Dunn rumor on BCB...

[gerby23]

It would also be incredibly stupid to trade a player if you don't have to yet, i.e the deadline isn't till after the series. But excuse me for suggesting it, just seemed a bit off to me.

 

The Reds are out of it. By trading Dunn, they are waving the white flag anyways. What do they care?

 

What if Dunn gets hurt in those few games he is playing against the Cubs and the Reds lose out on a package of prospects because they didn't want him to hurt them right away.

That actually makes sense to me, I hadn't thought of that. It works better than Jersey saying how dumb that idea is.

So, I guess I am on board for the trade now I guess, where do we sign? :wink:

[Post Count Padder]

It would also be incredibly stupid to trade a player if you don't have to yet, i.e the deadline isn't till after the series. But excuse me for suggesting it, just seemed a bit off to me.

 

The Reds are out of it. By trading Dunn, they are waving the white flag anyways. What do they care?

 

What if Dunn gets hurt in those few games he is playing against the Cubs and the Reds lose out on a package of prospects because they didn't want him to hurt them right away.

That makes plenty of sense. Of course, Krivsky isn't known for being too bright.

[gerby23]

It would also be incredibly stupid to trade a player if you don't have to yet, i.e the deadline isn't till after the series. But excuse me for suggesting it, just seemed a bit off to me.

 

The Reds are out of it. By trading Dunn, they are waving the white flag anyways. What do they care?

 

What if Dunn gets hurt in those few games he is playing against the Cubs and the Reds lose out on a package of prospects because they didn't want him to hurt them right away.

Just out of curiousity, what do you think the odds are that if they trade Dunn they wait until the last minute to see how good of an offer they can get? If they truly are shopping him and fielding offers, they may wait till the 13th hour to see who makes the best pitch.

[Iceblink]

So are we trading Lee, too? Dunn can't play anywhere but first and be close to average, and even that's questionable.

 

We might as well put Zambrano in RF and let him be all Babe Ruth. He'd be at least as good in the outfield and would strike out less.

[Skyballer]

So are we trading Lee, too? Dunn can't play anywhere but first and be close to average, and even that's questionable.

 

We might as well put Zambrano in RF and let him be all Babe Ruth. He'd be at least as good in the outfield and would strike out less.

he'd probably hit 40 homers too.

[jersey cubs fan]

Hasn't been mentioned yet, BUT why would they trade him to us before our series with them begins?? IF this is true, they would wait, at the very least, until after this upcoming series.

 

Why?

Serious why or sarcastic why? They wouldn't trade him to a team they are about to play and have him turn around and hurt them right away would they? In the division no less? I mean, I know its happened before and probably will again, and I know Krivsky isn't bright, but it just doesn't ring true to me.

 

It would be incredibly stupid to hold up a trade for that reason.

It would also be incredibly stupid to trade a player if you don't have to yet, i.e the deadline isn't till after the series. But excuse me for suggesting it, just seemed a bit off to me.

 

Don't have to yet? Then why don't all trades wait until the deadline? You never have to trade a player. You trade players when a deal is reached. I would be incredibly pissed at the Cubs if they intentionally waited a few games to trade a guy because they didn't want that guy to hurt them for 3 days. The risks are far greater than the rewards. The Reds are done. They suck. I highly doubt they think their season will be affected one way or another by waiting a couple days to trade Dunn. If I come to an agreement to make a trade, and the other team says, ok, but now we have to wait until after our series, I end the discussions right there. Dunn could get hurt, the guys you are trading could get hurt. Another team could come in with a better offer.

[gerby23]

So are we trading Lee, too? Dunn can't play anywhere but first and be close to average, and even that's questionable.

 

We might as well put Zambrano in RF and let him be all Babe Ruth. He'd be at least as good in the outfield and would strike out less.

he'd probably hit 40 homers too.

But his OBP would be AVG heavy

[rickrolled]

So are we trading Lee, too? Dunn can't play anywhere but first and be close to average, and even that's questionable.

 

We might as well put Zambrano in RF and let him be all Babe Ruth. He'd be at least as good in the outfield and would strike out less.

 

I think it'd be worth a little suspect defense for a guy who will post a 900+ OPS.

[jersey cubs fan]

It would also be incredibly stupid to trade a player if you don't have to yet, i.e the deadline isn't till after the series. But excuse me for suggesting it, just seemed a bit off to me.

 

The Reds are out of it. By trading Dunn, they are waving the white flag anyways. What do they care?

 

What if Dunn gets hurt in those few games he is playing against the Cubs and the Reds lose out on a package of prospects because they didn't want him to hurt them right away.

Just out of curiousity, what do you think the odds are that if they trade Dunn they wait until the last minute to see how good of an offer they can get? If they truly are shopping him and fielding offers, they may wait till the 13th hour to see who makes the best pitch.

 

Probably pretty good odds. But every trading deadline has a couple deals go down in the days leading up to it. It depends on what others are offering, and what else they think the Cubs are after. If, for instance, they thought Chicago was either going to trade for Dunn or Tejada, they'd think twice about waiting out a Cubs offer if they got one they liked, because there's always the possibility they pull the offer and go for the other guy.

 

That being said, Dunn coming to the Cubs is a huge long shot.

[gerby23]

It would also be incredibly stupid to trade a player if you don't have to yet, i.e the deadline isn't till after the series. But excuse me for suggesting it, just seemed a bit off to me.

 

The Reds are out of it. By trading Dunn, they are waving the white flag anyways. What do they care?

 

What if Dunn gets hurt in those few games he is playing against the Cubs and the Reds lose out on a package of prospects because they didn't want him to hurt them right away.

Just out of curiousity, what do you think the odds are that if they trade Dunn they wait until the last minute to see how good of an offer they can get? If they truly are shopping him and fielding offers, they may wait till the 13th hour to see who makes the best pitch.

I agree on th elong shot aspect.

Aren't the deals leading up to many times pre-cursors to larger deals between the same teams? If so, would that lend itself to us dealing with Pittsburgh?

 

Probably pretty good odds. But every trading deadline has a couple deals go down in the days leading up to it. It depends on what others are offering, and what else they think the Cubs are after. If, for instance, they thought Chicago was either going to trade for Dunn or Tejada, they'd think twice about waiting out a Cubs offer if they got one they liked, because there's always the possibility they pull the offer and go for the other guy.

 

That being said, Dunn coming to the Cubs is a huge long shot.

I agree with the long shot belief.

Aren't many of the smaller deals leading up to the deadline usually pre-cursors to larger deals between the same teams? If so, does that lend itself to us dealing with Pitt.?

Edited July 24, 2007 by gerby23

[davearm]

So are we trading Lee, too? Dunn can't play anywhere but first and be close to average, and even that's questionable.

 

We might as well put Zambrano in RF and let him be all Babe Ruth. He'd be at least as good in the outfield and would strike out less.

 

I think it'd be worth a little suspect defense for a guy who will post a 900+ OPS.

Except over the last three seasons, Dunn's OPS for the months of August and September is below 800.

 

This guy's been a very poor finisher two years in a row, folks.

[seanimal]

Not meant as a personal attack on anyone here but, if you think Dunn's defense somehow comes close to outweighing his plate performance, well.. you're taking crazy pills. He could field facing the bleachers for all I care.

 

I'd be ecstatic if Dunn came to the Cubs, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[soccer10k]

Hasn't been mentioned yet, BUT why would they trade him to us before our series with them begins?? IF this is true, they would wait, at the very least, until after this upcoming series.

 

Why?

Serious why or sarcastic why? They wouldn't trade him to a team they are about to play and have him turn around and hurt them right away would they? In the division no less? I mean, I know its happened before and probably will again, and I know Krivsky isn't bright, but it just doesn't ring true to me.

 

It would be incredibly stupid to hold up a trade for that reason.

It would also be incredibly stupid to trade a player if you don't have to yet, i.e the deadline isn't till after the series. But excuse me for suggesting it, just seemed a bit off to me.

That's a valid thought, but you also have to look at it from the prospective that Cincy might want to get their new players asap and not just beat around the bush with it.

They won't be getting NEW players, they'll be getting players we don't want hopefully--Jones, Eyre, etc.

They won't just give away Dunn... and even if they do accept jones and eyre, they would at least have to believe they could help the team some how and would want them soon.

 

I would think that Murton would be a part of any deal for Dunn.

[gerby23]

Hasn't been mentioned yet, BUT why would they trade him to us before our series with them begins?? IF this is true, they would wait, at the very least, until after this upcoming series.

 

Why?

Serious why or sarcastic why? They wouldn't trade him to a team they are about to play and have him turn around and hurt them right away would they? In the division no less? I mean, I know its happened before and probably will again, and I know Krivsky isn't bright, but it just doesn't ring true to me.

 

It would be incredibly stupid to hold up a trade for that reason.

It would also be incredibly stupid to trade a player if you don't have to yet, i.e the deadline isn't till after the series. But excuse me for suggesting it, just seemed a bit off to me.

That's a valid thought, but you also have to look at it from the prospective that Cincy might want to get their new players asap and not just beat around the bush with it.

They won't be getting NEW players, they'll be getting players we don't want hopefully--Jones, Eyre, etc.

They won't just give away Dunn... and even if they do accept jones and eyre, they would at least have to believe they could help the team some how and would want them soon.

 

I would think that Murton would be a part of any deal for Dunn.

I like Murton, but if we could convince Dunn to not bolt after the year, I'd be okay with that. But just for a rental, asking too much would scare me off at least.

Edited July 24, 2007 by gerby23

[jersey cubs fan]

Aren't many of the smaller deals leading up to the deadline usually pre-cursors to larger deals between the same teams? If so, does that lend itself to us dealing with Pitt.?

 

No, I don't believe they are. Everybody talks about every small deal as an in to the same 2 teams making larger deals, and I just don't see it. I guess it comes from the tendency of some GMs to deal with the same group of GMs on a regular basis. But I wouldn't characterize any recent Cubs trade, with SD, OAK or PITT, as a precursor to something larger.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I'm in the same boat. I'd love to see it happen, but I wont believe it til Bruce Miles clues us in or the Cubs.com website makes an official announcement.

 

I'm not buying it until Reds44 states that a trade is eminent.

Why does Reds44 always get crap? The rumor he posted was TRUE. Get over yourself.

 

As to this rumor, where the hell would they put him? I mean no doubt, it would be cause for celebration, but WHERE?! Right field?!

 

Maybe move Soriano back to center and Dunn to left? Who knows.

 

Anyway, this is why I LOVE the trading deadline. :D

 

PS. w00t! 6,000th post! :o

 

Could Dunn be any worse in RF than Floyd is? I know Dunn is awful in left, but still, Floyd is awful in right.

[inari]

Just... please be true. Please.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Except over the last three seasons, Dunn's OPS for the months of August and September is below 800.

 

This guy's been a very poor finisher two years in a row, folks.

 

But that's not true.

 

August - End of Season

2004: .254/.348/.563/.911

2005: .237/.370/.438/.808

2006: .176/.299/.346/.645

[gerby23]

Aren't many of the smaller deals leading up to the deadline usually pre-cursors to larger deals between the same teams? If so, does that lend itself to us dealing with Pitt.?

 

No, I don't believe they are. Everybody talks about every small deal as an in to the same 2 teams making larger deals, and I just don't see it. I guess it comes from the tendency of some GMs to deal with the same group of GMs on a regular basis. But I wouldn't characterize any recent Cubs trade, with SD, OAK or PITT, as a precursor to something larger.

Did we make a trade with Pitt before we got Lofton/Ramirez? I can't remember. Maybe you're right about the same groups/circles creating that sense.

[NCCubFan]

Did we make a trade with Pitt before we got Lofton/Ramirez?

No, but we made another one after (Simon).

[gerby23]

Did we make a trade with Pitt before we got Lofton/Ramirez?

No, but we made another one after (Simon).

Well that blows the "smaller before larger" case outta the water, I guess. Except maybe in weight.

[Omar]

I would treat this rumor like a rumor from MLBTradeRumors.com.

[RammyFanny]

I would treat this rumor like a rumor from MLBTradeRumors.com.

 

??

 

All they do is link to other online articles and ESPN Insider stuff...

 

Like 3 years ago I remember they made up a bogus rumor but since then it's been like any other Prosportsdaily type of site.

[inari]

I would treat this rumor like a rumor from MLBTradeRumors.com.

 

??

 

All they do is link to other online articles and ESPN Insider stuff...

 

Like 3 years ago I remember they made up a bogus rumor but since then it's been like any other Prosportsdaily type of site.

 

I completely made something up and reported it to mlbtraderumors as if it were a done deal. It was posted ten minutes later.

[RammyFanny]

I would treat this rumor like a rumor from MLBTradeRumors.com.

 

??

 

All they do is link to other online articles and ESPN Insider stuff...

 

Like 3 years ago I remember they made up a bogus rumor but since then it's been like any other Prosportsdaily type of site.

 

I completely made something up and reported it to mlbtraderumors as if it were a done deal. It was posted ten minutes later.

I remember, but wasn't that a long time ago? I think they have new people running it, because i've went there about every morning this year and all of there rumors have links.