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[muntjack]

In Iowa:

 

Ronny Cedeno has apparently replaced himself with Alex Rodriguez

(.347/.446/.537) in ~100 ABs

 

Geovany Soto has been on fire all year long

(.325/.398/.548)

 

and EPatt looks like he could contribute right now

(.308/.368/.500)

 

I like Mark DeRosa and I have no problem keeping EPatt in Iowa until September, but I am firmly in the Give-Cedeno-Another-Chance camp. He was terrible here in April but that was in 31 sporadic ABs. He's the same age as EPatt and is showing amazing plate discipline in AAA.

 

Soto turned 24 in January and is above average behind the plate. If MB isn't going to play, he needs to be here.

[Omar]

I can see a Cedeno up, Ohman down possibility.

[moorecg]

I can see a Cedeno up, Ohman down possibility.

 

If he comes up, you have to play him every day for at least 2 weeks to give him a chance....and in a similar note...if he's physically able, I'm fully behind the idea of giving Soto a chance at the ML level.

[waffle]

Man its good to see that down on the farms. Sure hope Ronny has worked it out. C depth and middle infield help sure would look good right now.

 

Hopefully Murton can straighten things up also. Love the fact that they sent him down without alot of fan fare. Good orgs do that.

[NCCubFan]

I agree with bringing Cedeno back up if he's going to play, but not to be a reserve (at least not yet). It looks like he may have worked of the Dustiness at Iowa, but I think he needs to continue playing regularly, whether it's for the Cubs or in AAA. As far as Soto is concerned, as Raisin first mentioned in the Minor League forum, he's currently unable to catch because of a shoulder injury, so he's currently playing 1B and DH. It doesn't sound serious, so hopefully he'll come up to replace Hill when he's able to catch again.

[pitchcs]

Man its good to see that down on the farms. Sure hope Ronny has worked it out. C depth and middle infield help sure would look good right now.

 

Hopefully Murton can straighten things up also. Love the fact that they sent him down without alot of fan fare. Good orgs do that.

 

MI help? I mean honestly, Theriot isn't going down. What is Cedeno gonna do that Fontenot isn't? And Izturis isn't going anywhere. I don't think MI help is needed at the moment (at least it's not going to realistically happen).

[SouthSideRyan]

Von Joshua can do no wrong.

[ctcf]

Why the hell is Izturis still on this baseball team?

[moorecg]

Von Joshua can do no wrong.

 

Why isn't he at the ML Level again?

[Amazing_Grace]

Why the hell is Izturis still on this baseball team?

 

He has a contract and Hendry is still the GM.

[Wilmo]

In Iowa:

 

Ronny Cedeno has apparently replaced himself with Alex Rodriguez

(.347/.446/.537) in ~100 ABs

 

 

I know this is apples and oranges, but if Ronny can put up these type numbers at Iowa, Murton should hit over .400. :shock:

[inari]

I agree with bringing Cedeno back up if he's going to play, but not to be a reserve (at least not yet). It looks like he may have worked of the Dustiness at Iowa, but I think he needs to continue playing regularly, whether it's for the Cubs or in AAA. As far as Soto is concerned, as Raisin first mentioned in the Minor League forum, he's currently unable to catch because of a shoulder injury, so he's currently playing 1B and DH. It doesn't sound serious, so hopefully he'll come up to replace Hill when he's able to catch again.

 

How long has Soto been hurt? Is that why Hill was called up instead?

[Post Count Padder]

Why the hell is Izturis still on this baseball team?

 

He has a contract and Hendry is still the GM.

Beat me to that response

[Guest]

Von Joshua can do no wrong.

 

Why isn't he at the ML Level again?

 

I think he's much more valuable working with minor leaguers as opposed to major leaguers who are already set in their ways.

[Mephistopheles]

Cedeno should play every day. He's proven he can hit AAA pitching with regularity both this season and in 2005. He's got decent hitting skills for a SS and should evolve into a ML average hitter overall (which is slightly above average for a SS). I would have handed Cedeno the job early in the season and played him no matter what. He's Izturis now with a decent chance of being better.

[synergy]

sorry. I'd rather have the LSU connexion. Cedeno played horrible last year and this year. Theriot and Fontenot is fine.

[TruffleShuffle]

He was terrible here in April but that was in 31 sporadic ABs. He's the same age as EPatt and is showing amazing plate discipline in AAA.

 

This doesn't make sense... you're basically writing off his God-awful 2006 and his few ABs with the big club in 2007, but you're embracing the "amazing plate discipline" he's shown in about 100 PAs with Iowa?

[TruffleShuffle]

Cedeno should play every day. He's proven he can hit AAA pitching with regularity both this season and in 2005. He's got decent hitting skills for a SS and should evolve into a ML average hitter overall (which is slightly above average for a SS). I would have handed Cedeno the job early in the season and played him no matter what. He's Izturis now with a decent chance of being better.

 

It's easy to say he should evolve into a ML average hitter overall, but the stats show that he was one of the worst hitters in all of baseball last year. He was actually worse than Izturis by a decent margin, and he certainly has been a worse hitter than Theriot. I'm fine with him playing every day for Iowa, where he can continue to work with Von Joshua and hopefully get back the confidence and discipline that he lost last year.

[Mephistopheles]

Cedeno should play every day. He's proven he can hit AAA pitching with regularity both this season and in 2005. He's got decent hitting skills for a SS and should evolve into a ML average hitter overall (which is slightly above average for a SS). I would have handed Cedeno the job early in the season and played him no matter what. He's Izturis now with a decent chance of being better.

 

It's easy to say he should evolve into a ML average hitter overall, but the stats show that he was one of the worst hitters in all of baseball last year. He was actually worse than Izturis by a decent margin, and he certainly has been a worse hitter than Theriot. I'm fine with him playing every day for Iowa, where he can continue to work with Von Joshua and hopefully get back the confidence and discipline that he lost last year.

 

 

You can shut up about Ryan Theriot. The Riot magic (luck) has worn off and he's simply not good. He's probably a better hitter than Cedeno at this point but doesn't play better defense.

 

Worse than Izturis by a decent margin? He's FIVE runs worse over the course of a full season assuming he got ALL of the starts using Cesar's career .225 EqA and Cedeno's .215 EqA. If you use some PECOTA-adjustment (which you should) Cedeno is a present equal hitter. Those five runs over the course of a season are a WORST CASE scenario and are certainly worth betting for the payout of a player better than Izturis. Izturis is safer, but safe when you're crap like Izturis isn't exactly a good play. Give me the upside of Cedeno. To be honest Theriot and Cedeno are interchangeable in my opinion.

[TruffleShuffle]

Cedeno should play every day. He's proven he can hit AAA pitching with regularity both this season and in 2005. He's got decent hitting skills for a SS and should evolve into a ML average hitter overall (which is slightly above average for a SS). I would have handed Cedeno the job early in the season and played him no matter what. He's Izturis now with a decent chance of being better.

 

It's easy to say he should evolve into a ML average hitter overall, but the stats show that he was one of the worst hitters in all of baseball last year. He was actually worse than Izturis by a decent margin, and he certainly has been a worse hitter than Theriot. I'm fine with him playing every day for Iowa, where he can continue to work with Von Joshua and hopefully get back the confidence and discipline that he lost last year.

 

 

You can shut up about Ryan Theriot. The Riot magic (luck) has worn off and he's simply not good. He's probably a better hitter than Cedeno at this point but doesn't play better defense.

 

Worse than Izturis by a decent margin? He's FIVE runs worse over the course of a full season assuming he got ALL of the starts using Cesar's career .225 EqA and Cedeno's .215 EqA. If you use some PECOTA-adjustment (which you should) Cedeno is a present equal hitter. Those five runs over the course of a season are a WORST CASE scenario and are certainly worth betting for the payout of a player better than Izturis. Izturis is safer, but safe when you're crap like Izturis isn't exactly a good play. Give me the upside of Cedeno. To be honest Theriot and Cedeno are interchangeable in my opinion.

 

So you're just assuming that Cedeno's 550 PAs last year were fluky bad? Actually his BABIP was .302, so it wasn't like he was unlucky. He was just a terrible ballplayer.

 

Actually the guy I want playing SS is Fontenot, who won't play particularly good defense but will add more with the bat. His PECOTA numbers are more in line with his performance last year. I really don't see how it hurts to leave Cedeno at Iowa to gain confidence when the big club is obviously not going to be patient with him if he comes up and has 50 crappy ABs.

[Irrelevant Dude]

You can shut up about Ryan Theriot. The Riot magic (luck) has worn off and he's simply not good. He's probably a better hitter than Cedeno at this point but doesn't play better defense.

Theriot may not be hitting .320 anymore, but I still see a patient hitter who always battles and knows how to play the game. The Cubs are winning because of players like Theriot and Fontenot, not in spite of them, and it's about time the Cubs embrace some of these hard-nosed players instead of the toolsy guys that never seem to pan out. I'm not sold on Cedeno being a better fielder than Theriot either. Any middle infield change right now would be insane.

[Mephistopheles]

So you're just assuming that Cedeno's 550 PAs last year were fluky bad? Actually his BABIP was .302, so it wasn't like he was unlucky. He was just a terrible ballplayer.

 

Show me where I said that I assumed Cedeno's last season was a fluke. I didn't. It was a young player going through an adjustment season. I'm sure given consistent playing time that a drastic turnaround would be imminent. However, if I was wrong, the penalty would be just five runs lower than Izturis. (The payout would range from +15-30 runs over Izturis). You make the call.

 

Actually the guy I want playing SS is Fontenot, who won't play particularly good defense but will add more with the bat. His PECOTA numbers are more in line with his performance last year. I really don't see how it hurts to leave Cedeno at Iowa to gain confidence when the big club is obviously not going to be patient with him if he comes up and has 50 crappy ABs.

 

Are you kidding me. Fontenot? Fontenot would not only be the worst defensive shortstop in the major leagues, he might be the worst defensive shortstop in all of professional and college baseball. He's a passable below average second baseman at best and you're thinking about moving him to shortstop. Seriously, moving Derrek Lee to short would be smarter. Fontenot's bat isn't all that better than Cedeno's or Theriot's. It's better but not nearly good enough to play his defense at short. Don't worry Im sure Fontenot's recent good run is just another NSBB [expletive] Flavor of the Month just like Theriot in 2006 (who has been Cedeno-esque the last six weeks or so), Marqueef in 2007 (who has been the 06 version the last six weeks or so), etc.

Edited June 15, 2007 by Mephistopheles

[Mephistopheles]

You can shut up about Ryan Theriot. The Riot magic (luck) has worn off and he's simply not good. He's probably a better hitter than Cedeno at this point but doesn't play better defense.

Theriot may not be hitting .320 anymore, but I still see a patient hitter who always battles and knows how to play the game. The Cubs are winning because of players like Theriot and Fontenot, not in spite of them, and it's about time the Cubs embrace some of these hard-nosed players instead of the toolsy guys that never seem to pan out. I'm not sold on Cedeno being a better fielder than Theriot either. Any middle infield change right now would be insane.

 

There's a trade off between defense, power and OBP. Moneyball does not equal OBP. Offense does not equal patient hitting. Winning does not equal white players who walk. The Cubs have won a couple of games the last week or so because of Fontenot but let's not forget the year of walk offs from Alex Gonzalez. It's just a random occurrence not anything to expect with routine.

 

The Cubs have not won games the last six weeks because of Theriot, I can promise you that. Theriot has hit .242/.319/.322 since April 23rd.

[TruffleShuffle]

Are you kidding me. Fontenot? Fontenot would not only be the worst defensive shortstop in the major leagues, he might be the worst defensive shortstop in all of professional and college baseball.

 

I guess you've seen him play SS? Word of mouth says he's a bad fielder, but he's looked pretty good out there so far, and Iowa certainly didn't seem shy about putting him at SS. He'll be below-average defensively, no question, and probably one of the best defensive SS in baseball, but he'll be fine on balls that are hit to him and I'd be willing to bet that his bat would make up for the loss of range that your boy Ronny would have.

 

Don't worry Im sure Fontenot's recent good run is just another NSBB [expletive] Flavor of the Month

 

You really like using the word "[expletive]"... how old are you, 13? And by the way, I based my argument on his strong performance at Iowa last year and this year, plus his PECOTA numbers - not his solid last week.

 

 

Marqueef

 

Oooh good one... really showing that maturity again. I'm gonna guess you don't have a whole lot of friends in real life, is this an accurate assessment?

[Keener98]

Cedeno should play every day. He's proven he can hit AAA pitching with regularity both this season and in 2005. He's got decent hitting skills for a SS and should evolve into a ML average hitter overall (which is slightly above average for a SS). I would have handed Cedeno the job early in the season and played him no matter what. He's Izturis now with a decent chance of being better.

 

It's easy to say he should evolve into a ML average hitter overall, but the stats show that he was one of the worst hitters in all of baseball last year. He was actually worse than Izturis by a decent margin, and he certainly has been a worse hitter than Theriot. I'm fine with him playing every day for Iowa, where he can continue to work with Von Joshua and hopefully get back the confidence and discipline that he lost last year.

 

 

You can shut up about Ryan Theriot. The Riot magic (luck) has worn off and he's simply not good. He's probably a better hitter than Cedeno at this point but doesn't play better defense.

 

Worse than Izturis by a decent margin? He's FIVE runs worse over the course of a full season assuming he got ALL of the starts using Cesar's career .225 EqA and Cedeno's .215 EqA. If you use some PECOTA-adjustment (which you should) Cedeno is a present equal hitter. Those five runs over the course of a season are a WORST CASE scenario and are certainly worth betting for the payout of a player better than Izturis. Izturis is safer, but safe when you're crap like Izturis isn't exactly a good play. Give me the upside of Cedeno. To be honest Theriot and Cedeno are interchangeable in my opinion.

 

You really need to get over yourself.