TheRiot still does well.

[seanimal]

I'm guessing you have a vague understanding of player development.

[Skyballer]

I'm guessing you have a vague understanding of player development.

No, all of you do.

[Sammy Sofa]

What is Cedeno's career ML BA? Not Good.

 

Ok. Did you miss my point?

 

Theriot is 27 years old. When he was the same age as Cedeno, he was plying his trade in single A.

 

Cedeno was 23 last season when you said he sucked, yet Theriot is just having growing pains.

 

If anything, the opposite is true. Theriot at 27 is likely at his peak, since most players begin their peak at 27. His peak is below average.

 

Cedeno didn't perform last year. That is true, but he was 23 years old. What Cedeno is hitting at AAA, Theriot hasn't approached at any level.

 

So, if Theriot is experiencing growing pains, then Cedeno is too.

 

Are you really this dense, or do you just get a hard on for a player and can't see the truth?

They have relatively the same ML experience.

 

And...?

 

Cedeno had his ML experience at a MUCH younger age than Theriot. Why isn't Cedeno just having "growing pains?"

 

Cedeno has also put up better minor league numbers. Again, why is Theriot going through "growing pains" despite his mediocre minor league career and limited ML success, but Cedeno is "just bad" even though he's a better minor leaguer and also had short lived ML success?

[inari]

I'm all for giving Cedeno another shot, but let's not pretend that his success in in the minors will definitely translate to the bigs. Don't forget how awful he was last year and the early part of this year.

 

I wouldn't pretend that, but he's definitely got a solid chance of outperforming what the Cubs have gotten out of SS so far this year.

 

Yeah, it's not like we're getting great production out of the SS position anyway. At this point it's worth giving Ronny another shot.

I'm all for a shot for Cedeno, I just don't expect much.

 

I expect more than we're getting out of Theriot or Izturis.

I'd hold up on the Theriot part, but I won't say that the talent isn't there in both, just Theriot been able to translate talent to well reality.

 

266/323/346 really isn't a great translation.

 

I like Theriot...but let's not pretend he's really that good; he's not.

He's young, he will have growing pains, that is inevitable but Cedeno didn't have growing pains he just plain sucked.

 

Let me get this straight....Cedeno who is 27 is experiencing growing pains while Cedeno who played in the majors last season at only 22 just sucked.

 

Would you like to guess what Theriot was doing when he was 22?

 

How about hitting .252/335/313 in the midwest league. So, if Cedeno sucked at 22, Theriot was sub-suckage.

 

You might want to quit now.

What is Cedeno's career ML BA? Not Good.

 

What does that have to do with anything? Theriot wasn't even good enough to be in AAA when he he was Cedeno's age.

 

Listen, it's obvious you like scrappy players like Murt and Theriot, but you're making some pretty ridiculous arguments. Theriot at 27 gets time for growing pains while the 24 year old Cedeno just sucks?

[seanimal]

haha, awesome.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm guessing you have a vague understanding of player development.

No, all of you do.

 

You're kidding, right?

[inari]

I'm guessing you have a vague understanding of player development.

No, all of you do.

 

I didn't even see this. You can't be serious.

 

Is this a joke poster?

 

Anyways... Theriot, Cedeno, and Izturis all look to be pretty bad hitters at the major league level. Cedeno plays the best defense of the three and has the highest ceiling. It's really a no brainer.

Edited July 3, 2007 by inari

[Skyballer]

I'm all for giving Cedeno another shot, but let's not pretend that his success in in the minors will definitely translate to the bigs. Don't forget how awful he was last year and the early part of this year.

 

I wouldn't pretend that, but he's definitely got a solid chance of outperforming what the Cubs have gotten out of SS so far this year.

 

Yeah, it's not like we're getting great production out of the SS position anyway. At this point it's worth giving Ronny another shot.

I'm all for a shot for Cedeno, I just don't expect much.

 

I expect more than we're getting out of Theriot or Izturis.

I'd hold up on the Theriot part, but I won't say that the talent isn't there in both, just Theriot been able to translate talent to well reality.

 

266/323/346 really isn't a great translation.

 

I like Theriot...but let's not pretend he's really that good; he's not.

He's young, he will have growing pains, that is inevitable but Cedeno didn't have growing pains he just plain sucked.

 

Let me get this straight....Cedeno who is 27 is experiencing growing pains while Cedeno who played in the majors last season at only 22 just sucked.

 

Would you like to guess what Theriot was doing when he was 22?

 

How about hitting .252/335/313 in the midwest league. So, if Cedeno sucked at 22, Theriot was sub-suckage.

 

You might want to quit now.

What is Cedeno's career ML BA? Not Good.

 

What does that have to do with anything? Theriot wasn't even good enough to be in AAA when he he was Cedeno's age.

 

Listen, it's obvious you like scrappy players like Murt and Theriot, but you're making some pretty ridiculous arguments. Theriot at 27 gets time for growing pains while the 24 year old Cedeno just sucks?

Wow 3 year diff. you got alot going for you there.

[Skyballer]

I'm guessing you have a vague understanding of player development.

No, all of you do.

 

I didn't even see this. You can't be serious.

 

Is this a joke poster?

Yes, but I wouldn't call myself dumb either, but yes this is definitely a joke.

[seanimal]

Wow, three year diff. It's almost like no difference at all!

[Drew Doughty]

They do make sense and posting i my right and choice it's not annoying me.

 

this is possibly my favorite post ever.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

What is Cedeno's career ML BA? Not Good.

 

Ok. Did you miss my point?

 

Theriot is 27 years old. When he was the same age as Cedeno, he was plying his trade in single A.

 

Cedeno was 23 last season when you said he sucked, yet Theriot is just having growing pains.

 

If anything, the opposite is true. Theriot at 27 is likely at his peak, since most players begin their peak at 27. His peak is below average.

 

Cedeno didn't perform last year. That is true, but he was 23 years old. What Cedeno is hitting at AAA, Theriot hasn't approached at any level.

 

So, if Theriot is experiencing growing pains, then Cedeno is too.

 

Are you really this dense, or do you just get a hard on for a player and can't see the truth?

They have relatively the same ML experience.

 

Holy Jesus son, are you really that dense!

 

So, if I take a 13 year old and place him on the varsity baseball team with a 17 year old who had to play JV his whole high school career and is finally on varsity....if the 17 year old out performed the 13 year old, you'd really think that his ceiling was higher based on that?

 

This is a simple concept. One my 11-year-old nephew can grasp. Why is it so hard for you?

 

Theriot is 27. Cedeno is 24. When Cedeno was up here last season he was 4 years younger than Theriot is now. When Theriot was the same age as Cedeno is now, he in no way, shape or form looked like a major leaguer.

[inari]

I'm guessing you have a vague understanding of player development.

No, all of you do.

 

I didn't even see this. You can't be serious.

 

Is this a joke poster?

Yes, but I wouldn't call myself dumb either, but yes this is definitely a joke.

 

So you... are joking?

[Skyballer]

I'm guessing you have a vague understanding of player development.

No, all of you do.

 

I didn't even see this. You can't be serious.

 

Is this a joke poster?

Yes, but I wouldn't call myself dumb either, but yes this is definitely a joke.

 

So you... are joking?

yes. but only about that post

[inari]

Okay then, I must be missing some key component of your argument, because I really don't follow. Theriot is 27. History shows that 27 year olds aren't going to get all that much better. Theriot has shown he's a solid utility player and 25th man who can play a few positions and draw walks when they're given to him, but he's really not a good hitter. Cedeno is 24. He's not at his peak. He's shown he can play stellar defense and there's quite a bit of hope that he can improve his offense given his age.

 

So, Cedeno is the better defender with more potential. Theriot is what he is, a pretty bad hitter. Cedeno is probably going to be a bad hitter to, but at least there's a chance he'll improve. Theriot is what he is. To discount their age difference because it's "only three years" is asininely stupid.

[Skyballer]

Okay then, I must be missing some key component of your argument, because I really don't follow. Theriot is 27. History shows that 27 year olds aren't going to get all that much better. Theriot has shown he's a solid utility player and 25th man who can play a few positions and draw walks when they're given to him, but he's really not a good hitter. Cedeno is 24. He's not at his peak. He's shown he can play stellar defense and there's quite a bit of hope that he can improve his offense given his age.

 

So, Cedeno is the better defender with more potential. Theriot is what he is, a pretty bad hitter. Cedeno is probably going to be a bad hitter to, but at least there's a chance he'll improve. Theriot is what he is. To discount their age difference because it's "only three years" is asininely stupid.

No not at all.

[inari]

Okay then, I must be missing some key component of your argument, because I really don't follow. Theriot is 27. History shows that 27 year olds aren't going to get all that much better. Theriot has shown he's a solid utility player and 25th man who can play a few positions and draw walks when they're given to him, but he's really not a good hitter. Cedeno is 24. He's not at his peak. He's shown he can play stellar defense and there's quite a bit of hope that he can improve his offense given his age.

 

So, Cedeno is the better defender with more potential. Theriot is what he is, a pretty bad hitter. Cedeno is probably going to be a bad hitter to, but at least there's a chance he'll improve. Theriot is what he is. To discount their age difference because it's "only three years" is asininely stupid.

No not at all.

 

K, here's where you try to make an argument to defend that instead of just saying it. After you make it, I'll respond by tearing it apart with common sense.

[Skyballer]

Okay then, I must be missing some key component of your argument, because I really don't follow. Theriot is 27. History shows that 27 year olds aren't going to get all that much better. Theriot has shown he's a solid utility player and 25th man who can play a few positions and draw walks when they're given to him, but he's really not a good hitter. Cedeno is 24. He's not at his peak. He's shown he can play stellar defense and there's quite a bit of hope that he can improve his offense given his age.

 

So, Cedeno is the better defender with more potential. Theriot is what he is, a pretty bad hitter. Cedeno is probably going to be a bad hitter to, but at least there's a chance he'll improve. Theriot is what he is. To discount their age difference because it's "only three years" is asininely stupid.

No not at all.

 

K, here's where you try to make an argument to defend that instead of just saying it. After you make it, I'll respond by tearing it apart with common sense.

Three years is just that, not 10 years or 6. 3, a very small diff. and the fact that TheRiot is a major leaguer speaks alot.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The above post is an idiot.

[Skyballer]

The above post is an idiot.

you mean idiotic, more proof of your lack of intelligence.

[Sammy Sofa]

the fact that TheRiot is a major leaguer speaks alot.

 

That's not a fact. Not even close.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The above post is an idiot.

you mean idiotic, more proof of your lack of intelligence.

 

No, I had it right the first time.

[Skyballer]

the fact that TheRiot is a major leaguer speaks alot.

 

That's not a fact. Not even close.

ah so you're trying to say theriot isn't a ml'er. my you're dumb

[seanimal]

simply amazing.

 

If I knew of a good tutor for reading comprehension and abstract thought I think now would be the time I'd drop the number.

[Skyballer]

The above post is an idiot.

you mean idiotic, more proof of your lack of intelligence.

 

No, I had it right the first time.

if you were trying to insult me you should've said poster or user