The Chicago Bulls 2007 Offseason Thread

[imb]

Read Chad Ford's piece about Yi. Doesn't appear to be a softy like Bargnani, nor a total workout wonder like Skita.

 

Looks to be the real deal.

 

How can you take anything that Chad Ford says seriously? He just latches on to a foreign big man every single year. The stuff about Yi's "elbow finishing at the rim every time" is ridiculous. His videos are all over youtube, and while it's clear he's more athletic than you would think at first glance, he's not exactly jumping out of the gym.

 

And don't ever go to nbadraft.net for in depth scouting, I mean, just read the contradiction's on Yi's "profile".

 

"Has good shooting mechanics...he has a slow release that needs to be worked on"

"Plays with solid aggressiveness, competitive player with a high level of energy and intensity...he's just a competitior...can be too laid back on the floor, so raising his intensity level is important"

"Has an American [NBA] style of game, very quick and athletic...he will need an adjustment to the speed and strength of the NBA"

"Solid defensively as a shot blocker...he will not be the shot blocking presence that he is in the China due to his timing and the speed of the NBA game"

"Good ball handler...soft touch...His hands are a little weak making it easier for opponents to poke the ball away, so he needs to work on ballhandling"

 

Thumbs up, thanks for that hard work fellas.

 

 

is funny though. "EEEEN JOOOR FACE PAU GASOL".

[Exile on Waveland]

A few thoughts:

 

1. Drew Gooden? Why? What in the world would that accomplish for the Bulls? I don't see how he's what they need at all.

 

2. Bargnani isn't a softy.

 

3. I don't trust anything Chad Ford says about international players. Workouts are just that, workouts. That said, that doesn't mean Jianlian won't be good. I have no idea.

 

4. I have no idea why McHale didn't take that deal. That would've been an absolute steal, even for a guy like KG. That would've rebuilt the entire T-Wolves franchise.

[Soriano12]

Well 9 it is. And I am firmly on the Mike Conley bandwgn. Let it be known!

[Soul]

TwinCities.com[/url]"]Don't think the Chicago Bulls aren't glad that the Timberwolves a year ago never seriously considered their offer of Luol Deng (22 years old), Tyson Chandler (24) and Chris Duhon (24), plus two first-round draft picks (one of which the Bulls ended up using for Tyrus Thomas, who is 20), for Kevin Garnett.

 

The Bulls, who have a promising future with those players (who also happen to be good citizens), wouldn't come close to making that offer to Minnesota again.

Kevin Mchale, Best GM in Sports

 

wow, that deal would have sucked in retrospect

 

Wow, that pretty much confirms McHale's a poor GM. Did he ever blow that one. The T-Wolves are sinking like the Titanic, I wonder how much longer before McHale gets his pink slip?

[Derwood]

someone just IM'd me saying they already heard #9 pick for Randolph

[1908]

someone just IM'd me saying they already heard #9 pick for Randolph

Randolf's set to make $13.34M next year. The Bulls would have to package more than Noc (sign and trade) to make the money work most likely.

[Derwood]

someone just IM'd me saying they already heard #9 pick for Randolph

Randolf's set to make $13.34M next year. The Bulls would have to package more than Noc (sign and trade) to make the money work most likely.

 

Boers and Bernstein said they could make Stoudamire work, so they could make Randolph work. They have the $8mil from PJ Brown plus their MLE to work with

[CubColtPacer]

someone just IM'd me saying they already heard #9 pick for Randolph

Randolf's set to make $13.34M next year. The Bulls would have to package more than Noc (sign and trade) to make the money work most likely.

 

Boers and Bernstein said they could make Stoudamire work, so they could make Randolph work. They have the $8mil from PJ Brown plus their MLE to work with

 

You can't trade a MLE, and P.J. Brown is a free agent. Neither of those would work in trying to match up salaries in order to make a trade.

[1908]

someone just IM'd me saying they already heard #9 pick for Randolph

Randolf's set to make $13.34M next year. The Bulls would have to package more than Noc (sign and trade) to make the money work most likely.

 

Boers and Bernstein said they could make Stoudamire work, so they could make Randolph work. They have the $8mil from PJ Brown plus their MLE to work with

They could make Stoudemire work because they would be signing and trading Deng to get him -- probably throwing in Tyrus as well. What kind of package are you suggesting for Randolf? The $8M for PJ Brown is gone and you can't use the MLE like that. That is, you can't take $XM and add it to the MLE to sign a player.

[Mark_R]

Read Chad Ford's piece about Yi. Doesn't appear to be a softy like Bargnani, nor a total workout wonder like Skita.

 

Looks to be the real deal.

 

How can you take anything that Chad Ford says seriously? He just latches on to a foreign big man every single year. The stuff about Yi's "elbow finishing at the rim every time" is ridiculous. His videos are all over youtube, and while it's clear he's more athletic than you would think at first glance, he's not exactly jumping out of the gym.

 

And don't ever go to nbadraft.net for in depth scouting, I mean, just read the contradiction's on Yi's "profile".

 

"Has good shooting mechanics...he has a slow release that needs to be worked on"

"Plays with solid aggressiveness, competitive player with a high level of energy and intensity...he's just a competitior...can be too laid back on the floor, so raising his intensity level is important"

"Has an American [NBA] style of game, very quick and athletic...he will need an adjustment to the speed and strength of the NBA"

"Solid defensively as a shot blocker...he will not be the shot blocking presence that he is in the China due to his timing and the speed of the NBA game"

"Good ball handler...soft touch...His hands are a little weak making it easier for opponents to poke the ball away, so he needs to work on ballhandling"

 

Thumbs up, thanks for that hard work fellas.

 

 

is funny though. "EEEEN JOOOR FACE PAU GASOL".

 

While I am a bit skeptical on how Chad chooses to incorporate quotes into his pieces, the gushing is hardly just from him. I wouldn't be shocked to see scouts and GM's legitimately excited about him to the point where they'd spend a high lottery pick on him. And at least he SEES this guy play instead of a lot of other "draft experts" who offer very little insight and nuggets such as "well, I"ve never seen him play..."

[Derwood]

someone just IM'd me saying they already heard #9 pick for Randolph

Randolf's set to make $13.34M next year. The Bulls would have to package more than Noc (sign and trade) to make the money work most likely.

 

Boers and Bernstein said they could make Stoudamire work, so they could make Randolph work. They have the $8mil from PJ Brown plus their MLE to work with

They could make Stoudemire work because they would be signing and trading Deng to get him -- probably throwing in Tyrus as well. What kind of package are you suggesting for Randolf? The $8M for PJ Brown is gone and you can't use the MLE like that. That is, you can't take $XM and add it to the MLE to sign a player.

 

why is the $8 mil gone?

[Mark_R]

someone just IM'd me saying they already heard #9 pick for Randolph

Randolf's set to make $13.34M next year. The Bulls would have to package more than Noc (sign and trade) to make the money work most likely.

 

Boers and Bernstein said they could make Stoudamire work, so they could make Randolph work. They have the $8mil from PJ Brown plus their MLE to work with

They could make Stoudemire work because they would be signing and trading Deng to get him -- probably throwing in Tyrus as well. What kind of package are you suggesting for Randolf? The $8M for PJ Brown is gone and you can't use the MLE like that. That is, you can't take $XM and add it to the MLE to sign a player.

 

why is the $8 mil gone?

 

Because he's an UFA.

[Guest]

Meh, Randolph would be great but would Paxson and Skiles even be interested in a guy like him attitude-wise?

[gflore34]

Read a little blurb about Nic Collison in Sam Smith's Trib article, I don't find any utility in getting Collison. They need a legitimate low post threat, someone who will draw a double team every time he gets the ball in the paint.

[Derwood]

someone just IM'd me saying they already heard #9 pick for Randolph

Randolf's set to make $13.34M next year. The Bulls would have to package more than Noc (sign and trade) to make the money work most likely.

 

Boers and Bernstein said they could make Stoudamire work, so they could make Randolph work. They have the $8mil from PJ Brown plus their MLE to work with

They could make Stoudemire work because they would be signing and trading Deng to get him -- probably throwing in Tyrus as well. What kind of package are you suggesting for Randolf? The $8M for PJ Brown is gone and you can't use the MLE like that. That is, you can't take $XM and add it to the MLE to sign a player.

 

why is the $8 mil gone?

 

Because he's an UFA.

 

right, but doesn't his salary clear your cap to be used for someone else?

[1908]

right, but doesn't his salary clear your cap to be used for someone else?

The Bulls can -- and will, most likely -- use most of that money to sign Nocioni. How does trading $7-8M get you $13.34M in return? The Bulls need to trade at least $10.76M to take back Randolf's contract. And taking on Randolf would make it very difficult for them to extend Deng and Gordon.

[1908]

Meh, Randolph would be great but would Paxson and Skiles even be interested in a guy like him attitude-wise?

I doubt it at his price. He's making as much money as Gasol.

[USSoccer]

right, but doesn't his salary clear your cap to be used for someone else?

The Bulls can -- and will, most likely -- use most of that money to sign Nocioni. How does trading $7-8M get you $13.34M in return? The Bulls need to trade at least $10.76M to take back Randolf's contract. And taking on Randolf would make it very difficult for them to extend Deng and Gordon.

 

What does Duhon make? I'm sure the Bulls would include him in any deal. He's superflous on a team with Hinrich, Gordon and Thabo.

[Chocolate Milk]

is funny though. "EEEEN JOOOR FACE PAU GASOL".

 

Wow. I just assumed this guy was a giant stiff for some reason.

[1908]

What does Duhon make? I'm sure the Bulls would include him in any deal. He's superflous on a team with Hinrich, Gordon and Thabo.

$3M. Trading $11M for $13.34M is allowed, but it would hamstring the Bulls ability to keep both Deng and Gordon after the 07-08 season.

[USSoccer]

What does Duhon make? I'm sure the Bulls would include him in any deal. He's superflous on a team with Hinrich, Gordon and Thabo.

$3M. Trading $11M for $13.34M is allowed, but it would hamstring the Bulls ability to keep both Deng and Gordon after the 07-08 season.

 

That's an easy choice to make as far as who to keep, though.

[1908]

What does Duhon make? I'm sure the Bulls would include him in any deal. He's superflous on a team with Hinrich, Gordon and Thabo.

$3M. Trading $11M for $13.34M is allowed, but it would hamstring the Bulls ability to keep both Deng and Gordon after the 07-08 season.

That's an easy choice to make as far as who to keep, though.

The easier choice for me is to not take on an overpaid basket-case like Randolf.

[USSoccer]

What does Duhon make? I'm sure the Bulls would include him in any deal. He's superflous on a team with Hinrich, Gordon and Thabo.

$3M. Trading $11M for $13.34M is allowed, but it would hamstring the Bulls ability to keep both Deng and Gordon after the 07-08 season.

That's an easy choice to make as far as who to keep, though.

The easier choice for me is to not take on an overpaid basket-case like Randolf.

 

Agreed.

 

Do you see us being players for Gasol, O'Neal, Garnett or Stoudemire? I'm not sure we have the salaries to make it work anymore, without PJ's contract. Would you give up Gordon to get one of these 4?

[1908]

Agreed.

 

Do you see us being players for Gasol, O'Neal, Garnett or Stoudemire? I'm not sure we have the salaries to make it work anymore, without PJ's contract. Would you give up Gordon to get one of these 4?

I would give up Deng or Gordon for Stoudemire, maybe even both. He's a 24-year-old superstar.

 

I'm wary of giving up too much to get Garnett, Gasol and especially O'Neal. I could live with trading Gordon for any of them, but it would take more than that to get the salaries to match up, and Gordon would need to agree to sign an extension to up his salary value. Shouldn't be an issue, unless he doesn't like where he's being traded and would rather be a free agent in two years.

[USSoccer]

Agreed.

 

Do you see us being players for Gasol, O'Neal, Garnett or Stoudemire? I'm not sure we have the salaries to make it work anymore, without PJ's contract. Would you give up Gordon to get one of these 4?

I would give up Deng or Gordon for Stoudemire, maybe even both. He's a 24-year-old superstar.

 

I'm wary of giving up too much to get Garnett, Gasol and especially O'Neal. I could live with trading Gordon for any of them, but it would take more than that to get the salaries to match up, and Gordon would need to agree to sign an extension to up his salary value. Shouldn't be an issue, unless he doesn't like where he's being traded and would rather be a free agent in two years.

 

Wouldn't Gasol be the best fit after Amare? It seems he'd have an easy time fittin ginto the draw and kick kind of offense as far as passing, movement, etc.