteed a spot on the 25 man roster next season. If he earns one out of Spring, great, but then he should be monitored. In reality, I would like to see Jim Hendry add him in some deal this Winter. Eric Patterson has a greater ceiling.

[Guest]

and ronny was worse for five months of 2006.

 

I feel quite comfortable saying Ronny could've put up a .367/.379 line in AAA '06.

 

I don't, he doesn't walk enough to have a .367 OBP.

 

At the AAA level, Ronny put up a .403 OBP in 275 PA's in 2005 and a .422 OBP in 327 PA's in 2007. So why is it you don't think Ronny could have a .367 OBP in AAA in 2006 when he put up .400+ OBP's in 05 and 07 at the same level?

[nilodnayr]

and ronny was worse for five months of 2006.

 

I feel quite comfortable saying Ronny could've put up a .367/.379 line in AAA '06.

 

I don't, he doesn't walk enough to have a .367 OBP.

 

At the AAA level, Ronny put up a .403 OBP in 275 PA's in 2005 and a .422 OBP in 327 PA's in 2007. So why is it you don't think Ronny could have a .367 OBP in AAA in 2006 when he put up .400+ OBP's in 05 and 07 at the same level?

 

However, his IsoD in 2007 was 63 and 48 in 2006. So, he'd have to hit 300 - 320 to have a 360ish OBP.

[Guest]

and ronny was worse for five months of 2006.

 

I feel quite comfortable saying Ronny could've put up a .367/.379 line in AAA '06.

 

I don't, he doesn't walk enough to have a .367 OBP.

 

At the AAA level, Ronny put up a .403 OBP in 275 PA's in 2005 and a .422 OBP in 327 PA's in 2007. So why is it you don't think Ronny could have a .367 OBP in AAA in 2006 when he put up .400+ OBP's in 05 and 07 at the same level?

 

However, his IsoD in 2007 was 63 and 48 in 2006. So, he'd have to hit 300 - 320 to have a 360ish OBP.

 

I get that. But he hit .355 and .359 in 05 and 07, respectively, in roughly a half season worth of PA's each year so what reason is there to believe he couldn't and wouldn't have done that in 2006 at the AAA level? What he's going to do at the ML level is debatable but there's no doubt in my mind that Cedeno would have been a far, far superior hitter to Theriot had he played in AAA in 2006.

[nilodnayr]

and ronny was worse for five months of 2006.

 

I feel quite comfortable saying Ronny could've put up a .367/.379 line in AAA '06.

 

I don't, he doesn't walk enough to have a .367 OBP.

 

At the AAA level, Ronny put up a .403 OBP in 275 PA's in 2005 and a .422 OBP in 327 PA's in 2007. So why is it you don't think Ronny could have a .367 OBP in AAA in 2006 when he put up .400+ OBP's in 05 and 07 at the same level?

 

However, his IsoD in 2007 was 63 and 48 in 2006. So, he'd have to hit 300 - 320 to have a 360ish OBP.

 

I get that. But he hit .355 and .359 in 05 and 07, respectively, in roughly a half season worth of PA's each year so what reason is there to believe he couldn't and wouldn't have done that in 2006 at the AAA level? What he's going to do at the ML level is debatable but there's no doubt in my mind that Cedeno would have been a far, far superior hitter to Theriot had he played in AAA in 2006.

 

His BABIP was 93 points above the I-Cubs lin 2007 and 69 points above the I-Cubs in 2005.

 

I like Cedenot a lot, but hes probably not going to hit over 300 in the majors without a lot of luck.

[TruffleShuffle]

i didn't even know we were talking about AAA. the thing is, cedeno probably will hit better at that level because he's more talented than theriot. However, cedeno has a poorer approach at the plate and will chase more balls outside the zone, which big league pitchers have been able to exploit to a great degree. So I have no confidence that big-league Ronny can perform anywhere close to the way he's played in Iowa.

[SouthSideRyan]

i didn't even know we were talking about AAA. the thing is, cedeno probably will hit better at that level because he's more talented than theriot. However, cedeno has a poorer approach at the plate and will chase more balls outside the zone, which big league pitchers have been able to exploit to a great degree. So I have no confidence that big-league Ronny can perform anywhere close to the way he's played in Iowa.

 

The reason I mentioned AAA is because you said Ronny was worse than Theriot in '06. Theriot was in AAA for most of '06 and put up mediocre #s, which I said I was sure Cedeno could match. As I've said elsewhere around the board, I'm not going to write off a guy for one horrible year in the bigs at the age of 23. I'm certainly not going to write him off so I could give more ABs to a known below average player in Ryan Theriot.

[Tracer Bullet]

i didn't even know we were talking about AAA. the thing is, cedeno probably will hit better at that level because he's more talented than theriot. However, cedeno has a poorer approach at the plate and will chase more balls outside the zone, which big league pitchers have been able to exploit to a great degree. So I have no confidence that big-league Ronny can perform anywhere close to the way he's played in Iowa.

 

The reason I mentioned AAA is because you said Ronny was worse than Theriot in '06. Theriot was in AAA for most of '06 and put up mediocre #s, which I said I was sure Cedeno could match. As I've said elsewhere around the board, I'm not going to write off a guy for one horrible year in the bigs at the age of 23. I'm certainly not going to write him off so I could give more ABs to a known below average player in Ryan Theriot.

 

Exactly. Theriot is about to be 28, Cedeno will be 25 next season. When he was 22 and 24, he put up great #s at AAA. Give Cedeno the SS position and let him hit 8th. Use Theriot as your utility IF and show Fontenot the door.

[cbbryan]

He has Augie Ojeda written all over him. Although he does have a better bat.

[Soul]

i didn't even know we were talking about AAA. the thing is, cedeno probably will hit better at that level because he's more talented than theriot. However, cedeno has a poorer approach at the plate and will chase more balls outside the zone, which big league pitchers have been able to exploit to a great degree. So I have no confidence that big-league Ronny can perform anywhere close to the way he's played in Iowa.

 

The reason I mentioned AAA is because you said Ronny was worse than Theriot in '06. Theriot was in AAA for most of '06 and put up mediocre #s, which I said I was sure Cedeno could match. As I've said elsewhere around the board, I'm not going to write off a guy for one horrible year in the bigs at the age of 23. I'm certainly not going to write him off so I could give more ABs to a known below average player in Ryan Theriot.

 

He's been given more than one chance at the bigs, under two different managers, and has pretty much sucked each time. I'm not sure what can be done to turn him into an above average MLB player, but right now he's not even close.

[Garage Party]

Ronny Cedeno has average skills, but he's baseball stupid.

[Keener98]

Ronny Cedeno has average skills, but he's baseball stupid.

 

Damn him for making a mistake. Guess what every single person on this team made stupid mistakes this year, not just Ronny

[BigSlick]

Ronny Cedeno has average skills, but he's baseball stupid.

 

Damn him for making a mistake. Guess what every single person on this team made stupid mistakes this year, not just Ronny

 

He's made an inordinate amount of mistakes for how much playing time he's been granted. Its reasonable to be worried about him.

 

I'd still prefer he get a chance to start over Theriot, but who knows.

[USSoccer]

Ronny Cedeno has average skills, but he's baseball stupid.

 

Based on what?

[wolf stansson]

Ronny Cedeno has average skills, but he's baseball stupid.

 

Based on what?

He got like a 15 on his baseball ACT. I think monkeys get around 10 or something.

 

In fairness to Ronny, he forgot his calculator for the Math portion.

[USSoccer]

Ronny Cedeno has average skills, but he's baseball stupid.

 

Based on what?

He got like a 15 on his baseball ACT. I think monkeys get around 10 or something.

 

In fairness to Ronny, he forgot his calculator for the Math portion.

 

Oh, well, it looks like Ronny is the poster child for No Shortstop Left Behind. We need to get his standardized test numbers higher so he can succeed at the major league level.