If season ends today, does Marmol get any MVP consideration?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

if any sportswriter does vote for him they should be fired immediately.

Umm, okay.

 

To answer the question, no, he won't get any votes. But we wouldn't be in first place without him.

 

there are like 12 guys on the team without whom the cubs wouldn't be in first place.

Marmol, Zambrano, Hill, Lilly, DLee, Ramirez, DeRosa, Theriot, Soriano... who else would you add to that list?

 

I hate Win Shares, but to make it simple I used them. Marmol is tied with Floyd and Dempster at 7 win shares. The players with more are Ramirez, Lee (1), Soriano (2), DeRosa (3), Zambrano (4), Theriot (5), Jones(6), Hill(7), Lilly(8), and Marquis(9). Marshall would probably be in front of him if he had been with the MLB club all year too, and Howry is right behind him. So, there's 12 guys you could make a case for.

[da bears]

hahahhahahahhahahaha

 

Oh man... hahahaha.

 

No.

 

haha this was about the same response i had.

[TruffleShuffle]

if any sportswriter does vote for him they should be fired immediately.

Umm, okay.

 

To answer the question, no, he won't get any votes. But we wouldn't be in first place without him.

 

we wouldn't be in first place without lee, ARam, hill, zambrano or lilly either... no mvp candidates in that list either

[bukie]

I hate Win Shares, but to make it simple I used them. Marmol is tied with Floyd and Dempster at 7 win shares. The players with more are Ramirez, Lee (1), Soriano (2), DeRosa (3), Zambrano (4), Theriot (5), Jones(6), Hill(7), Lilly(8), and Marquis(9). Marshall would probably be in front of him if he had been with the MLB club all year too, and Howry is right behind him. So, there's 12 guys you could make a case for.

 

An argument could be made that Marmol is the most valuable to the team for the time he's out there, but as a reliever his overall contribution simply can't compare to a starting pitcher or a positional player. http://www.hardballtimes.com has a Win Share "rate" stat that measures value per time, and Marmol does lead the team in that category (among players that actually logged significant time)

 

Also, I suppose if you wanted to look at it empirically (and really like Win Shares), 3 win shares = 1 win, so I suppose the Cubs wouldn't be in first place without any one of the players with at least 6 win shares. That includes Ramirez, Lee, Soriano, DeRosa, Zambrano, Theriot, Jones, Hill, Lilly, Marquis, Floyd, Marmol, Dempster, and Howry. Sounds about right.

[snoodmonger]

I think the real question is, what is Carlos' role with the team next year?

 

considering his usage, probably 60-day dl.

[Omar]

He's the unsung hero. So good you don't notice him.

[seanimal]

As long as Aramis Ramirez is our most productive offensive player I will always consider him the the MVP. But really, there are a lot of guys on the Cubs that if you take them out this team isn't performing at this level.

 

FWIW, Beyond the Box Score identified Marmol as one of the best non-closer relievers in baseball this year.

[Alfonso Soriano]

Marmol isn't a Yankee or Red Sox so therefore he automatically gets 0 votes

[Wilson A2000]

46 games, 7 times he has given up runs

[sethuel1]

I'd not stop at MVP; he should run for president.

[Brian]

He's not old enough :(

[MPC]

or a natural born U.S. citizen

[sethuel1]

minor problems

[Brian]

Geovony Soto = VP

[Chocolate Milk]

I love the internet!

[wolf stansson]

This thread is sensational.

[Tomarken]

46 games, 7 times he has given up runs

 

Wow.

 

Of course he's no league MVP, but he merits serious consideration for team MVP, IMO. I really like the way Lou uses him, he's put out a lot of fires. He's the difference between this team having a good bullpen or a shaky one.

[abuck1220]

Marmol isn't a Yankee or Red Sox so therefore he automatically gets 0 votes

 

the red sox have one mvp in the last 20 years. the yankees have one. the cubs have two. quit your whining.