Levine: Cubs are happy with what they got

[Rusch33]

outside of RF what is out there that he could really improve on?

 

C, SS, and CF

 

Would you like to tell me who's avaliable in those positions because I don't see very many options there.

[rickrolled]

Gammons just said the Cubs still might pick up a RH outfielder, mentioned Bobby Kielty by name specifically.

 

ugh, great

[Bruno7481]

Gammons just said the Cubs still might pick up a RH outfielder, mentioned Bobby Kielty by name specifically.

 

ugh, great

 

He was speculating about Kielty, didn't mention any specific discussions or anything.

[IWU_CUBS_FAN]

Gammons just said the Cubs still might pick up a RH outfielder, mentioned Bobby Kielty by name specifically.

 

ugh, great

 

He was speculating about Kielty, didn't mention any specific discussions or anything.

yea, i dont think he meant kielty specifically. I just think he wanted to make the point of adding a RH outfielder....so i wouldnt mind dye if its gonna be right handed hitter (but not if marmol is in the talks)

[rickrolled]

Gammons just said the Cubs still might pick up a RH outfielder, mentioned Bobby Kielty by name specifically.

 

ugh, great

 

He was speculating about Kielty, didn't mention any specific discussions or anything.

yea, i dont think he meant kielty specifically. I just think he wanted to make the point of adding a RH outfielder....so i wouldnt mind dye if its gonna be right handed hitter (but not if marmol is in the talks)

 

oh yeah I agree, I'm just hoping Hendry sets his sights a little higher than Bobby Kielty if he makes a deal.

[CubColtPacer]

Gammons just said the Cubs still might pick up a RH outfielder, mentioned Bobby Kielty by name specifically.

 

ugh, great

 

He was speculating about Kielty, didn't mention any specific discussions or anything.

 

Kielty would basically be a platoon bat-similar to how they were wanting to go after Payton, but in this case they can always let go of Kielty in the offseason if they want to (while Payton had another year on his deal). His numbers against left-handers the last few years:

 

2003: .300/.417/.550

2004: .259/.338/.491

2005: .322/.398/.469

2006: .325/.358/.607

 

He was designated for assignment, so he should come pretty cheap (although the Red Sox are said to want him as well). He just came off the DL a couple of weeks ago, so he really hasn't done anything in 2007 at all. If they aren't going to make any other moves anyway, I wouldn't mind them taking a look because Kielty could help the ballclub.

[Flames24Rulz]

Gammons just said the Cubs still might pick up a RH outfielder, mentioned Bobby Kielty by name specifically.

 

ugh, great

 

He was speculating about Kielty, didn't mention any specific discussions or anything.

yea, i dont think he meant kielty specifically. I just think he wanted to make the point of adding a RH outfielder....so i wouldnt mind dye if its gonna be right handed hitter (but not if marmol is in the talks)

 

oh yeah I agree, I'm just hoping Hendry sets his sights a little higher than Bobby Kielty if he makes a deal.

 

Agreed.

[dew1679666265]

Ok so when does it come more than cliche? Tomorrow after 3 pm when the deadline has passed, and the Cubs have made no deals? I will be the first one to say i was wrong if Hendry makes a move, but I dont see it happening. He thinks we are fine with Cliff Floyd in right because he is "hopeful his power will come back". Hes happy with Jones "because hes had a hot month". Hes happy with Angel. Those quotes are straight from Hendrys mouth, and I truly think he believes it. Like I said if Im wrong Ill admit it, but I doubt Im wrong.

 

If a trade isn't made, does that necessarily mean Hendry didn't try? I realize he made the statements that he's happy with the current roster, but never indicated he had no desire to improve the team. In fact, he said if the opportunity arose to improve the team, he'd do it.

To me, that sounds as if he's at least trying to make the current roster better.

The problem is, though, that all these statements I've seen from Hendry are cliches. Of course a general manager is going to say he wants to improve the team, just like any GM is going to say he's happy with the current situation if a move isn't made. They're all pretty much worthless in the general discussion, especially given the fact that people such as Bruce have said he's been making a concerted effort to get a trade done. That gives me the idea he feels there is some need to improve things.

 

I'll be just as disappointed as anybody if nothing's done, but given the potential trade rumors I've heard (Dye for Marmol, Pie for Laird) if that's what other GMs are demanding, it hurts us more than helps to get a deal done.

Apparently, from everything I've heard, the sellers are simply asking for more than Hendry is willing to pay for mostly mediocre upgrades. The only significant upgrades out there, Griffey and Dunn, are either very possibly not available (Griffey) or far too pricey (Dunn).

 

Therefore, I'll be disappointed if a trade isn't made, but won't blame Hendry for this particular occurence. In fact, it may be to his credit that he won't sell the farm for slight upgrades.

[Rob]

outside of RF what is out there that he could really improve on?

 

C, SS, and CF

 

Would you like to tell me who's avaliable in those positions because I don't see very many options there.

 

Some upper-mid level options that could certainly be had? Ramon Hernandez, Edgar Renteria, and Torii Hunter.

 

Before you get to it, I know you'll doubt Edgar Renteria, but everything I've heard indicates that Atlanta is willing to part with him for some starting pitching. Schuerholz is apparently real high on Yunel Escobar. We could work a three-way deal with Cinci where Arroyo goes to Atlanta, Renteria comes here, and our prospects go to Cinci, and maybe another to Atlanta.

[GaborBako]

The Cubs have lousy catchers, a terrible center fielder and an injury prone left fielder, but do you really think they need a shortstop?

 

Since the All-Star Break Theriot's been the every day SS and he's hit .293 with a .388 on base average and stolen five bases. That doesn't include his 2-4 tonight with a homer.

 

Then again, a lot of people around here wanted the job handed to the great Ronny Cedeno when he came back up. Ronny's heads up play was on display again tonight when Hamels walked Murton and Kendall on ten pitches to get into the only real jam he had all night and Ronny can't be troubled to take a strike. He swings at a pitch in the dirt on the first pitch and pops it up for the second out.

 

Shortstop isn't a problem. Theriot might not be the answer for ten years, but he's doing the job right now.

[Rob]

The Cubs have lousy catchers, a terrible center fielder and an injury prone left fielder, but do you really think they need a shortstop?

 

Since the All-Star Break Theriot's been the every day SS and he's hit .293 with a .388 on base average and stolen five bases. That doesn't include his 2-4 tonight with a homer.

 

Then again, a lot of people around here wanted the job handed to the great Ronny Cedeno when he came back up. Ronny's heads up play was on display again tonight when Hamels walked Murton and Kendall on ten pitches to get into the only real jam he had all night and Ronny can't be troubled to take a strike. He swings at a pitch in the dirt on the first pitch and pops it up for the second out.

 

Shortstop isn't a problem. Theriot might not be the answer for ten years, but he's doing the job right now.

 

Leave it to rotoworld to put everything in perspective.

 

He finished the first three months with a .258 average and 20 walks in 233 at-bats.

 

Which version of Theriot are we gonna get the rest of the way? Do you really wanna risk getting the one from earlier this season?

[Rusch33]

The Cubs have lousy catchers, a terrible center fielder and an injury prone left fielder, but do you really think they need a shortstop?

 

Since the All-Star Break Theriot's been the every day SS and he's hit .293 with a .388 on base average and stolen five bases. That doesn't include his 2-4 tonight with a homer.

 

Then again, a lot of people around here wanted the job handed to the great Ronny Cedeno when he came back up. Ronny's heads up play was on display again tonight when Hamels walked Murton and Kendall on ten pitches to get into the only real jam he had all night and Ronny can't be troubled to take a strike. He swings at a pitch in the dirt on the first pitch and pops it up for the second out.

 

Shortstop isn't a problem. Theriot might not be the answer for ten years, but he's doing the job right now.

 

Leave it to rotoworld to put everything in perspective.

 

He finished the first three months with a .258 average and 20 walks in 233 at-bats.

 

Which version of Theriot are we gonna get the rest of the way? Do you really wanna risk getting the one from earlier this season?

 

And you want Ronny Cedeno is start with his .150 average?

[Rob]

The Cubs have lousy catchers, a terrible center fielder and an injury prone left fielder, but do you really think they need a shortstop?

 

Since the All-Star Break Theriot's been the every day SS and he's hit .293 with a .388 on base average and stolen five bases. That doesn't include his 2-4 tonight with a homer.

 

Then again, a lot of people around here wanted the job handed to the great Ronny Cedeno when he came back up. Ronny's heads up play was on display again tonight when Hamels walked Murton and Kendall on ten pitches to get into the only real jam he had all night and Ronny can't be troubled to take a strike. He swings at a pitch in the dirt on the first pitch and pops it up for the second out.

 

Shortstop isn't a problem. Theriot might not be the answer for ten years, but he's doing the job right now.

 

Leave it to rotoworld to put everything in perspective.

 

He finished the first three months with a .258 average and 20 walks in 233 at-bats.

 

Which version of Theriot are we gonna get the rest of the way? Do you really wanna risk getting the one from earlier this season?

 

And you want Ronny Cedeno is start with his .150 average?

 

I think I stated quite clearly before that we should make a move for a guy like Renteria.

[Rusch33]

The Cubs have lousy catchers, a terrible center fielder and an injury prone left fielder, but do you really think they need a shortstop?

 

Since the All-Star Break Theriot's been the every day SS and he's hit .293 with a .388 on base average and stolen five bases. That doesn't include his 2-4 tonight with a homer.

 

Then again, a lot of people around here wanted the job handed to the great Ronny Cedeno when he came back up. Ronny's heads up play was on display again tonight when Hamels walked Murton and Kendall on ten pitches to get into the only real jam he had all night and Ronny can't be troubled to take a strike. He swings at a pitch in the dirt on the first pitch and pops it up for the second out.

 

Shortstop isn't a problem. Theriot might not be the answer for ten years, but he's doing the job right now.

 

Leave it to rotoworld to put everything in perspective.

 

He finished the first three months with a .258 average and 20 walks in 233 at-bats.

 

Which version of Theriot are we gonna get the rest of the way? Do you really wanna risk getting the one from earlier this season?

 

And you want Ronny Cedeno is start with his .150 average?

 

I think I stated quite clearly before that we should make a move for a guy like Renteria.

 

You do realize that the Braves are in the same playoff hunt as the Cubs? They're no way they're going to give the Cubs Renteria for basically prospects.

 

Maybe if the Cubs were in the AL.

[Wheelimus]

We wouldn't get Renteria for anything less than one of the pitchers in our rotation. And they wouldn't take Marquis.

 

Not worth it.

[dew1679666265]

outside of RF what is out there that he could really improve on?

 

C, SS, and CF

 

Would you like to tell me who's avaliable in those positions because I don't see very many options there.

 

Some upper-mid level options that could certainly be had? Ramon Hernandez, Edgar Renteria, and Torii Hunter.

 

Before you get to it, I know you'll doubt Edgar Renteria, but everything I've heard indicates that Atlanta is willing to part with him for some starting pitching. Schuerholz is apparently real high on Yunel Escobar. We could work a three-way deal with Cinci where Arroyo goes to Atlanta, Renteria comes here, and our prospects go to Cinci, and maybe another to Atlanta.

 

I would absolutely love to add Renteria. The question I have, though, is do we have the starting pitching to get him. It's really inexplicable that Schuerholz was willing to part with Renteria for Jon Garland, but was he willing to do it because he values Renteria so little or (for whatever odd reason) he values Garland so much?

Is it not possible that he doesn't feel Marshall will continue his production to this point and that he is either uninterested or unable to take on Marquis' 2 more years? That leaves only Hill who could help the rotation this year that we could offer, and it's quite likely that Hendry feels that's too high a price to pay for Renteria. I'd be willing to give up Marquis or Marshall in a trade that improves the offense significantly, but I'm afraid losing Hill would hurt the rotation too much, despite how much I'd love to get Renteria.

[Rob]

The Cubs have lousy catchers, a terrible center fielder and an injury prone left fielder, but do you really think they need a shortstop?

 

Since the All-Star Break Theriot's been the every day SS and he's hit .293 with a .388 on base average and stolen five bases. That doesn't include his 2-4 tonight with a homer.

 

Then again, a lot of people around here wanted the job handed to the great Ronny Cedeno when he came back up. Ronny's heads up play was on display again tonight when Hamels walked Murton and Kendall on ten pitches to get into the only real jam he had all night and Ronny can't be troubled to take a strike. He swings at a pitch in the dirt on the first pitch and pops it up for the second out.

 

Shortstop isn't a problem. Theriot might not be the answer for ten years, but he's doing the job right now.

 

Leave it to rotoworld to put everything in perspective.

 

He finished the first three months with a .258 average and 20 walks in 233 at-bats.

 

Which version of Theriot are we gonna get the rest of the way? Do you really wanna risk getting the one from earlier this season?

 

And you want Ronny Cedeno is start with his .150 average?

 

I think I stated quite clearly before that we should make a move for a guy like Renteria.

 

You do realize that the Braves are in the same playoff hunt as the Cubs? They're no way they're going to give the Cubs Renteria for basically prospects.

 

Maybe if the Cubs were in the AL.

 

Did you even bother reading my earlier post?

 

JS absolutely loves Yunel Escobar, and has been offering up Edgar Renteria in deals for starting pitchers like Jon Garland because he feels comfortable with what he has to cover SS.

 

Atlanta has been talking to Cinci trying to get Arroyo.

 

I think that's the perfect situation for a three-way trade. Renteria to the Cubs, Arroyo to the Braves, and Cubs prospects to Cinci and perhaps another prospect to the Braves.

[dew1679666265]

The Cubs have lousy catchers, a terrible center fielder and an injury prone left fielder, but do you really think they need a shortstop?

 

Since the All-Star Break Theriot's been the every day SS and he's hit .293 with a .388 on base average and stolen five bases. That doesn't include his 2-4 tonight with a homer.

 

Then again, a lot of people around here wanted the job handed to the great Ronny Cedeno when he came back up. Ronny's heads up play was on display again tonight when Hamels walked Murton and Kendall on ten pitches to get into the only real jam he had all night and Ronny can't be troubled to take a strike. He swings at a pitch in the dirt on the first pitch and pops it up for the second out.

 

Shortstop isn't a problem. Theriot might not be the answer for ten years, but he's doing the job right now.

 

Leave it to rotoworld to put everything in perspective.

 

He finished the first three months with a .258 average and 20 walks in 233 at-bats.

 

Which version of Theriot are we gonna get the rest of the way? Do you really wanna risk getting the one from earlier this season?

 

And you want Ronny Cedeno is start with his .150 average?

 

I think I stated quite clearly before that we should make a move for a guy like Renteria.

 

You do realize that the Braves are in the same playoff hunt as the Cubs? They're no way they're going to give the Cubs Renteria for basically prospects.

 

Maybe if the Cubs were in the AL.

 

Did you even bother reading my earlier post?

 

JS absolutely loves Yunel Escobar, and has been offering up Edgar Renteria in deals for starting pitchers like Jon Garland because he feels comfortable with what he has to cover SS.

 

Atlanta has been talking to Cinci trying to get Arroyo.

 

I think that's the perfect situation for a three-way trade. Renteria to the Cubs, Arroyo to the Braves, and Cubs prospects to Cinci and perhaps another prospect to the Braves.

 

The question I have to this is, what prospects are you willing to give up and what are the Reds asking for. If they want Pie, Gallagher and Murton for Arroyo (Renteria to us) would you do it? With what Krivsky's apparently asking for Dunn (and the fact that Krivsky just seems to be an idiot), I'm not sure that's a ridiculous thought.

 

Much as I like Renteria, I really don't think I'd give up Pie to get him. If it could be done with Murton as the centerpiece, I'd say Hendry would have done it long ago.

[Rusch33]

The Cubs have lousy catchers, a terrible center fielder and an injury prone left fielder, but do you really think they need a shortstop?

 

Since the All-Star Break Theriot's been the every day SS and he's hit .293 with a .388 on base average and stolen five bases. That doesn't include his 2-4 tonight with a homer.

 

Then again, a lot of people around here wanted the job handed to the great Ronny Cedeno when he came back up. Ronny's heads up play was on display again tonight when Hamels walked Murton and Kendall on ten pitches to get into the only real jam he had all night and Ronny can't be troubled to take a strike. He swings at a pitch in the dirt on the first pitch and pops it up for the second out.

 

Shortstop isn't a problem. Theriot might not be the answer for ten years, but he's doing the job right now.

 

Leave it to rotoworld to put everything in perspective.

 

He finished the first three months with a .258 average and 20 walks in 233 at-bats.

 

Which version of Theriot are we gonna get the rest of the way? Do you really wanna risk getting the one from earlier this season?

 

And you want Ronny Cedeno is start with his .150 average?

 

I think I stated quite clearly before that we should make a move for a guy like Renteria.

 

You do realize that the Braves are in the same playoff hunt as the Cubs? They're no way they're going to give the Cubs Renteria for basically prospects.

 

Maybe if the Cubs were in the AL.

 

Did you even bother reading my earlier post?

 

JS absolutely loves Yunel Escobar, and has been offering up Edgar Renteria in deals for starting pitchers like Jon Garland because he feels comfortable with what he has to cover SS.

 

Atlanta has been talking to Cinci trying to get Arroyo.

 

I think that's the perfect situation for a three-way trade. Renteria to the Cubs, Arroyo to the Braves, and Cubs prospects to Cinci and perhaps another prospect to the Braves.

 

Yes, I read your post.

 

Would you want to give rid of Rich Hill for Renteria? No way, they'll take just Marshall and they aren't going to take Marquis.

[Balsa]

I'm not gonna blame Hendry for skipping this trading deadline.

 

Sure C could be improved, but SS is a weakness on almost every team, and I think RF will improve, as will CF once Pie starts playing again.

 

Basically, there's not a lot out there to like.

 

Renteria, maybe, but Atlanta's price would be outrageous and most likely involve Gallagher. So I wouldn't want to do that.

[NCCubFan]

You must be a Kool-aid drinker too

 

:wink:

Kool-Aid can be refreshing during the summer. :bluekoolaid:

[nilodnayr]

We wouldn't get Renteria for anything less than one of the pitchers in our rotation. And they wouldn't take Marquis.

 

Not worth it.

 

Any deal for Renteria would be a 3 team deal, plain and simple. The Braves are running out of prospects they are willing to deal, but want another SP. Both the whitesox (Garland) and the reds (Arroyo) are looking for prospects to rebuild. I wouldn't give them the world, but I think we could work out a three team swap without damaging our farm.

 

Plus Boston is paying a chunk of Renterias salary and hes signed for 08 as well.

[anabiono]

is there anyway we could pull off a deal with billy beane for blanton

 

?

 

:P

[nilodnayr]

is there anyway we could pull off a deal with billy beane for blanton

 

?

 

:P

 

We don't have one guy that could sniff any of the three that are being reported in the deal for Blanton.

[Schwarber Fan]

I'm ready to say that Theriot is the everyday SS and m perfectly comfortable with that.