Rich Hill or Sean Marshall?

[HoopsCubs]

If I told you that the Cubs had made a decision today to have only 2 lefties in the rotation with Lilly being one of them, and would therefore deal one of the other 2 guys to acquire a major bat, who would you deal, Hill or Marshall, if the goal was to win in the timeframe with Lee and Ramirez around?

 

Please analyze. Who's got the higher ceiling, who's got the better chance to maximize his potential, who can sustain more success in the NL/NL Central, etc...

 

Hoops

Edited June 22, 2007 by HoopsCubs

[HoopsCubs]

If I told you that the Cubs had made a decision today to have only 2 lefties in the rotation with Lilly being one of them, and would therefore deal one of the other 2 guys to acquire a major bat, who would you deal, Hill or Marshall, if the goal was to win in the timeframe with Lee and Ramirez around?

 

Please analyze. Who's got the higher ceiling, who's got the better chance to maximize his potential, who can sustain more success in the NL/NL Central, etc...

 

Hoops

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I think Hill has the better chance for success, so I guess it would depend on the target as to whether or not I'd deal him. If the choice is Hill for ARod or Marshall for Tejada because of a need to upgrade SS, I'd deal Hill. If it's a choice between Hill or Marshall for Griffey, I'd deal Marshall.

[Soriano12]

I'd go with Rich Hill, in all aspects.

[inari]

Rich has the higher upside, though Marshall is significantly younger. Tough call, but I think I'd keep Hill.

[Guest]

Hill has the higher ceiling and is more likely to be better, imo.

 

That said, I'd see if Lilly had more value than Marshall in a trade.

[jersey cubs fan]

Hill has the higher ceiling, but can probably get you more in return.

 

I'd try and include Murton, Colvin and Marshall in a deal for a solid bat.

[anabiono]

yeah...why not shop lilly?

[don_kessinger_was_good]

For the sake of argument, I will assume something is brewing, rather than just another what-if thread:

 

My opinion--Marshall is younger and (to me) has a more repeatable delivery. He is definitely more plain vanilla than Hill, but that bodes well for a long-term future as a decent #4 starter. I'll take that.

 

Hill has a track record of being a hot/cold guy, and he's not so young. He has higher trade value than Marshall, given the position the Cubs are in with this lousy team, they should exploit that.

 

Problem: Jim Hendry is a complete incompetent, so he'll botch up whatever he tries and we will not get maximum value for Hill.

 

If you could get a long-term, youngish bat for Hill, I'd do it. Matt Kemp? Brandon Wood? Stephen Drew?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I see them as very similar pitchers. Hill is older and has better numbers.

 

My biggest concern with Marshall is his health. If I had to choose one or the other, I'd probably hang on to Hill and trade Marshall.

 

Of course, I agree with the idea that maybe we should trade Lilly and keep the two guys who are a little more cost effective.

[Danny82]

There's no 'probable' about it to me.

 

I like Hill in a landslide over Marshall.

 

I wonder how different some of the responses in this thread would have been if the question were asked a month ago.

[E.J.]

I'd rather hold onto Hill. That said, if Hendry trades Hill or Marshall for some over-the-hill outfielder like Griffey, I'm going to be pissed.

[Chocolate Milk]

I'd keep Hill and it's not particularly close for me.

[Rusch33]

Keep Hill, get rid of Marshall.

[hawkeyecub]

I guess it would depend on the target as to whether or not I'd deal him. If the choice is Hill for ARod or Marshall for Tejada because of a need to upgrade SS, I'd deal Hill. If it's a choice between Hill or Marshall for Griffey, I'd deal Marshall.

 

Exactly.

 

If the trading partner said they had no preference between the two, you would deal Marshall. But as others have said, Hill has greater trade value.

If dealing Hill gets you a better bat than Marshall, I would be fine with it.

[Keener98]

There's no 'probable' about it to me.

 

I like Hill in a landslide over Marshall.

 

I wonder how different some of the responses in this thread would have been if the question were asked a month ago.

 

Well of course it would be different as Marshall didnt show the dominance last year he has shown at times this year. But I agree its Hill by a landslide.

[Keener98]

This pure speculation Hoops, or have you heard something?

[mhuber92211]

I am in the opposite camp. I think Marshall has a better career in front of him. His Change is more developed and his Curve has gotten nastier this season. If he can keep up his stamina he will be better then Hill. Hill has yet to develop a consistent 3rd pitch to make him completely unhittable. Should Hill be able to develop the 2 seamer then he would be outstanding.

[BigbadB]

I'll go with Marquis.

[RynoRules]

I'll go with Marquis.

 

I'll take what's behind door no. 3!!!

 

Hill seems better, though a bit older. I guess I view Marshall as a 4th or 5th starter, while Hill strikes me as having 2nd or 3rd starter stuff.

 

Unlike EJ, I would not be bothered if Marshall were included in a package for Griffey. Just so long as Hill is not.

[A New Era]

I agree with the general consensus.

 

Hill if it's Arod~

Marshall if it's Griffey~

 

(~=type)

[HoopsCubs]

This pure speculation Hoops, or have you heard something?

 

Through a source, there has been some chatter this week, nothing more, nothing less. The number of homers that Hill and Marshall gave up in their last starts alarmed some folks I'm told. My sense is that both will be under some scrutiny in their next starts.

 

The big question I have is that if Marshall or Hill were dealt for a major bat, who would step into the rotation?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

This pure speculation Hoops, or have you heard something?

 

Through a source, there has been some chatter this week, nothing more, nothing less. The number of homers that Hill and Marshall gave up in their last starts alarmed some folks I'm told. My sense is that both will be under some scrutiny in their next starts.

 

The big question I have is that if Marshall or Hill were dealt for a major bat, who would step into the rotation?

 

The homers Lilly gives up isn't alarming them as well?

[HoopsCubs]

This pure speculation Hoops, or have you heard something?

 

Through a source, there has been some chatter this week, nothing more, nothing less. The number of homers that Hill and Marshall gave up in their last starts alarmed some folks I'm told. My sense is that both will be under some scrutiny in their next starts.

 

The big question I have is that if Marshall or Hill were dealt for a major bat, who would step into the rotation?

 

The homers Lilly gives up isn't alarming them as well?

 

Good question. I asked that question too. The source indicated the focus was on Hill and Marshall because of their "cheap" production and age.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

This pure speculation Hoops, or have you heard something?

 

Through a source, there has been some chatter this week, nothing more, nothing less. The number of homers that Hill and Marshall gave up in their last starts alarmed some folks I'm told. My sense is that both will be under some scrutiny in their next starts.

 

The big question I have is that if Marshall or Hill were dealt for a major bat, who would step into the rotation?

 

The homers Lilly gives up isn't alarming them as well?

 

Good question. I asked that question too. The source indicated the focus was on Hill and Marshall because of their "cheap" production and age.

 

So, we're focusing on trading with a team that would want long term cheap production?