9/6: LA (Lowe) at Cubs (Marquis), 1:20 pm CDT; CSN

[David]

It's funny how some people just don't realize that this is what it looks like when 2-3 mediocre teams are battling it out to win a bad division.

 

But yea, the season is over with a month to go. Those other teams just got a whole lot better because we lost today.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Dempster sucks

[fromthestretch]

Dempster's been great. This was overdue.

 

It just blows it had to come in a game like this.

 

Yep, he's done a good job this year. Now it's up to his teammates to pick him up and score some runs in the 9th.

 

Dempster - ERA after today 3.5+. SOs/IPs = 48/55

 

Marmol ERA 1.45. 77/56

 

Saves are misleading. Dempster gets hit hard and doesn't strike out enough guys to be a good closer which is why he is constantly in trouble even when he does get lucky saves.

 

While I completely agree that saves are misleading, to say that Dempster gets hit hard is inaccurate. Coming into this game, opponent have put up a line of .197/.296/.275 against Dempster this season.

 

Lets compare his ERA to others in the weak Central division.

 

Marmol - 1.45

Izzy - 1.77

Lidge - 2.97

Cordero - 2.96

 

Eventually all those line smashes against him start to fall in.

 

His ERA is out of whack with his other numbers. If anything, Dempster has been unlucky this season. Opponents aren't hitting for average or power against him. His control could be better, but you were wrong in saying he's been hit hard this year. If you want to say he's been hit hard by the Mets, that would be accurate. Hell, if you take away those two horrible games, his ERA would have been 1.84 coming into today.

[illiniguy]

It's funny how some people just don't realize that this is what it looks like when 2-3 mediocre teams are battling it out to win a bad division.

 

But yea, the season is over with a month to go. Those other teams just got a whole lot better because we lost today.

The Cardinals are charging, I know that.

[David]

Good one today Cubs. I'm not sure the Cards or Brewers will ever lose again, so good luck.

 

The Brewers' next ten games are against the Pirates and Reds.

 

This season is OVER.

 

I know. We still have to play the Padres, Mets, Phillies, D'Backs...

 

Nevermind. We play the Pirates and Reds too.

 

Cubs record against the Reds: 5-7

Cubs record against the Pirates: 4-5

 

Yeah, that's a playoff team right there, folks.

 

You should change your name to Pollyanna. It would suit you.

 

LAWLZ you should change yours to Chicken Little, it would suit you..111!!

 

OMGZ so funny

[3Dog]

Someone put the Surgeon General's warning on the next three weeks.

[illiniguy]

Dempster's been great. This was overdue.

 

It just blows it had to come in a game like this.

 

Yep, he's done a good job this year. Now it's up to his teammates to pick him up and score some runs in the 9th.

 

Dempster - ERA after today 3.5+. SOs/IPs = 48/55

 

Marmol ERA 1.45. 77/56

 

Saves are misleading. Dempster gets hit hard and doesn't strike out enough guys to be a good closer which is why he is constantly in trouble even when he does get lucky saves.

 

While I completely agree that saves are misleading, to say that Dempster gets hit hard is inaccurate. Coming into this game, opponent have put up a line of .197/.296/.275 against Dempster this season.

 

Lets compare his ERA to others in the weak Central division.

 

Marmol - 1.45

Izzy - 1.77

Lidge - 2.97

Cordero - 2.96

 

Eventually all those line smashes against him start to fall in.

 

His ERA is out of whack with his other numbers. If anything, Dempster has been unlucky this season. Opponents aren't hitting for average or power against him. His control could be better, but you were wrong in saying he's been hit hard this year. If you want to say he's been hit hard by the Mets, that would be accurate. Hell, if you take away those two horrible games, his ERA would have been 1.84 coming into today.

Ok, but the fact remains the organization keeps saying he is our closer of the future. Well he has proven he can get big league hitters out. We have a team built for the now, not the future. Thus why wouldn't we use him in that role now, when we have a legit shot to win the division.

Edited September 6, 2007 by illiniguy

[C.C.]

It's funny how some people just don't realize that this is what it looks like when 2-3 mediocre teams are battling it out to win a bad division.

 

But yea, the season is over with a month to go. Those other teams just got a whole lot better because we lost today.

The Cardinals are charging, I know that.

 

Look who their playing? St. Louis still has the hardest schedule of the three teams. Don't worry...We'll be fine!

[The Voice of Reason]

Good one today Cubs. I'm not sure the Cards or Brewers will ever lose again, so good luck.

 

The Brewers' next ten games are against the Pirates and Reds.

 

This season is OVER.

 

Yeah, all of our remaining games against the Pirates and Reds will make it impossible to beat them. Oh, and I forgot the Brewers great road record too...Man, we're toast!

 

 

I'm a little more concerned about the four games in St. louis and the Cardinals than the Brewers.

[David]

It's funny how some people just don't realize that this is what it looks like when 2-3 mediocre teams are battling it out to win a bad division.

 

But yea, the season is over with a month to go. Those other teams just got a whole lot better because we lost today.

The Cardinals are charging, I know that.

 

I would bet almost any amount of money that the Cardinals don't win this division.

 

It'll be either the Brewers or Cubs.

[illiniguy]

It's funny how some people just don't realize that this is what it looks like when 2-3 mediocre teams are battling it out to win a bad division.

 

But yea, the season is over with a month to go. Those other teams just got a whole lot better because we lost today.

The Cardinals are charging, I know that.

 

I would bet almost any amount of money that the Cardinals don't win this division.

 

It'll be either the Brewers or Cubs.

You want to make a wager?

[illiniguy]

It's funny how some people just don't realize that this is what it looks like when 2-3 mediocre teams are battling it out to win a bad division.

 

But yea, the season is over with a month to go. Those other teams just got a whole lot better because we lost today.

The Cardinals are charging, I know that.

 

Look who their playing? St. Louis still has the hardest schedule of the three teams. Don't worry...We'll be fine!

I really hope you are right.

[The Voice of Reason]

It's funny how some people just don't realize that this is what it looks like when 2-3 mediocre teams are battling it out to win a bad division.

 

But yea, the season is over with a month to go. Those other teams just got a whole lot better because we lost today.

The Cardinals are charging, I know that.

 

Look who their playing? St. Louis still has the hardest schedule of the three teams. Don't worry...We'll be fine!

 

Isn't that what Edward J. Smith said just before his boat hit that little iceberg?

[David]

It's funny how some people just don't realize that this is what it looks like when 2-3 mediocre teams are battling it out to win a bad division.

 

But yea, the season is over with a month to go. Those other teams just got a whole lot better because we lost today.

The Cardinals are charging, I know that.

 

I would bet almost any amount of money that the Cardinals don't win this division.

 

It'll be either the Brewers or Cubs.

You want to make a wager?

 

You seriously want to bet on the Cardinals?

[illiniguy]

It's funny how some people just don't realize that this is what it looks like when 2-3 mediocre teams are battling it out to win a bad division.

 

But yea, the season is over with a month to go. Those other teams just got a whole lot better because we lost today.

The Cardinals are charging, I know that.

 

I would bet almost any amount of money that the Cardinals don't win this division.

 

It'll be either the Brewers or Cubs.

You want to make a wager?

 

You seriously want to bet on the Cardinals?

No I want the damn division to be over, but I don't mind taking your money. I will gladly pay if I am wrong.

[CubColtPacer]

It's funny how some people just don't realize that this is what it looks like when 2-3 mediocre teams are battling it out to win a bad division.

 

But yea, the season is over with a month to go. Those other teams just got a whole lot better because we lost today.

 

Exactly. The last 3 months, the whole story with the Cubs and Brewers has been to stay as close to the Brewers as possible at home, and then make up ground on the road. Now it seems like everybody thinks the whole picture changes with every game.

 

The Brewers will struggle once again on the road-they haven't gone .500 or better on a road trip since June. Then, after they finish those road games, they have to play the Cardinals and Padres at home.

 

If the Cubs just can win 3 against the Cardinals (which 3-2 against the Cardials would be worse than what the Cubs have done against them all season) and then go even 2-3 games over .500 the other games, that will probably win the division.

[David]

It's funny how some people just don't realize that this is what it looks like when 2-3 mediocre teams are battling it out to win a bad division.

 

But yea, the season is over with a month to go. Those other teams just got a whole lot better because we lost today.

The Cardinals are charging, I know that.

 

I would bet almost any amount of money that the Cardinals don't win this division.

 

It'll be either the Brewers or Cubs.

You want to make a wager?

 

You seriously want to bet on the Cardinals?

No I want the damn division to be over, but I don't mind taking your money. I will gladly pay if I am wrong.

 

What kind of odds do you want?

[C.C.]

It's funny how some people just don't realize that this is what it looks like when 2-3 mediocre teams are battling it out to win a bad division.

 

But yea, the season is over with a month to go. Those other teams just got a whole lot better because we lost today.

The Cardinals are charging, I know that.

 

I would bet almost any amount of money that the Cardinals don't win this division.

 

It'll be either the Brewers or Cubs.

You want to make a wager?

 

You seriously want to bet on the Cardinals?

No I want the damn division to be over, but I don't mind taking your money. I will gladly pay if I am wrong.

 

Put it this way if the Cardinals win it with their schedule, then they deserve it..

[illiniguy]

It's funny how some people just don't realize that this is what it looks like when 2-3 mediocre teams are battling it out to win a bad division.

 

But yea, the season is over with a month to go. Those other teams just got a whole lot better because we lost today.

The Cardinals are charging, I know that.

 

I would bet almost any amount of money that the Cardinals don't win this division.

 

It'll be either the Brewers or Cubs.

You want to make a wager?

 

You seriously want to bet on the Cardinals?

No I want the damn division to be over, but I don't mind taking your money. I will gladly pay if I am wrong.

 

What kind of odds do you want?

Brewers win no one gets anything. Cards win you pay me. Cubs win I happily send you money. The ammount is up to you.

[CubColtPacer]

Dempster's been great. This was overdue.

 

It just blows it had to come in a game like this.

 

Yep, he's done a good job this year. Now it's up to his teammates to pick him up and score some runs in the 9th.

 

Dempster - ERA after today 3.5+. SOs/IPs = 48/55

 

Marmol ERA 1.45. 77/56

 

Saves are misleading. Dempster gets hit hard and doesn't strike out enough guys to be a good closer which is why he is constantly in trouble even when he does get lucky saves.

 

While I completely agree that saves are misleading, to say that Dempster gets hit hard is inaccurate. Coming into this game, opponent have put up a line of .197/.296/.275 against Dempster this season.

 

Lets compare his ERA to others in the weak Central division.

 

Marmol - 1.45

Izzy - 1.77

Lidge - 2.97

Cordero - 2.96

 

Eventually all those line smashes against him start to fall in.

 

His ERA is out of whack with his other numbers. If anything, Dempster has been unlucky this season. Opponents aren't hitting for average or power against him. His control could be better, but you were wrong in saying he's been hit hard this year. If you want to say he's been hit hard by the Mets, that would be accurate. Hell, if you take away those two horrible games, his ERA would have been 1.84 coming into today.

Ok, but the fact remains the organization keeps saying he is our closer of the future. Well he has proven he can get big league hitters out. We have a team built for the now, not the future. Thus why wouldn't we use him in that role now, when we have a legit shot to win the division.

 

Because there is almost no role for Dempster if you take him out of closer. You can't put him in during the middle of an inning. Marmol is much more versatile than Dempster and can come in with runners on to get 1 out, while Dempster needs to come in with nobody on to be effective.

 

So until Dempster is traded, he needs to be the closer and Marmol needs to come in with runners on to stop people from scoring. The pieces of the Cubs bullpen fit better that way.

 

The

Edited September 6, 2007 by CubColtPacer

[illiniguy]

ankiel homers again.

[illiniguy]

Dempster's been great. This was overdue.

 

It just blows it had to come in a game like this.

 

Yep, he's done a good job this year. Now it's up to his teammates to pick him up and score some runs in the 9th.

 

Dempster - ERA after today 3.5+. SOs/IPs = 48/55

 

Marmol ERA 1.45. 77/56

 

Saves are misleading. Dempster gets hit hard and doesn't strike out enough guys to be a good closer which is why he is constantly in trouble even when he does get lucky saves.

 

While I completely agree that saves are misleading, to say that Dempster gets hit hard is inaccurate. Coming into this game, opponent have put up a line of .197/.296/.275 against Dempster this season.

 

Lets compare his ERA to others in the weak Central division.

 

Marmol - 1.45

Izzy - 1.77

Lidge - 2.97

Cordero - 2.96

 

Eventually all those line smashes against him start to fall in.

 

His ERA is out of whack with his other numbers. If anything, Dempster has been unlucky this season. Opponents aren't hitting for average or power against him. His control could be better, but you were wrong in saying he's been hit hard this year. If you want to say he's been hit hard by the Mets, that would be accurate. Hell, if you take away those two horrible games, his ERA would have been 1.84 coming into today.

Ok, but the fact remains the organization keeps saying he is our closer of the future. Well he has proven he can get big league hitters out. We have a team built for the now, not the future. Thus why wouldn't we use him in that role now, when we have a legit shot to win the division.

 

Because there is almost no role for Dempster if you take him out of closer. You can't put him in during the middle of an inning. Marmol is much more versatile than Dempster and can come in with runners on to get 1 out, while Dempster needs to come in with nobody on to be effective. So until Dempster is traded, he needs to be the closer and Marmol needs to come in with runners on to stop people from scoring.

Oh so Dempster isnt a good enough pitcher to come in with guys on base and get out of it, yet you support him being our closer.

[David]

It's funny how some people just don't realize that this is what it looks like when 2-3 mediocre teams are battling it out to win a bad division.

 

But yea, the season is over with a month to go. Those other teams just got a whole lot better because we lost today.

The Cardinals are charging, I know that.

 

I would bet almost any amount of money that the Cardinals don't win this division.

 

It'll be either the Brewers or Cubs.

You want to make a wager?

 

You seriously want to bet on the Cardinals?

No I want the damn division to be over, but I don't mind taking your money. I will gladly pay if I am wrong.

 

What kind of odds do you want?

Brewers win no one gets anything. Cards win you pay me. Cubs win I happily send you money. The ammount is up to you.

 

I was going to give you 2-1 and just take the Cubs and Brewers, but that works for me, I guess.

 

How's $50 sound?

[The Voice of Reason]

Dempster's been great. This was overdue.

 

It just blows it had to come in a game like this.

 

Yep, he's done a good job this year. Now it's up to his teammates to pick him up and score some runs in the 9th.

 

Dempster - ERA after today 3.5+. SOs/IPs = 48/55

 

Marmol ERA 1.45. 77/56

 

Saves are misleading. Dempster gets hit hard and doesn't strike out enough guys to be a good closer which is why he is constantly in trouble even when he does get lucky saves.

 

While I completely agree that saves are misleading, to say that Dempster gets hit hard is inaccurate. Coming into this game, opponent have put up a line of .197/.296/.275 against Dempster this season.

 

Lets compare his ERA to others in the weak Central division.

 

Marmol - 1.45

Izzy - 1.77

Lidge - 2.97

Cordero - 2.96

 

Eventually all those line smashes against him start to fall in.

 

His ERA is out of whack with his other numbers. If anything, Dempster has been unlucky this season. Opponents aren't hitting for average or power against him. His control could be better, but you were wrong in saying he's been hit hard this year. If you want to say he's been hit hard by the Mets, that would be accurate. Hell, if you take away those two horrible games, his ERA would have been 1.84 coming into today.

 

In your opinion, if a pitcher gives up three line smashes right at someone and gets three outs was he hit hard?

[C.C.]

Dempster's been great. This was overdue.

 

It just blows it had to come in a game like this.

 

Yep, he's done a good job this year. Now it's up to his teammates to pick him up and score some runs in the 9th.

 

Dempster - ERA after today 3.5+. SOs/IPs = 48/55

 

Marmol ERA 1.45. 77/56

 

Saves are misleading. Dempster gets hit hard and doesn't strike out enough guys to be a good closer which is why he is constantly in trouble even when he does get lucky saves.

 

While I completely agree that saves are misleading, to say that Dempster gets hit hard is inaccurate. Coming into this game, opponent have put up a line of .197/.296/.275 against Dempster this season.

 

Lets compare his ERA to others in the weak Central division.

 

Marmol - 1.45

Izzy - 1.77

Lidge - 2.97

Cordero - 2.96

 

Eventually all those line smashes against him start to fall in.

 

His ERA is out of whack with his other numbers. If anything, Dempster has been unlucky this season. Opponents aren't hitting for average or power against him. His control could be better, but you were wrong in saying he's been hit hard this year. If you want to say he's been hit hard by the Mets, that would be accurate. Hell, if you take away those two horrible games, his ERA would have been 1.84 coming into today.

Ok, but the fact remains the organization keeps saying he is our closer of the future. Well he has proven he can get big league hitters out. We have a team built for the now, not the future. Thus why wouldn't we use him in that role now, when we have a legit shot to win the division.

 

Because there is almost no role for Dempster if you take him out of closer. You can't put him in during the middle of an inning. Marmol is much more versatile than Dempster and can come in with runners on to get 1 out, while Dempster needs to come in with nobody on to be effective. So until Dempster is traded, he needs to be the closer and Marmol needs to come in with runners on to stop people from scoring.

Oh so Dempster isnt a good enough pitcher to come in with guys on base and get out of it, yet you support him being our closer.

 

Dempster has what 3-4 BS this year? He's been good this year in his role as is Marmol in his. The bullpen is not the problem of this team.