UPDATE: Red Sox Trade For Gagne

[rawaction]

I wish people would stop pretending another bullpen arm is the biggest need.

 

Gagne, Wood, Dempster, Howry, Wuertz, and Marmol from the right side of the pen. Not to mention Petrick, who has been great when he's been up. And the various others who have shown flashes.

 

Has there been a new Petrick added to the roster? The one who has pitched for the Cubs has been horrible, not great.

 

Turn your auto a-hole response off. I know people have been picking on you in this thread but I have not.

 

Oh yeah, and my point.....Petrick gave up 2 runs in his 1st outing (and made 1 pitch that was remotely bad) and 4 in his last outing. Other than that, he gave up 2 in 9 innings.

[italianocubsfan7]

yes! the trade I wanted the Cubs to make all along. To get Eric Gagne! What would it take? Sean Gallagher straight up? It's not like the Rangers are going anywhere and they get a pretty intriguing prospect in Gallagher. Plus, Gagne is a free agent after this year.

[jersey cubs fan]

I wish people would stop pretending another bullpen arm is the biggest need.

 

When Marquis and Hill are pitching, its a pretty big need. Getting more than 5 innings out of them is becoming a real stretch.

 

If you can't add a real impact in the OF, then I don't mind anymore. Almost changed my tune in 24 hours. Having a complete shutdown bullpen in the playoffs is a huge plus. Especially if we have to face Peavy and Young twice in a 5 game series.

 

They already have 7 arms out there, and they've got another handful of guys rotating in and out in the minors. Gagne isn't going to hurt the team, and it's not that I'd mind him being here at all, but it's not that exciting for a team with good pitching and mediocre hitting, including 4 big holes in the lineup, to get a reliever. People are listing bullpen as number 1 on the list all over the place, and it's just not the true. If he falls in their lap fine. But Jim doesn't have a great history adding veteran bullpen arms.

[nilodnayr]

I wish people would stop pretending another bullpen arm is the biggest need.

 

That's right. I forgot. You're only allowed to work on one trade at a time. So if they are talking to the Rangers about Gagne, they can't talk about a trade with anybody else.

 

There's no need to waste chips on Gagne. It's not about wasting valuable trade talking time, it's about wasting resources on acquiring him.

 

 

I think what is lost on many people is the possibility that an acquisition like Gagne or Silva opens up chips that small market teams want but the Cubs aren't currently willing to trade.

 

you pick up Gagne and Silva, and all of a sudden you can make Hill and Marmol available in a package with Murton for that big bat we are all hoping for.

 

ANd then we're screwed next year....

 

what's this 'next year' that you speak of?

the year the cubs are defending WS champs

[ConstableRabbit]

I wish people would stop pretending another bullpen arm is the biggest need.

Yep because Ohman and Eyre are great.

 

Because Gagne is left handed? I don't get it.

 

For what it's worth, Gagne has been pretty effective vs. lefties this season:

 

.143/.208/.163 in 49 AB

 

vs righties:

 

.170 .279 .264 in 53 ABs

 

 

But yes, I understand your point.

 

He could help for the right price.

[Tracer Bullet]

I wish people would stop pretending another bullpen arm is the biggest need.

 

Gagne, Wood, Dempster, Howry, Wuertz, and Marmol from the right side of the pen. Not to mention Petrick, who has been great when he's been up. And the various others who have shown flashes.

 

Has there been a new Petrick added to the roster? The one who has pitched for the Cubs has been horrible, not great.

 

Turn your auto a-hole response off. I know people have been picking on you in this thread but I have not.

 

Oh yeah, and my point.....Petrick gave up 2 runs in his 1st outing (and made 1 pitch that was remotely bad) and 4 in his last outing. Other than that, he gave up 2 in 9 innings.

 

That's BS. My premium doesn't come with an auto a-hole response. I have to type my a-hole responses each time. What's up with that, Tim?

[David]

Marmol's arm isn't going to fall off, especially with Wood coming this week.

 

I don't see how adding Silva makes Hill tradeable in the slightest.

 

We do not need another RH bullpen arm.

 

Not only do we not need it, it would be excessive. I don't see how we would use all of those guys.

[ThePenguin11]

Why the H wouldn't we need to get a guy like Gagne? Bullpens are so important for championship runs and there aren't even any viable bats available or worth trading the farm for. Don't think of Gagne as replacing Dempster so much as he'd be replacing some waste of innings like Petrick and strengthening the pen overall. Big picture folks.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why the H wouldn't we need to get a guy like Gagne? Bullpens are so important for championship runs and there aren't even any viable bats available or worth trading the farm for. Don't think of Gagne as replacing Dempster so much as he'd be replacing some waste of innings like Petrick and strengthening the pen overall. Big picture folks.

 

To reiterate, Wood will be taking Cherry's spot on the roster later this week. That means from the right side we'll have:

 

Dempster

Howry

Marmol

Wood

Wuertz

 

If Michael Wuertz is the worst of the 5 RH relievers you have, then you do not have any type of need for another one.

[jersey cubs fan]

I wish people would stop pretending another bullpen arm is the biggest need.

 

Gagne, Wood, Dempster, Howry, Wuertz, and Marmol from the right side of the pen. Not to mention Petrick, who has been great when he's been up. And the various others who have shown flashes.

 

Has there been a new Petrick added to the roster? The one who has pitched for the Cubs has been horrible, not great.

 

Turn your auto a-hole response off. I know people have been picking on you in this thread but I have not.

 

Oh yeah, and my point.....Petrick gave up 2 runs in his 1st outing (and made 1 pitch that was remotely bad) and 4 in his last outing. Other than that, he gave up 2 in 9 innings.

 

Excuse me? Auto A-hole? I'm not going to apologize for pointing out Petrick has been far from great.

[rawaction]

I wish people would stop pretending another bullpen arm is the biggest need.

 

Gagne, Wood, Dempster, Howry, Wuertz, and Marmol from the right side of the pen. Not to mention Petrick, who has been great when he's been up. And the various others who have shown flashes.

 

Has there been a new Petrick added to the roster? The one who has pitched for the Cubs has been horrible, not great.

 

Turn your auto a-hole response off. I know people have been picking on you in this thread but I have not.

 

Oh yeah, and my point.....Petrick gave up 2 runs in his 1st outing (and made 1 pitch that was remotely bad) and 4 in his last outing. Other than that, he gave up 2 in 9 innings.

 

Excuse me? Auto A-hole? I'm not going to apologize for pointing out Petrick has been far from great.

 

Didn't ask you to apologize, but the obvious sarcasm was completely uncalled for.

 

Petrick's also been far from horrible. Again, he gave up 4 runs in his last outing. He gave up 2 right before that with a shutout inning in between. And 7 scoreless leading up to that.

[jersey cubs fan]

Petrick's also been far from horrible. Again, he gave up 4 runs in his last outing. He gave up 2 right before that with a shutout inning in between. And 7 scoreless leading up to that.

 

In my opinion, that's horrible relief work. He's got a 1.55 WHIP and 7.45 ERA. He's got a 6/7 K/BB ratio in 9 2/3 innings. That's awful.

[bsucubsfan]

The idea of trading is to improve your team. Gagne instantly becomes our best arm in the bullpen and gives a different look wiht his change than marmol and wood would give with a slider. Who cares if our relievers are right handed or left handed. lefties off eyre .304 and righties 368. no way he should be on a major league roster right now. Gagne makes this team alot better. By having Gagne in waiting. It makes managers maybe pinch hit for a starting pitcher in a close game sooner to try and get to another reliever. Gagne is a game changer. Would be a great addition to the pen. He would also allow woody more days off having more stability in the pen. Marmol and Wuertz are tough on lefties with their sliders. Ohman 209 agianst lefties is ok, not great but adequate.

[JeffH]

Why the H wouldn't we need to get a guy like Gagne? Bullpens are so important for championship runs and there aren't even any viable bats available or worth trading the farm for. Don't think of Gagne as replacing Dempster so much as he'd be replacing some waste of innings like Petrick and strengthening the pen overall. Big picture folks.

 

To reiterate, Wood will be taking Cherry's spot on the roster later this week. That means from the right side we'll have:

 

Dempster

Howry

Marmol

Wood

Wuertz

 

If Michael Wuertz is the worst of the 5 RH relievers you have, then you do not have any type of need for another one.

 

Batting Practice Bob is anything but reliable right now.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why the H wouldn't we need to get a guy like Gagne? Bullpens are so important for championship runs and there aren't even any viable bats available or worth trading the farm for. Don't think of Gagne as replacing Dempster so much as he'd be replacing some waste of innings like Petrick and strengthening the pen overall. Big picture folks.

 

To reiterate, Wood will be taking Cherry's spot on the roster later this week. That means from the right side we'll have:

 

Dempster

Howry

Marmol

Wood

Wuertz

 

If Michael Wuertz is the worst of the 5 RH relievers you have, then you do not have any type of need for another one.

 

Batting Practice Bob is anything but reliable right now.

 

He's given up a run in 6 of his last 27 outings. Since May ended he's had a WHIP right at 1, a K/9 above 9, a K/BB above 6, and only 2 HR in 26 innings. He's fine right now.

[inari]

Just mentioned this on the Score. Interesting.

[anabiono]

the more i think about this...the more i am actually getting exciting...

 

although, it all depends on what we are giving up

 

but if it doesn't affect the rotation...i am all for it

 

and of course...if it doesn't include murton because we are going to need him

[Soul]

I guess ultimately if Gagne's still pitching well I wouldn't mind a BP of Wood, Gagne, Marmol, and Dempster + riff raff

 

That would rock. Not saying I think it will happen because it seems like it won't. But I wouldn't be throwing furniture or anything if it did.

[ConstableRabbit]

I always thought those "Game Over" Gagne shirts were cool. I'd be down for this trade if something made them with a Cubs logo/Cubs colors.

[anabiono]

I guess ultimately if Gagne's still pitching well I wouldn't mind a BP of Wood, Gagne, Marmol, and Dempster + riff raff

 

That would rock. Not saying I think it will happen because it seems like it won't. But I wouldn't be throwing furniture or anything if it did.

 

lol at the furniture throwing...i am hoping nothing happens in the next few hours to make me get my break on either

[Burtonbell]

What would Texas want for Gagne anyways?

[circlecitycub]

With Gagne's name getting thrown about could Sosa be a part of the package as well?

[anabiono]

With Gagne's name getting thrown about could Sosa be a part of the package as well?

 

if so, parting with murton isn't that bad...but if we aren't getting a bat...letting murton go is really stupid IMO

[Burtonbell]

With Gagne's name getting thrown about could Sosa be a part of the package as well?

 

Oh God I hope not.

[E.J.]

Buster Olney just said on BBTN that the Red Sox are still the front runners for Gagne.