All-Overrated (last 25 yrs)

[Mephistopheles]

Joe Carter's RBI whoring lore overratedness has been well-documented. I'll point out another one and I expect to get slammed on this one: Manny Ramirez.

[Mephistopheles]

Joe Carter's RBI whoring lore overratedness has been well-documented. I'll point out another one and I expect to get slammed on this one: Manny Ramirez.

[rocket]

Joe Carter's RBI whoring lore overratedness has been well-documented. I'll point out another one and I expect to get slammed on this one: Manny Ramirez.

 

before i slam, what is the reasoning behind it?

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Nolan Ryan.

 

Clemens and Seaver >>>>> Ryan

[NewUserName]

Cal Ripken Jr.

[weatherdood]

Wood, Prior, Zambrano...any other pitcher that has ever put on a Cubs jersey.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Last 25 years? Damn. I was so ready to throw Phil Rizzuto out there.

 

Ummm...Andruw Jones.

[Mephistopheles]

Joe Carter's RBI whoring lore overratedness has been well-documented. I'll point out another one and I expect to get slammed on this one: Manny Ramirez.

 

before i slam, what is the reasoning behind it?

his utter lack of defensive competence.

[soccer10k]

Joe Carter's RBI whoring lore overratedness has been well-documented. I'll point out another one and I expect to get slammed on this one: Manny Ramirez.

 

before i slam, what is the reasoning behind it?

his utter lack of defensive competence.

 

I don't think you can call him overrated though. He's been one of the top hitters in the league for a number of years now and while his defense is below average, everybody knows it. It's not like Jeter where most people perceive him to be a god defensively. People know Manny's shortcomings and deal with them.

[Mephistopheles]

people acknowledge his defensive inability but they don't when they actually analyze his contributions.

[soccer10k]

How much does his defense really take away from what he does offensively?

[Outshined_One]

Dontrelle Willis

[Mephistopheles]

How much does his defense really take away from what he does offensively?

 

quite a bit.

[fromthestretch]

Curt Schilling is pretty overrated. If he didn't force all of his opinions on everyone, he'd be a poor man's Jack Morris.

 

A poor man's Jack Morris? I can't agree with that at all. I'd take a healthy Schilling over Morris any day.

 

Schilling:

126 ERA+

1.14 WHIP

8.6 K/9

4.4 K/BB

.673 Opp OPS

 

Morris:

105 ERA+

1.30 WHIP

5.8 K/9

1.8 K/BB

.693 Opp OPS

 

It's one thing to say that Schilling is overrated at this stage of his career, which is probably true. However, when you look at his career as a whole, he's been a damn good pitcher, moreso than Morris.

[daske17]

Steve Garvey.

 

Just because I don't like him. :)

[Derwood]

How much does his defense really take away from what he does offensively?

 

quite a bit.

 

if Ortiz weren't on the Red Sox, Manny would never see the light of the outfield

[abuck1220]

How much does his defense really take away from what he does offensively?

 

quite a bit.

 

by the way, a while back you had some numbers showing that zambrano's hitting made him better overall than hill. did those numbers take baserunning into account?

[Mephistopheles]

no but i wouldnt think there would be a significant difference there

 

even if there was it wouldnt be the difference in the three or whatever runs z had on hill

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Ozzie Smith

[apete6]

Curt Schilling is pretty overrated. If he didn't force all of his opinions on everyone, he'd be a poor man's Jack Morris.

 

A poor man's Jack Morris? I can't agree with that at all. I'd take a healthy Schilling over Morris any day.

 

Schilling:

126 ERA+

1.14 WHIP

8.6 K/9

4.4 K/BB

.673 Opp OPS

 

Morris:

105 ERA+

1.30 WHIP

5.8 K/9

1.8 K/BB

.693 Opp OPS

 

It's one thing to say that Schilling is overrated at this stage of his career, which is probably true. However, when you look at his career as a whole, he's been a damn good pitcher, moreso than Morris.

 

Great points. I probably should have said similar to Jack Morris. Most people, however, are considering Schilling a lock for the HOF while Morris hasn't sniffed induction.

[SouthSideRyan]

How much does his defense really take away from what he does offensively?

 

quite a bit.

 

I seem to remember reading about a significant Green Monster factor coming into play when rating Ramirez's defense via metric. He's bad out there, no doubt, but I don't believe he's as terrible as his reputation.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

How much does his defense really take away from what he does offensively?

 

quite a bit.

 

I seem to remember reading about a significant Green Monster factor coming into play when rating Ramirez's defense via metric. He's bad out there, no doubt, but I don't believe he's as terrible as his reputation.

 

Yeah, I was going to mention this too.

[fromthestretch]

How about Brian Downing (at least offensively)?

 

Career 122 OPS+. with a .370 OBP.

 

EDIT: Whoops...meant to put this in the underrated thread.

[NewUserName]

How about Brian Downing (at least offensively)?

 

Career 122 OPS+. with a .370 OBP.

 

 

over-rated or under-rated? I always thought he was pretty under-rated.

 

 

I also agree with Steve Garvey. Probably the most over-rated player in the 70s.

[fromthestretch]

How about Brian Downing (at least offensively)?

 

Career 122 OPS+. with a .370 OBP.

 

 

over-rated or under-rated? I always thought he was pretty under-rated.

 

 

I also agree with Steve Garvey. Probably the most over-rated player in the 70s.

 

Yeah, I was in the wrong thread. Meant to put that in underrated.