8/17 Cardinals (Looper) @ Cubs (Hill) 1:20 WGN

[illiniguy]

I wish DLee hadn't swung at the first pitch. I thought Jacque deserved a curtain call. He has been my goat for a long time, but today, thus far, other than Hill, he's been the player of the game.

 

The sad thing is, if Jacque Jones hit 60 HRs and was given nightly curtain calls he would still never like the Cubs. For some reason, the Cubs fans just hated him like no other Cubs. Think about all of our bad FAs signings, none were ever hated as much as Jacque. The man hit a career high in HRs and was still hated by the Cubs. Not fair, and I feel really bad for the guy because you have to believe that he thinks racism is the reason.

 

Todd Hundley. Put away the race card.

He flipped off the fans. He brought that all on himself.

 

Whatever the reason, Hundley was more hated than JJ.

Think about the crap white guys who catch a pass though. Augie, Koyie Hill, Paul Baco. None of them caught what our black guys did.

 

That wasn't what was being discussed. I was contesting the comment that JJ was the most hated Cubs player.

If Hendry took the field they would boo him too.

I've never understood why Jones seemed to be hated more than Hendry for the signing. Jones was a mediocre player who was smart enough to sign with a team whose GM was dumb enough to offer a contract that the market wasn't calling for. Unlike LaTroy Hawkins who was a good relief pitcher who came to us and flat out stunk.

[treebird]

gale sayers sure does talk up his own individual stats a lot for a guy who longs for the good old days

[Electron Blue]

Whatever, I am probably wrong, but I can see why some think it exists.

 

So stop saying it and thinking it. Racism is illogical, and it exists (as a belief and an emotional scapegoat) because it's easy and illogical. Don't feed into that if you think you're "probably wrong."

[illiniguy]

Clay Buchholz with his first big league win.

[C.C.]

Cubs go 123. I would like to score more runs. Please!

[CubColtPacer]

Howry and Pie are in the game. Pie's in for Ward, Pie to center, Jones to right. Edited August 17, 2007 by CubColtPacer

[Careless]

The term "race card" is one of the most ignorant terms ever invented.

Don't like card metaphors?

[illiniguy]

I have a bad feeling about this game if we don't score more.

[BeerHere]

Need Hill to dominate today, set the tone for the rest of the series.

 

8ip

4h

1bb

8k

1er

 

I was freakishly close

 

Freakishly close. Almost like I've already seen this game.....

[Keener98]

Come on Howry, please dont suck

[Mizzou]

Wow, just foul there.

[C.C.]

Okay...Can't watch this. I'm taking a walk.

[synergy]

I still don't get the race card at all. They are athletes they should know that there will be a few jerks in attendance and will be screaming nonsense if they play badly. They should just ignore it, can't do anything about it. A racist remark is basically only as bad as saying to someone you suck or something. I don't believe there is that much racism going on nowadays. Just some black people trying to make a big deal out of nothing.

[illiniguy]

I still don't get the race card at all. They are athletes they should know that there will be a few jerks in attendance and will be screaming nonsense if they play badly. They should just ignore it, can't do anything about it. A racist remark is basically only as bad as saying to someone you suck or something. I don't believe there is that much racism going on nowadays. Just some black people trying to make a big deal out of nothing.

no it really isn't

[Mizzou]

I still don't get the race card at all. They are athletes they should know that there will be a few jerks in attendance and will be screaming nonsense if they play badly. They should just ignore it, can't do anything about it. A racist remark is basically only as bad as saying to someone you suck or something. I don't believe there is that much racism going on nowadays. Just some black people trying to make a big deal out of nothing.

Oh boy...

[UMFan83]

I wish DLee hadn't swung at the first pitch. I thought Jacque deserved a curtain call. He has been my goat for a long time, but today, thus far, other than Hill, he's been the player of the game.

 

The sad thing is, if Jacque Jones hit 60 HRs and was given nightly curtain calls he would still never like the Cubs. For some reason, the Cubs fans just hated him like no other Cubs. Think about all of our bad FAs signings, none were ever hated as much as Jacque. The man hit a career high in HRs and was still hated by the Cubs. Not fair, and I feel really bad for the guy because you have to believe that he thinks racism is the reason.

 

We hated Latroy Hawkins more. A lot more.

 

Todd Hundley too.

 

Based on performance... Cubs fans were ecstatic about the signing. Todd Hundley too. Cubs fans were ready to boo jacque heartily the moment he first stepped into the box at Wrigley.

 

I dont believe that at all. Jones started out horrible, and the team was horrible, and it free falled from there.

 

I don't see it that way. The Jacque Jones signing was vilified on boards like this. Cubs fans came out with pitchforks waiting to use them on Jacque it seems. They were booing him crazy on the first Saturday of the season because he started out 0-10 or something like that. These are his OPS by month last year: .748,.853,.896,.679,.881,.887. Those numbers, save 1-2 months are pretty consistent. Other than maybe his rough first week as a Cub and July when the whole team was horrible, there were no stretches where the fans needed to call him out and boo him. He finishes the season with 27 HR and a +.800 OPS and gets off to a slow start this season and immediately the booing continues.

[Keener98]

I still don't get the race card at all. They are athletes they should know that there will be a few jerks in attendance and will be screaming nonsense if they play badly. They should just ignore it, can't do anything about it. A racist remark is basically only as bad as saying to someone you suck or something. I don't believe there is that much racism going on nowadays. Just some black people trying to make a big deal out of nothing.

 

wow just wow

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Please tell me they're saving Marmol for Pujols in the 9th.

[apete6]

WTF, no Marmol?

 

Eat a bag, Lou

[CubsBears29]

Cmon Hernandez, the count is now 2-3!!!!... err, sorry, more like 0-3!!!!!!!!!!!

[cubscausestress]

sweet. spoon is a great band. not so much digging the newest album, but everything they've done is really good

[Electron Blue]

I still don't get the race card at all. They are athletes they should know that there will be a few jerks in attendance and will be screaming nonsense if they play badly. They should just ignore it, can't do anything about it. A racist remark is basically only as bad as saying to someone you suck or something. I don't believe there is that much racism going on nowadays. Just some black people trying to make a big deal out of nothing.

Oh boy...

 

what if he said "people trying to make a big deal out of nothing"? Left "black" out of it?

[Keener98]

I wish DLee hadn't swung at the first pitch. I thought Jacque deserved a curtain call. He has been my goat for a long time, but today, thus far, other than Hill, he's been the player of the game.

 

The sad thing is, if Jacque Jones hit 60 HRs and was given nightly curtain calls he would still never like the Cubs. For some reason, the Cubs fans just hated him like no other Cubs. Think about all of our bad FAs signings, none were ever hated as much as Jacque. The man hit a career high in HRs and was still hated by the Cubs. Not fair, and I feel really bad for the guy because you have to believe that he thinks racism is the reason.

 

We hated Latroy Hawkins more. A lot more.

 

Todd Hundley too.

 

Based on performance... Cubs fans were ecstatic about the signing. Todd Hundley too. Cubs fans were ready to boo jacque heartily the moment he first stepped into the box at Wrigley.

 

I dont believe that at all. Jones started out horrible, and the team was horrible, and it free falled from there.

 

I don't see it that way. The Jacque Jones signing was vilified on boards like this. Cubs fans came out with pitchforks waiting to use them on Jacque it seems. They were booing him crazy on the first Saturday of the season because he started out 0-10 or something like that. These are his OPS by month last year: .748,.853,.896,.679,.881,.887. Those numbers, save 1-2 months are pretty consistent. Other than maybe his rough first week as a Cub and July when the whole team was horrible, there were no stretches where the fans needed to call him out and boo him. He finishes the season with 27 HR and a +.800 OPS and gets off to a slow start this season and immediately the booing continues.

 

But JJ also brought up the fans to the media early on, and mentioned something about Latroy warning him or something, so he kind of did bring it on himself. He was the "fall guy" though for part of last season in some stupid fans eyes.

[Flames24Rulz]

Getting back on topic somewhat...

 

Nice bunt by Ryan.

[synergy]

I still don't get the race card at all. They are athletes they should know that there will be a few jerks in attendance and will be screaming nonsense if they play badly. They should just ignore it, can't do anything about it. A racist remark is basically only as bad as saying to someone you suck or something. I don't believe there is that much racism going on nowadays. Just some black people trying to make a big deal out of nothing.

Oh boy...

 

what if he said "people trying to make a big deal out of nothing"? Left "black" out of it?

 

In hindsight, I should have removed the word "black" out of it....my mistake. But my comment still stands. I think I should have used the words "people in general"