6/9 Cubs (Marquis) @ Braves (Hudson) 6:05 WGN

[Soul]

This has reached the point of stupdity.

 

How can you warn that you'll throw guys out and then not throw them out?

I can't blame him for using discretion to now throw any of the pitchers out of the game so far, but it's the initial warning that was the problem

 

That's the problem. You're saying discretion is no longer in play -- you're going to throw out the next guy who comes close.

 

Otherwise the warning means nothing.

That's not necessarily true. The umpire can still use discretion after issuing a warning and it's pretty obvious that the Braves don't want to hit a pitcher (Gallagher) and a pitcher-wannabe (Izturis). I agree that the warning was stupid, but there haven't been any other pitches thrown with intent that would warrant an ejection.

 

Then what does the warning really mean? An ump can always throw a pitcher out when there was intent to hit someone, whether there was a previous warning or not.

It's true that an umpire can throw a pitcher out an any time whether or not there has been a warning issued, but it rarely happens that way. The warning means they don't want any more pupose pitches being thrown, and in this case it has prevented the Cubs from retaliating... until tomorrow.

 

I don't think so. We'll have to agree to disagree. In my opinion, when the ump gives a warning, he's saying there's not going to be that normal discretion. That's why pitchers are unable to throw inside afterwards. That's also why Lou has his hands up in the air after the Braves pitcher hit another batter, even though it was the pitcher. It's because that ump just didn't follow through on his threat.

 

But like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.

[jjgman21]

Tschida seems to be calling everything a ball out of habit now.

 

I'm sure the just grew weary of that. time to 'balance things out.'

[rynefan]

LONG game...

[Irrelevant Dude]

This has reached the point of stupdity.

 

How can you warn that you'll throw guys out and then not throw them out?

I can't blame him for using discretion to now throw any of the pitchers out of the game so far, but it's the initial warning that was the problem

 

That's the problem. You're saying discretion is no longer in play -- you're going to throw out the next guy who comes close.

 

Otherwise the warning means nothing.

That's not necessarily true. The umpire can still use discretion after issuing a warning and it's pretty obvious that the Braves don't want to hit a pitcher (Gallagher) and a pitcher-wannabe (Izturis). I agree that the warning was stupid, but there haven't been any other pitches thrown with intent that would warrant an ejection.

 

Then what does the warning really mean? An ump can always throw a pitcher out when there was intent to hit someone, whether there was a previous warning or not.

It's true that an umpire can throw a pitcher out an any time whether or not there has been a warning issued, but it rarely happens that way. The warning means they don't want any more pupose pitches being thrown, and in this case it has prevented the Cubs from retaliating... until tomorrow.

 

at which time the pitcher and Lou will be ejected immediately.

 

the net effect of giving warnings is usually a benefit to the offending team. LaRussa has used it for years. beaning someone who honestly beats him, or in retaliation for an honest mistake, then crying foul when anyone pitches close to his batters.

 

 

the right call is to eject Hudson immediately, or issue the warning after Marquis beans Jones.

Agreed.

[Andy]

I passed on great seats to the Cards-Angels game for free, just to stay home and watch this. Damnit.

You always choose live baseball over TV baseball unless there's a damn good reason. The Cubs are never under the category of a damn good reason.

[rynefan]

Andy is right about that.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

I have tickets to Thursday's game against the Mariners. Does anyone happen to know whose turn it would be in the rotation on that day?

[mspcanes1]

Tschida seems to be calling everything a ball out of habit now.

 

I'm sure the just grew weary of that. time to 'balance things out.'

 

true dat. the 3 inches off the plate fastball is now a strike

[Butterscup1679666578]

here comes a worthless HR by soriano.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I have tickets to Thursday's game against the Mariners. Does anyone happen to know whose turn it would be in the rotation on that day?

 

Marquis

[Mizzou]

I have tickets to Thursday's game against the Mariners. Does anyone happen to know whose turn it would be in the rotation on that day?

Should be Marquis.

[Irrelevant Dude]

I have tickets to Thursday's game against the Mariners. Does anyone happen to know whose turn it would be in the rotation on that day?

The Cubs are playing Toronto on Thursday. I have tickets to that game also and I believe it will be Marquis again.

[Careless]

cubs are about to go to 3-17 in games that eyre has pitched

Really?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I have tickets to Thursday's game against the Mariners. Does anyone happen to know whose turn it would be in the rotation on that day?

The Cubs are playing Toronto on Thursday. I have tickets to that game also and I believe it will be Marquis again.

 

No, it's Seattle.

[mspcanes1]

I passed on great seats to the Cards-Angels game for free, just to stay home and watch this. Damnit.

You always choose live baseball over TV baseball unless there's a damn good reason. The Cubs are never under the category of a damn good reason.

 

i'm going to red sox v. d-backs tomorrow. dice k v the big unit!!!

[Irrelevant Dude]

I have tickets to Thursday's game against the Mariners. Does anyone happen to know whose turn it would be in the rotation on that day?

The Cubs are playing Toronto on Thursday. I have tickets to that game also and I believe it will be Marquis again.

Correction. I don't know why I thought it was Toronto, but I just checked my tickets and it's Seattle.

[Butterscup1679666578]

cubs are about to go to 3-17 in games that eyre has pitched

Really?

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=eyresc01&t=p&year=2007

[jjgman21]

the right call is to eject Hudson immediately, or issue the warning after Marquis beans Jones.

Agreed.

 

I personally think the other is the right choice. if they are really looking to crack down on beanballing, bring instant discipline to the first wrong. smack the puppy on the nose when he makes a poop on the rug, not after you pick it up and get some on your hands.

 

it was an obvious intentional beanball, and obviously something called for from the bench.

 

eject Hudson and Cox right there, and then its a fair ball game, and noone gets hurt.

Edited June 10, 2007 by jjgman21

[rynefan]

I'm surprised it's not worse than 3-17. It sure feels that way.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Pie is awesome.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Pie extends his hitting streak.

[98navigator]

Pie singles

[Warpticon]

Hit streak continues! :D

[Butterscup1679666578]

my fault, they are going to be 3-18 when eyre pitches.

[Mizzou]

What's his streak?