Cubs trade Barrett to Padres for Rob Bowen & Kyler Burke

[Chocolate Milk]

According to a poster on the Friar Fantatics message board, Kevin Towers was on the radio saying Maddux and Peavy told him to go get Barrett.

 

How can that be? Pitching to Barrett will spike your ERA around 10 points due to all the past balls and poor game calling.

[Guest]

According to a poster on the Friar Fantatics message board, Kevin Towers was on the radio saying Maddux and Peavy told him to go get Barrett.

 

Hahah, but Maddux needed Bako and Blanco to catch him?

[RammyFanny]

I read on another board that Levine said that Hendry views Soto as an everyday catcher, so expext him to be called up soon. I know it's not anything too new, but I thought it was worth posting.

[CubinNY]

Anyone want to take a bet on the first player Barrett goes after when the score gets settled either in ST or the regular season?

 

My bet is Rich Hill.

 

Surely, Barrett wouldn't be stupid enough to go after Z, would he?

[UMFan83]

Pitchers ERA with Hill behind the plate 1.75ERA

 

Barret behind the plate 4.17ERA

 

Hill is obviously doing something back there whether it's calling a better game or who knows..But even if the offense isnt there for that position, that is what we have Alfonso,DLee and ARam for..If Hill keeps the pitchers pitching games like that.Im fine with him there

 

CERA is crap.

 

Please please please please no CERA arguments in this thread. IM BEGGING YOU!!!

[CubColtPacer]

Just for fun, this is Barrett's player profile on baseball prospectus.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/barremi01_001.gif

 

 

 

And this is Bowen's.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/bowenro01_001.gif

 

 

Edit:

 

The numbers to the left are what percentile they fall into.

 

Is that before the year or now?

 

Before the year... but still, it's a pretty stark difference.

 

True-but in that, it has to gauge Bowen's absolutely awful 2004 and not good 2005 with his ok 2006 in the majors. Which one is supposed to be believed more? The projections would say 2004 and 2005, but that hasn't happened in his at-bats so far this year.

 

The same thing has happened to Barrett the other way.

 

Will Bowen outperform Barrett with the bat for the rest of 2007? I don't know. Does he have to? Not necessarily-if he gets somewhere close, the improved defense might be enough to make up for it. That's really all the Cubs need to make this a good deal-Bowen to stay close enough to Barrett to not make it too much of a downgrade this year (which is certainly possible), and then the Cubs benefit in 2008 and beyond with Bowen and the prospect.

[Guest]

I read on another board that Levine said that Hendry views Soto as an everyday catcher, so expext him to be called up soon. I know it's not anything too new, but I thought it was worth posting.

 

That is good to hear, his ceiling before this season was definitely a backup.

[Chocolate Milk]

Anyone want to take a bet on the first player Barrett goes after when the score gets settled either in ST or the regular season?

 

My bet is Rich Hill.

 

Surely, Barrett wouldn't be stupid enough to go after Z, would he?

 

I think he goes for Sweet Lou.

[CubColtPacer]

I read on another board that Levine said that Hendry views Soto as an everyday catcher, so expext him to be called up soon. I know it's not anything too new, but I thought it was worth posting.

 

If this clears the way to become a Soto/Bowen pairing this year (and soon) the chances of this being a good deal go way up.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Wouldn't it be nice if we had Matt Weiters ready to go by mid 2008

 

It'd be even better if you knew what you were talking about. There was no chance we were going to draft Wieters with future ownership uncertainty.

 

I liked MB. If some pitchers didn't like his game calling, it's on them to watch film and shake off the catcher. You pitch every 5 days. Don't be lazy and put it on your catcher.

 

MB may be having a down year, but he's still jacked more than his share of HR. It's not like he's been Blanco-esque offensively.

 

It's pretty lame to trade for a reserve catcher with Blanco and Soto in the system. I'm not too upset about the prospect. He sounds decent even if his numbers aren't great in limited AB at that age/level.

[wade]

I have a question about Barrret's play calling- doesn't he look in the dugout before nearly every call? I haven't seen as many games lately and maybe that's with men on and he's looking for a pitchout call, but I don't know what kind of leeway he had with calling pitches anyway.

[RichHillIsABeast]

According to a poster on the Friar Fantatics message board, Kevin Towers was on the radio saying Maddux and Peavy told him to go get Barrett.

 

Well, Maddux doesn't give a rip about baserunners taking an extra bag, so one of Barrett's glaring weaknesses in a lot of peoples' eyes isn't a concern. Peavy and Barrett are really good friends.

[SouthSideRyan]

i love that people are criticizing barrett's "game calling." as if, 1) they know anything about how to call a game and can tell that barrett's doing a poor job of it and 2) pitchers don't have the ability to shake him off.

 

Thank you.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way.

 

you aren't

 

4th.

 

Unfortunately there aren't good stats to smack people down with like when they spout out nonsense about clutchness.

[Guancous]

Let's hope this is the pre-cursor to that Blanco+Jones for A-Rod deal that everyone keeps talking about. Now we'll only have to determine how much cash the Yankees will send the Cubs.

[nilodnayr]

Just for fun, this is Barrett's player profile on baseball prospectus.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/barremi01_001.gif

 

 

 

And this is Bowen's.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/bowenro01_001.gif

 

 

Edit:

 

The numbers to the left are what percentile they fall into.

 

Is that before the year or now?

 

Before the year... but still, it's a pretty stark difference.

 

True-but in that, it has to gauge Bowen's absolutely awful 2004 and not good 2005 with his ok 2006 in the majors. Which one is supposed to be believed more? The projections would say 2004 and 2005, but that hasn't happened in his at-bats so far this year.

 

The same thing has happened to Barrett the other way.

 

Will Bowen outperform Barrett with the bat for the rest of 2007? I don't know. Does he have to? Not necessarily-if he gets somewhere close, the improved defense might be enough to make up for it. That's really all the Cubs need to make this a good deal-Bowen to stay close enough to Barrett to not make it too much of a downgrade this year (which is certainly possible), and then the Cubs benefit in 2008 and beyond with Bowen and the prospect.

 

I haven't dug too deeply, but what in Bowens 2007 campaign is drastically different than previously besides BABIP?

[SouthSideRyan]

According to a poster on the Friar Fantatics message board, Kevin Towers was on the radio saying Maddux and Peavy told him to go get Barrett.

 

I think I'll trust Greg Maddux when it comes to these situations(catcher defense)

[inari]

I read on another board that Levine said that Hendry views Soto as an everyday catcher, so expext him to be called up soon. I know it's not anything too new, but I thought it was worth posting.

 

If this clears the way to become a Soto/Bowen pairing this year (and soon) the chances of this being a good deal go way up.

 

That'd make me much happier.

[98navigator]

According to a poster on the Friar Fantatics message board, Kevin Towers was on the radio saying Maddux and Peavy told him to go get Barrett.

 

Well, Maddux doesn't give a rip about baserunners taking an extra bag, so one of Barrett's glaring weaknesses in a lot of peoples' eyes isn't a concern. Peavy and Barrett are really good friends.

 

Maddux never wanted Barrett to catch him; it only happened upon Dusty's insistence. Maddux needs a defensive catcher to help stop the runners he doesn't hold on...

[SouthSideRyan]

Anyone want to take a bet on the first player Barrett goes after when the score gets settled either in ST or the regular season?

 

My bet is Rich Hill.

 

Surely, Barrett wouldn't be stupid enough to go after Z, would he?

 

Or nobody. People act like Barrett went around punching anybody that looked at him wrong. Or is everyone retroactively blaming Barrett for Zambrano acting like a douchebag 3 weeks ago. After all, Z is pitching well now.

[circlecitycub]

Anyone want to take a bet on the first player Barrett goes after when the score gets settled either in ST or the regular season?

 

My bet is Rich Hill.

 

Surely, Barrett wouldn't be stupid enough to go after Z, would he?

 

Barrett is a free agent after '07. He may not even be back in San Diego next year.

[RynoRules]

I read on another board that Levine said that Hendry views Soto as an everyday catcher, so expext him to be called up soon. I know it's not anything too new, but I thought it was worth posting.

 

If this clears the way to become a Soto/Bowen pairing this year (and soon) the chances of this being a good deal go way up.

 

I dunno if it improves the trade, but I certainly like the idea. I'll like this trade if it some how frees us to get a corner OFer or SS.

 

Note to self: You sound like a damn broken record re the need for corner OFer or SS.

[inari]

How much was Barrett making? This could be to free up money for a Z deal.

[CubColtPacer]

Just for fun, this is Barrett's player profile on baseball prospectus.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/barremi01_001.gif

 

 

 

And this is Bowen's.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/images/bowenro01_001.gif

 

 

Edit:

 

The numbers to the left are what percentile they fall into.

 

Is that before the year or now?

 

Before the year... but still, it's a pretty stark difference.

 

True-but in that, it has to gauge Bowen's absolutely awful 2004 and not good 2005 with his ok 2006 in the majors. Which one is supposed to be believed more? The projections would say 2004 and 2005, but that hasn't happened in his at-bats so far this year.

 

The same thing has happened to Barrett the other way.

 

Will Bowen outperform Barrett with the bat for the rest of 2007? I don't know. Does he have to? Not necessarily-if he gets somewhere close, the improved defense might be enough to make up for it. That's really all the Cubs need to make this a good deal-Bowen to stay close enough to Barrett to not make it too much of a downgrade this year (which is certainly possible), and then the Cubs benefit in 2008 and beyond with Bowen and the prospect.

 

I haven't dug too deeply, but what in Bowens 2007 campaign is drastically different than previously besides BABIP?

 

Not much, but even if he just repeats 2006 that graph will change, because now less importance will be shown to his worse 2004 and 2005.

[nilodnayr]

Let's hope this is the pre-cursor to that Blanco+Jones for A-Rod deal that everyone keeps talking about. Now we'll only have to determine how much cash the Yankees will send the Cubs.

 

They should send us the YES network in the deal to make it fair.

[Mizzou]

How much money is San Diego giving us in this deal?