Ideas about Murton

[frostwyrm]

Unless Murton's going to be dealt to get a serious bat, he deserves a chance to play in right every single day.

why? It's not tryout camp. He failed early and why should he replace anyone?

 

 

exactly. Murton was brought up to be a pinchhitter and an occassional starter. That is what he should be unless he proves himself differently.

 

Oh god. Compare last season's stats of our entire OF and tell me who the top three are. Until then, try to talk about something else. You may make sense that way.

 

You seem to be the one not making any sense. You now have a manager that says if you hit you play. Matt didn't and isn't.

 

Using last year's stats, is totally meaningless. Gee, why not bring back Todd Walker?

 

Why is Floyd playing then? Essentially he's Jeromy Burnitz with a lot less defense, power, and durability, but a bit more OBP. That's really not a very good player.

[DiamondMind]

I hope Murton's traded just so I can read more than 2 or 3 threads on this forum without being inundated with whining about how awesome he supossedly is. Oh wait, as a corner OF he had a 809 ops in 400 something AB's once. WOW what a player!!

 

Seriously, get over it.

[Sosa21MVP]

Murton just got called up a couple days ago, and you guys are already having a hissy fit because he hasn't started?

 

 

The love for Murton is approaching the same zeal as the love for the long gone Choi.

 

Bobby Hill, Jason Dubois, etc.

 

Career major league numbers:

 

Matt Murton: 293/363/440

Hee Seop Choi: 240/349/437

Bobby Hill: 262/343/350

Jason Dubois: 233/286/443

 

 

Bad comparison.

 

Why? It remains true in my eyes that people here overvalue homegrown talent by a far margin. For a corner OF those numbers aren't exactly favorable to Murton he barely provides any more power than Choi or Dubois in a corner OF position unless you are looking for the corner OF equivalent of Mark Grace at 1B. Minus the gold glove fielding ability of course.

[Lockes Eye Scar]

I hope Murton's traded just so I can read more than 2 or 3 threads on this forum without being inundated with whining about how awesome he supossedly is. Oh wait, as a corner OF he had a 800 in 400 something AB's once. WOW what a player!!

 

Seriously, get over it.

 

my golden shrine to Matt Murton will be worshipped at daily regardless. Would you care to offer the blood of your first born to the God of Baseball?

[Keener98]

I hope Murton's traded just so I can read more than 2 or 3 threads on this forum without being inundated with whining about how awesome he supossedly is. Oh wait, as a corner OF he had a 809 ops in 400 something AB's once. WOW what a player!!

 

Seriously, get over it.

 

Why even open the damn thread that has Murtons name in it if you have such a big damn problem with it? I think you are the one who needs to get over it, if you dont want to hear about Murton then dont open the damn thread, its that simple, so seriously get over it.

[DiamondMind]

I hope Murton's traded just so I can read more than 2 or 3 threads on this forum without being inundated with whining about how awesome he supossedly is. Oh wait, as a corner OF he had a 809 ops in 400 something AB's once. WOW what a player!!

 

Seriously, get over it.

 

Why even open the damn thread that has Murtons name in it if you have such a big damn problem with it? I think you are the one who needs to get over it, if you dont want to hear about Murton then dont open the damn thread, its that simple, so seriously get over it.

 

Well, I cant get enough of peoples overreactions to murton bashing. I need to write a few of them down and start a collection for a book.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I hope Murton's traded just so I can read more than 2 or 3 threads on this forum without being inundated with whining about how awesome he supossedly is. Oh wait, as a corner OF he had a 809 ops in 400 something AB's once. WOW what a player!!

 

Seriously, get over it.

 

Ranting about people having an irrational love for Murton after they make points that you didn't/can't refute probably isn't going to help.

[TruffleShuffle]

Murton just got called up a couple days ago, and you guys are already having a hissy fit because he hasn't started?

 

 

The love for Murton is approaching the same zeal as the love for the long gone Choi.

 

Bobby Hill, Jason Dubois, etc.

 

Career major league numbers:

 

Matt Murton: 293/363/440

Hee Seop Choi: 240/349/437

Bobby Hill: 262/343/350

Jason Dubois: 233/286/443

 

 

Bad comparison.

 

Why? It remains true in my eyes that people here overvalue homegrown talent by a far margin. For a corner OF those numbers aren't exactly favorable to Murton he barely provides any more power than Choi or Dubois in a corner OF position unless you are looking for the corner OF equivalent of Mark Grace at 1B. Minus the gold glove fielding ability of course.

 

1B on average have a 275/358/458/814 line this year, whereas the average RF has a line of 275/344/438/783 line. So the average RF does not hit quite as well as the average 1B. Add in the fact that Murton's career OBP is 14 points higher, and it's not hard to see that he's more valuable than Choi. Dubois' OBP was Neifi-esque, so there's no point even comparing him.

 

the point is, people are saying that folks on this board have an infatuation with murton because he's home-grown and young... but really, the reason people want him playing is because he can produce at a higher level than the guys currently playing RF for the cubs. And because we're all racists.

[DiamondMind]

I hope Murton's traded just so I can read more than 2 or 3 threads on this forum without being inundated with whining about how awesome he supossedly is. Oh wait, as a corner OF he had a 809 ops in 400 something AB's once. WOW what a player!!

 

Seriously, get over it.

 

Ranting about people having an irrational love for Murton after they make points that you didn't/can't refute probably isn't going to help.

 

I really don't care what people think, Im not trying to 'prove' anything, unlike you. I just really am sick of people worshiping Murton, its no more complicated than that.

[TruffleShuffle]

I hope Murton's traded just so I can read more than 2 or 3 threads on this forum without being inundated with whining about how awesome he supossedly is. Oh wait, as a corner OF he had a 809 ops in 400 something AB's once. WOW what a player!!

 

Seriously, get over it.

 

oh hey look, diamondmind posting that he doesn't think murton is good, but not providing an alternate solution for the lack of production in rightfield!

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I hope Murton's traded just so I can read more than 2 or 3 threads on this forum without being inundated with whining about how awesome he supossedly is. Oh wait, as a corner OF he had a 809 ops in 400 something AB's once. WOW what a player!!

 

Seriously, get over it.

 

Ranting about people having an irrational love for Murton after they make points that you didn't/can't refute probably isn't going to help.

 

I really don't care what people think, Im not trying to 'prove' anything, unlike you. I just really am sick of people worshiping Murton, its no more complicated than that.

 

Please, please, please, please, please, stop with the hyperbole. For the trillionth time(that's intentional irony for those curious), people do not think Murton is Ted Williams reincarnate. They think he is better than our current options in RF(which is essentially a Floyd/Fontenot platoon), who have not been very good overall, and have been downright terrible recently.

[DiamondMind]

I hope Murton's traded just so I can read more than 2 or 3 threads on this forum without being inundated with whining about how awesome he supossedly is. Oh wait, as a corner OF he had a 809 ops in 400 something AB's once. WOW what a player!!

 

Seriously, get over it.

 

oh hey look, diamondmind posting that he doesn't think murton is good, but not providing an alternate solution for the lack of production in rightfield!

 

I fail to see the purpose in rehashing trading for Griffey, keeping Floyd ungimped, etc etc. What do you want from me?

[TruffleShuffle]

I hope Murton's traded just so I can read more than 2 or 3 threads on this forum without being inundated with whining about how awesome he supossedly is. Oh wait, as a corner OF he had a 809 ops in 400 something AB's once. WOW what a player!!

 

Seriously, get over it.

 

oh hey look, diamondmind posting that he doesn't think murton is good, but not providing an alternate solution for the lack of production in rightfield!

 

I fail to see the purpose in rehashing trading for Griffey, keeping Floyd ungimped, etc etc. What do you want from me?

 

Well I think 99% of the board would prefer Griffey in RF, but it dependsd on the price that you're paying for him.

 

Otherwise, you're stuck with in-house options. Keeping Floyd "ungimped"? What do you propose we do, equip him with a robot's body? He's brittle and old, there's nothing you can do about that.

[rickrolled]

the sooner you accept Murton as your lord and savior the better

[soccer10k]

Unless Murton's going to be dealt to get a serious bat, he deserves a chance to play in right every single day.

why? It's not tryout camp. He failed early and why should he replace anyone?

 

 

exactly. Murton was brought up to be a pinchhitter and an occassional starter. That is what he should be unless he proves himself differently.

 

How exactly is Murton supposed to prove himself when he gets 8 AB's a week (which is about what he would get as "a pinchhitter and an occasional starter")?

[soccer10k]

I think it's pretty clear that Murton is the best option to play in RF all the time and I'm not quite sure how some people fail to realize this. Murton last year put up a .295/.356/.426/.782 against righties in 319 AB's in 2006. Floyd has put up a line of .293/.356/.397/.753 line against righties in 174 AB's in 2007.

 

And Floyd hits righties better than lefties whereas Murton is the opposite.

[Tracer Bullet]

I hope Murton's traded just so I can read more than 2 or 3 threads on this forum without being inundated with whining about how awesome he supossedly is. Oh wait, as a corner OF he had a 809 ops in 400 something AB's once. WOW what a player!!

 

Seriously, get over it.

 

Why even open the damn thread that has Murtons name in it if you have such a big damn problem with it? I think you are the one who needs to get over it, if you dont want to hear about Murton then dont open the damn thread, its that simple, so seriously get over it.

 

Well, I cant get enough of peoples overreactions to murton bashing. I need to write a few of them down and start a collection for a book.

 

Admitted trolling. That's not something you see everyday around here.

[Peoriaman]

Unless Murton's going to be dealt to get a serious bat, he deserves a chance to play in right every single day.

why? It's not tryout camp. He failed early and why should he replace anyone?

 

 

exactly. Murton was brought up to be a pinchhitter and an occassional starter. That is what he should be unless he proves himself differently.

 

How exactly is Murton supposed to prove himself when he gets 8 AB's a week (which is about what he would get as "a pinchhitter and an occasional starter")?

 

 

That is the hue and cry of every bench player. Everybody can't start every day.

 

 

You prove yourself when given a starting position at the start of this year (he failed here) and you prove yourself when given limited at-bats by hitting well. Murton will get more at-bats if he hits well in the at-bats he gets. Patience and quality will rise to the top.

 

I said the same thing with everybody's favorite--Choi--that if he was really a quality guy, the cream would rise to the top. It never did. If Murton is a big time hitter--he will show it and get more at-bats.

Edited July 30, 2007 by Peoriaman

[katway]

Murton's fielding and Floyd's decent play = less playing time for Matt. The fact is that Soriano is set in left and Murton really can't field another outfield position. He simply looks lost in right field. It's a sad state of affairs when Cliff Floyd is a better fielder, but for all of Floyds faults as a fielder, he's not as bad as Morton. It seems that Floyd has given the team hitting production similar to Murton's last year (as well as some quality clutch hitting) and is the better fielder between the two. All things being equal in a penant race, I can understand Lou sticking with Floyd -- same production, slightly better fielder, veteran, clutch hitting.

[Keener98]

Murton's fielding and Floyd's decent play = less playing time for Matt. The fact is that Soriano is set in left and Murton really can't field another outfield position. He simply looks lost in right field. It's a sad state of affairs when Cliff Floyd is a better fielder, but for all of Floyds faults as a fielder, he's not as bad as Morton. It seems that Floyd has given the team hitting production similar to Murton's last year (as well as some quality clutch hitting) and is the better fielder between the two. All things being equal in a penant race, I can understand Lou sticking with Floyd -- same production, slightly better fielder, veteran, clutch hitting.

 

thats not true

[Tracer Bullet]

Murton's fielding and Floyd's decent play = less playing time for Matt. The fact is that Soriano is set in left and Murton really can't field another outfield position. He simply looks lost in right field. It's a sad state of affairs when Cliff Floyd is a better fielder, but for all of Floyds faults as a fielder, he's not as bad as Morton. It seems that Floyd has given the team hitting production similar to Murton's last year (as well as some quality clutch hitting) and is the better fielder between the two. All things being equal in a penant race, I can understand Lou sticking with Floyd -- same production, slightly better fielder, veteran, clutch hitting.

 

Neither of those statements is true. Floyd's OPS is 55 points lower than Murton's last year (both his OBP and SLG are worse, it's not just one of the 2). I don't get the better OF comment at all. Floyd's range is horrendous. And by all accounts, Murton went down and worked on his fielding in RF and has improved.

 

Given that Murton was destroying the ball in AAA for a couple months, it makes no sense to keep running Floyd out there (or DeRosa who should be at 2B every game).

[oldcubsfan]

Maybe Hendry can talk to Beane about a deal for Joe Blanton, who seems to be available, and use Murton as one of the main pieces in the deal.

[Tracer Bullet]

Unless Murton's going to be dealt to get a serious bat, he deserves a chance to play in right every single day.

why? It's not tryout camp. He failed early and why should he replace anyone?

 

 

exactly. Murton was brought up to be a pinchhitter and an occassional starter. That is what he should be unless he proves himself differently.

 

How exactly is Murton supposed to prove himself when he gets 8 AB's a week (which is about what he would get as "a pinchhitter and an occasional starter")?

 

 

That is the hue and cry of every bench player. Everybody can't start every day.

 

 

You prove yourself when given a starting position at the start of this year (he failed here) and you prove yourself when given limited at-bats by hitting well. Murton will get more at-bats if he hits well in the at-bats he gets. Patience and quality will rise to the top.

 

I said the same thing with everybody's favorite--Choi--that if he was really a quality guy, the cream would rise to the top. It never did. If Murton is a big time hitter--he will show it and get more at-bats.

 

But he doesn't have to be a "big time hitter" - he just has to be better than Floyd, Pagan, Fontenot (the result of Fontenot starting at 2B appears to be DeRosa in RF). Based on last year's full season - he is. Based on his minor league career numbers and especially the last 2 months at AAA - he is. Based on his age - he's likely to improve. Based on Floyd's age, he's likely to perform worse than his career #s.

 

If we're going to base all our decisions off 1 month and ignore all other evidence (as TT pointed out above), Soriano's gone. Lee's gone. But we're not doing that. We're giving credit to veterans who were good in the past (as we should), but also if they were good several years ago, but not recently (Floyd). Yet, we don't give that credit to young players who produced well as recently as last season. If Floyd was great last year - I could understand giving him the benefit of the doubt. But he wasn't. And he's been bad this year.

[Peoriaman]

as I said--if Murton is good, he will show it and get more time. Piniella has been very open to giving players that produce more time. Lou gave him a chance earlier in the season and he will get his chance down the stretch if he produces.

[Soul]

I hope Murton's traded just so I can read more than 2 or 3 threads on this forum without being inundated with whining about how awesome he supossedly is. Oh wait, as a corner OF he had a 809 ops in 400 something AB's once. WOW what a player!!

 

Seriously, get over it.

 

oh hey look, diamondmind posting that he doesn't think murton is good, but not providing an alternate solution for the lack of production in rightfield!

 

I fail to see the purpose in rehashing trading for Griffey, keeping Floyd ungimped, etc etc. What do you want from me?

 

Well I think 99% of the board would prefer Griffey in RF, but it dependsd on the price that you're paying for him.

 

Otherwise, you're stuck with in-house options. Keeping Floyd "ungimped"? What do you propose we do, equip him with a robot's body? He's brittle and old, there's nothing you can do about that.

 

Bionics. Why didn't I think of that before?