TheRiot still does well.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Cedeno or Theriot. Theriot or Cedeno.

 

This is a terrible discussion to be having for several reasons.

 

1) There are three players on the Cub's roster that are basically taking up a spot while not contributing. None of the three are named Ryan Theriot.

 

2) This team needs help in the bullpen. Not the middle infield. The Cubs are playing good baseball with DeRosa, Fontenot, Theriot, and even Izturis every now and then up the middle. If one of those four are expendible, it's Izturis.

 

3) Ryan Theriot has been a solid contributor to this team. He had a bad slump, went to the bench, and now looks like he is back on track with his swing.

 

4) Theriot is 27. Cedeno is 24 (I guess). Cedeno does have an upside that is more desirable than a 27 year old breaking in, but at this point in his career Ronny has not shown really anything to illustrate he's ready to hit in the MLs.

 

Except tearing up AAA this season...

[Sammy Sofa]

Cedeno or Theriot. Theriot or Cedeno.

 

This is a terrible discussion to be having for several reasons.

 

1) There are three players on the Cub's roster that are basically taking up a spot while not contributing. None of the three are named Ryan Theriot.

 

2) This team needs help in the bullpen. Not the middle infield. The Cubs are playing good baseball with DeRosa, Fontenot, Theriot, and even Izturis every now and then up the middle. If one of those four are expendible, it's Izturis.

 

3) Ryan Theriot has been a solid contributor to this team. He had a bad slump, went to the bench, and now looks like he is back on track with his swing.

 

4) Theriot is 27. Cedeno is 24 (I guess). Cedeno does have an upside that is more desirable than a 27 year old breaking in, but at this point in his career Ronny has not shown really anything to illustrate he's ready to hit in the MLs.

 

Except tearing up AAA this season...

 

Somthing Theriot never did.

 

And why do some people talk like Theriot has "proven" himself at the ML level? He's had limited success in a relatively short period of time, just like Cedeno did before he unfortunately took a tumble at the plate.

[UBlink]

Cedeno or Theriot. Theriot or Cedeno.

 

This is a terrible discussion to be having for several reasons.

 

1) There are three players on the Cub's roster that are basically taking up a spot while not contributing. None of the three are named Ryan Theriot.

 

2) This team needs help in the bullpen. Not the middle infield. The Cubs are playing good baseball with DeRosa, Fontenot, Theriot, and even Izturis every now and then up the middle. If one of those four are expendible, it's Izturis.

 

3) Ryan Theriot has been a solid contributor to this team. He had a bad slump, went to the bench, and now looks like he is back on track with his swing.

 

4) Theriot is 27. Cedeno is 24 (I guess). Cedeno does have an upside that is more desirable than a 27 year old breaking in, but at this point in his career Ronny has not shown really anything to illustrate he's ready to hit in the MLs.

 

Clearly Cedeno vs Theriot would not be an issue if getting rid of Izturis were an option. As long as Cesar is around, however, Fontenot, Theriot and Cedeno are all candidates for 2 positions on the roster. Until Fontenot's bat returns back to earth that pits Theriot vs Cedeno. And Cedeno is tearing up AAA much like Fontenot did while he was there. That transition seemed to work out pretty good.

[Marco4]

Will Neifi Perez be starting at shortstop this year? After doing such a good job filling in for Garciaparra last year, I would think he'd be a great choice. Do the Cubs have other plans for him?

-- Edward K., Indianapolis, Ind.

 

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[Ding Dong Johnson]

Will Neifi Perez be starting at shortstop this year? After doing such a good job filling in for Garciaparra last year, I would think he'd be a great choice. Do the Cubs have other plans for him?

-- Edward K., Indianapolis, Ind.

 

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[Abe Frohman]

Cedeno does have an upside that is more desirable than a 27 year old breaking in, but at this point in his career Ronny has not shown really anything to illustrate he's ready to hit in the MLs.

 

Except tearing up AAA this season...

 

True. So when we need a SS, we can call him up. My point is that The Cubs don't really need a Middle Infielder right now. They need to clear roster space (or, dump Eyre, Jones, and Izturis) so they can make room for more pitching. And Cedeno.

 

Pie tore up AAA this year too. Besides a good week or two, he has not hit. I like Cedeno, and his time will come. Either with the Cubs or with someone else.

[Keener98]

Cedeno does have an upside that is more desirable than a 27 year old breaking in, but at this point in his career Ronny has not shown really anything to illustrate he's ready to hit in the MLs.

 

Except tearing up AAA this season...

 

True. So when we need a SS, we can call him up. My point is that The Cubs don't really need a Middle Infielder right now. They need to clear roster space (or, dump Eyre, Jones, and Izturis) so they can make room for more pitching. And Cedeno.

 

Pie tore up AAA this year too. Besides a good week or two, he has not hit. I like Cedeno, and his time will come. Either with the Cubs or with someone else.

 

The Cubs need more offense from SS C and CF, when you have a SS in your organization who is younger then all you ML SS's and is having the type of season in AAA that Cedeno is, then you should call him up. If you could start getting average to a little above average production from your SS and C(Soto) then you can live with Pie's struggles in CF, since he is head and shoulders better defensively than anybody else we can put in CF.

[bhogg]

I really like Theriot. He's driven in some runs. He's on pace to steal 30 bags. His glove is steady -- not great, but steady. He's good in the utility role.

 

I think he brings more to the table than Cedeno. Cedeno never appeared to be as good a bunter or base runner. Cedeno can't play the outfield as far as I remember.

 

Seems like Cedeno is a starting SS/2b or nothing. Theriot is more flexible.

[Drew Doughty]

I really like Theriot. He's driven in some runs. He's on pace to steal 30 bags. His glove is steady -- not great, but steady. He's good in the utility role.

 

I think he brings more to the table than Cedeno. Cedeno never appeared to be as good a bunter or base runner. Cedeno can't play the outfield as far as I remember.

 

Seems like Cedeno is a starting SS/2b or nothing. Theriot is more flexible.

 

Who says it has to be one or the other? Theriot would be a nice super-util guy off the bench. He's not starter quality.

[Keener98]

I really like Theriot. He's driven in some runs. He's on pace to steal 30 bags. His glove is steady -- not great, but steady. He's good in the utility role.

 

I think he brings more to the table than Cedeno. Cedeno never appeared to be as good a bunter or base runner. Cedeno can't play the outfield as far as I remember.

 

Seems like Cedeno is a starting SS/2b or nothing. Theriot is more flexible.

 

With the players we have on this team, Cedeno not being able to play the OF is meaningless. We already have plenty of OF's and Theriot will not see time in the Cubs OF, so why should it matter if Cedeno can play there? Cedeno has more upside at SS then anybody else on our current roster plain and simple.

[Soul]

I really like Theriot. He's driven in some runs. He's on pace to steal 30 bags. His glove is steady -- not great, but steady. He's good in the utility role.

 

I think he brings more to the table than Cedeno. Cedeno never appeared to be as good a bunter or base runner. Cedeno can't play the outfield as far as I remember.

 

Seems like Cedeno is a starting SS/2b or nothing. Theriot is more flexible.

 

Who says it has to be one or the other? Theriot would be a nice super-util guy off the bench. He's not starter quality.

 

True. Trouble is, neither is Cedeno. Or Izzy. They're all benchies, and we have to start one of them.

[Keener98]

I really like Theriot. He's driven in some runs. He's on pace to steal 30 bags. His glove is steady -- not great, but steady. He's good in the utility role.

 

I think he brings more to the table than Cedeno. Cedeno never appeared to be as good a bunter or base runner. Cedeno can't play the outfield as far as I remember.

 

Seems like Cedeno is a starting SS/2b or nothing. Theriot is more flexible.

 

Who says it has to be one or the other? Theriot would be a nice super-util guy off the bench. He's not starter quality.

 

True. Trouble is, neither is Cedeno. Or Izzy. They're all benchies, and we have to start one of them.

 

How do you know for sure Cedeno isnt starting quality? Because as a 22 year old in his first year in the majors he sucked? Cedeno is still young enough to be a quality starting SS in the majors.

Edited July 4, 2007 by Keener98

[abuck1220]

I really like Theriot. He's driven in some runs. He's on pace to steal 30 bags. His glove is steady -- not great, but steady. He's good in the utility role.

 

I think he brings more to the table than Cedeno. Cedeno never appeared to be as good a bunter or base runner. Cedeno can't play the outfield as far as I remember.

 

Seems like Cedeno is a starting SS/2b or nothing. Theriot is more flexible.

 

honestly, are cedeno's supposed bunting/baserunning deficiencies really that important? cedeno's a better defender, and i would think that would more than make up for any bunting/running differences.

 

and if you'll remember the early part of this season, theriot was a butcher in the OF...plus, a shortage of guys who can play the OF is the least of the cubs' concerns.

[Skyballer]

I really like Theriot. He's driven in some runs. He's on pace to steal 30 bags. His glove is steady -- not great, but steady. He's good in the utility role.

 

I think he brings more to the table than Cedeno. Cedeno never appeared to be as good a bunter or base runner. Cedeno can't play the outfield as far as I remember.

 

Seems like Cedeno is a starting SS/2b or nothing. Theriot is more flexible.

 

honestly, are cedeno's supposed bunting/baserunning deficiencies really that important? cedeno's a better defender, and i would think that would more than make up for any bunting/running differences.

 

and if you'll remember the early part of this season, theriot was a butcher in the OF...plus, a shortage of guys who can play the OF is the least of the cubs' concerns.

I agree of's aren't necessary but the defense argument won't get you far, Theriot can play close to gold glove D and proved it today.

[DCNashville]

I agree of's aren't necessary but the defense argument won't get you far, Theriot can play close to gold glove D and proved it today.

 

Back to your jokes again?

[Skyballer]

I agree of's aren't necessary but the defense argument won't get you far, Theriot can play close to gold glove D and proved it today.

 

Back to your jokes again?

The gold glove part yes but Theriot is as good as Cedeno and has shown inconsistent brilliance at second and short but the gold glove is a joke.

[Keener98]

I agree of's aren't necessary but the defense argument won't get you far, Theriot can play close to gold glove D and proved it today.

 

Back to your jokes again?

The gold glove part yes but Theriot is as good as Cedeno and has shown inconsistent brilliance at second and short but the gold glove is a joke.

 

wrong. Theriot never put up the numbers in AAA that Cedeno is putting up at a much younger age. Inconsistent brilliance? Right whatever man

[Warren Brusstar]

I really like Theriot. He's driven in some runs. He's on pace to steal 30 bags. His glove is steady -- not great, but steady. He's good in the utility role.

 

I think he brings more to the table than Cedeno. Cedeno never appeared to be as good a bunter or base runner. Cedeno can't play the outfield as far as I remember.

 

Seems like Cedeno is a starting SS/2b or nothing. Theriot is more flexible.

 

honestly, are cedeno's supposed bunting/baserunning deficiencies really that important? cedeno's a better defender, and i would think that would more than make up for any bunting/running differences.

 

and if you'll remember the early part of this season, theriot was a butcher in the OF...plus, a shortage of guys who can play the OF is the least of the cubs' concerns.

I agree of's aren't necessary but the defense argument won't get you far, Theriot can play close to gold glove D and proved it today.

 

LOL

[inari]

Theriot is a average defensive shortstop at best. How long till you say that was a joke too?

[Skyballer]

Theriot is a average defensive shortstop at best. How long till you say that was a joke too?

IDK his true skills but i've seen him make quality plays better than Izzy and izzy has a gold glove, that's what i'm going off of

[Skyballer]

I agree of's aren't necessary but the defense argument won't get you far, Theriot can play close to gold glove D and proved it today.

 

Back to your jokes again?

The gold glove part yes but Theriot is as good as Cedeno and has shown inconsistent brilliance at second and short but the gold glove is a joke.

 

wrong. Theriot never put up the numbers in AAA that Cedeno is putting up at a much younger age. Inconsistent brilliance? Right whatever man

I'm talking about glove work.

[Keener98]

Theriot is a average defensive shortstop at best. How long till you say that was a joke too?

IDK his true skills but i've seen him make quality plays better than Izzy and izzy has a gold glove, that's what i'm going off of

 

You are going off Izzy winning a Gold Glove? HAHAHA you realize the Gold Glove is the most meaningless award in baseball right?

[Keener98]

I agree of's aren't necessary but the defense argument won't get you far, Theriot can play close to gold glove D and proved it today.

 

Back to your jokes again?

The gold glove part yes but Theriot is as good as Cedeno and has shown inconsistent brilliance at second and short but the gold glove is a joke.

 

wrong. Theriot never put up the numbers in AAA that Cedeno is putting up at a much younger age. Inconsistent brilliance? Right whatever man

I'm talking about glove work.

 

And my point still remains the same. Cedenos range is vastly greater than Theriot, as well is his arm.

[CubColtPacer]

Theriot is a average defensive shortstop at best. How long till you say that was a joke too?

IDK his true skills but i've seen him make quality plays better than Izzy and izzy has a gold glove, that's what i'm going off of

 

You are going off Izzy winning a Gold Glove? HAHAHA you realize the Gold Glove is the most meaningless award in baseball right?

 

Not to mention he's trying to compare this version of Izturis, who has been through a serious arm injury and leg injuries that it's pretty obvious he hasn't recovered from. He simply is not the same defensive player as the one who won the Gold Glove, and is probably barely average defensively this year, which is what Theriot is also.

[abuck1220]

your posts are inconsistently brilliant.