2007 NFL Draft

[Soul]

Alright. That's why I asked for a definition of big time prospect. To me, players drafted late in the 1st round are generally not big time prospects.

 

And BTW, there's always many more than 32 players who are considered "1st round picks" each year by someone or another. So that just doesn't have a lot of meaning for me.

 

Here's the problem - and the thing IMB! has been harking on for a while now and you just touched on it - it's too early before January. JMR was definitely on the scouts' radars and didn't come from nowhere. By the time the Sugar Bowl had come around, he had definitely become a first round pick...he was still below Quinn, but it wasn't a surprise that he was there.

 

In terms of a "big time prospect" (pretty tough to define), I think a potential first rounder with the skill set of JMR has to be considered a big time prospect because those skills can easily help him move up a lot.

 

I understand. To me a 'big time' prospect is like porn----I can't define it for you, but I know it when I see it.

 

I look at a guy like Vick. Manning. Bush. I see a 'big time' prospect. I look at Russell, I don't. You're using a much wider perspective.

[soccer10k]

Russell has done a whole lot more on the field, against much tougher opponents.

 

And how much of that was due to the talent at LSU? I'm guessing a lot. I'm not saying Russell would have been trash otherwise but he wouldn't be anywhere near the prospect he is if he switched spots with Quinn. The talent at LSU was miles ahead of the talent at Notre Dame the last couple years.

 

Umm, we're comparing JMR to John Navarre of an equally talented Michigan teams. Not talking about ND here.

 

I just used Notre Dame because of Quinn. I could have used any team with substantially less talent than LSU had and the point would still stand.

 

How much of Russell's numbers were based on how much talent he had around him?

 

We're getting to a different subject here - I agree with you that JMR was aided by a good team (but scouts don't look at just how he does against a porous ND defense while LSU has many other NFL caliber offensive players). As I've already said, I'm not the biggest JMR fan. Just stating he didn't come out of nowhere.

 

That doesn't change the fact that JMR was a probable first rounder during the regular college football season and a potential top-10 pick right before the Sugar Bowl.

 

You think he was a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl and I don't. Can we agree to disagree and end this debate.

[Banedon]

unless someone trades in before 31, i think Quinn will be there :shock:

 

Dallas, Jacksonville and Baltimore are the biggest threats to take him before then I think.

 

I wouldn't consider Dallas a serious threat for taking Quinn, I think if anything they're bluffing and trying to get someone to trade up with them.

 

Jerry Jones likes him some big names though, so I'm leaving that as a possibility.

 

He does, but so far he has been really committed to Tony Romo being the QB of the future. From his comments leading up to the draft, I get the feeling we're looking at a CB.

 

Well it won't be Hall...:P

[RynoRules]

unless someone trades in before 31, i think Quinn will be there :shock:

 

I think the Bears will deal 31 to the Browns for their no. 2 and no. 3.

 

That'd be a nice deal. I still think it would be tough to pass on Quinn though. If Grossman doesn't pan out this season, we don't have a franchise QB, unless you're a real big fan of Orton.

 

Then use the extra second rnd pick on Trent Edwards or John Beck. I like Beck quite a bit.

[Soul]

I bet Bengals fans are pumped they landed Hall.

 

They probably should be. Is it just me, or does it seem every year some highly regarded Michigan players drop down on draft day?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Dammit, I gotta run just as we close in on the Bears' picks.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Russell has done a whole lot more on the field, against much tougher opponents.

 

And how much of that was due to the talent at LSU? I'm guessing a lot. I'm not saying Russell would have been trash otherwise but he wouldn't be anywhere near the prospect he is if he switched spots with Quinn. The talent at LSU was miles ahead of the talent at Notre Dame the last couple years.

 

Umm, we're comparing JMR to John Navarre of an equally talented Michigan teams. Not talking about ND here.

 

I just used Notre Dame because of Quinn. I could have used any team with substantially less talent than LSU had and the point would still stand.

 

How much of Russell's numbers were based on how much talent he had around him?

 

We're getting to a different subject here - I agree with you that JMR was aided by a good team (but scouts don't look at just how he does against a porous ND defense while LSU has many other NFL caliber offensive players). As I've already said, I'm not the biggest JMR fan. Just stating he didn't come out of nowhere.

 

That doesn't change the fact that JMR was a probable first rounder during the regular college football season and a potential top-10 pick right before the Sugar Bowl.

 

You think he was a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl and I don't. Can we agree to disagree and end this debate.

 

Fine by me.

[texascub]

Hey Vance, if you're interest you there is a webcam in Cowboys' War Room that you can watch here(warning it does not work with Firefox).

[soccer10k]

I'm really, REALLY hoping one of Bowe, Meachem, or Jarrett (who is most likely to still be on the board) are still available at the beginning of the second round. Hell, Quinn could still be available for the Raiders to take then. Is it too late to trade Russell to the Lions for Johnson?

[texascub]

unless someone trades in before 31, i think Quinn will be there :shock:

 

Dallas, Jacksonville and Baltimore are the biggest threats to take him before then I think.

 

I wouldn't consider Dallas a serious threat for taking Quinn, I think if anything they're bluffing and trying to get someone to trade up with them.

 

Jerry Jones likes him some big names though, so I'm leaving that as a possibility.

 

He does, but so far he has been really committed to Tony Romo being the QB of the future. From his comments leading up to the draft, I get the feeling we're looking at a CB.

 

Well it won't be Hall...:P

 

Gosselin has the Cowboys taking Aaron Ross, which is just fine with me.

[Soul]

Just throwing it out there: if Olsen were still there @31, don't you simply have to take him if you're Angelo?

[Banedon]

Dammit, I gotta run just as we close in on the Bears' picks.

 

It's taking about an hour for 5 picks right now...so you got around 2 hours still I'm guessing.

[Banedon]

Just throwing it out there: if Olsen were still there @31, don't you simply have to take him if you're Angelo?

 

Depends if Quinn is there too.

[imb]

Russell has done a whole lot more on the field, against much tougher opponents.

 

And how much of that was due to the talent at LSU? I'm guessing a lot. I'm not saying Russell would have been trash otherwise but he wouldn't be anywhere near the prospect he is if he switched spots with Quinn. The talent at LSU was miles ahead of the talent at Notre Dame the last couple years.

 

Umm, we're comparing JMR to John Navarre of an equally talented Michigan teams. Not talking about ND here.

 

I just used Notre Dame because of Quinn. I could have used any team with substantially less talent than LSU had and the point would still stand.

 

How much of Russell's numbers were based on how much talent he had around him?

 

We're getting to a different subject here - I agree with you that JMR was aided by a good team (but scouts don't look at just how he does against a porous ND defense while LSU has many other NFL caliber offensive players). As I've already said, I'm not the biggest JMR fan. Just stating he didn't come out of nowhere.

 

That doesn't change the fact that JMR was a probable first rounder during the regular college football season and a potential top-10 pick right before the Sugar Bowl.

 

You think he was a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl and I don't. Can we agree to disagree and end this debate.

 

I don't think he was a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl, either, but compare a top 10 board before the Sugar Bowl to the players that went top 10 today and there will be a ton of variance.

 

He was a prospect to be in the top 10, though. He's a guy with such incredible tools that all he needed was matching production to shoot himself up the charts. He did that and had a great workout and there you go. There are a lot of top ten prospects each year, especially in November/December, etc..

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

unless someone trades in before 31, i think Quinn will be there :shock:

 

Dallas, Jacksonville and Baltimore are the biggest threats to take him before then I think.

 

I wouldn't consider Dallas a serious threat for taking Quinn, I think if anything they're bluffing and trying to get someone to trade up with them.

 

Jerry Jones likes him some big names though, so I'm leaving that as a possibility.

 

He does, but so far he has been really committed to Tony Romo being the QB of the future. From his comments leading up to the draft, I get the feeling we're looking at a CB.

 

I agree that we were probably going CB or WR going into the draft, but they also didn't forsee Quinn falling.

 

Jerry likes Romo, but Quinn would be a nice insurance policy. At 22, he wouldn't be too expensive of a gamble.

 

I'm getting word of a rumor that if Quinn is there at 22, either Dallas will take him or is trying to trade him to Cleveland for their second round pick this year and either a 1st or 2nd round pick next year.

[reggiemiller rules]

Man there is quite a few people on the Rams Talk board how are not happy with the Carriker pick. I really like the pick for them, the only other player who was available at their pick that I would have liked is Revis.

[texascub]

unless someone trades in before 31, i think Quinn will be there :shock:

 

Dallas, Jacksonville and Baltimore are the biggest threats to take him before then I think.

 

I wouldn't consider Dallas a serious threat for taking Quinn, I think if anything they're bluffing and trying to get someone to trade up with them.

 

Jerry Jones likes him some big names though, so I'm leaving that as a possibility.

 

He does, but so far he has been really committed to Tony Romo being the QB of the future. From his comments leading up to the draft, I get the feeling we're looking at a CB.

 

I agree that we were probably going CB or WR going into the draft, but they also didn't forsee Quinn falling.

 

Jerry likes Romo, but Quinn would be a nice insurance policy. At 22, he wouldn't be too expensive of a gamble.

 

I'm getting word of a rumor that if Quinn is there at 22, either Dallas will take him or is trying to trade him to Cleveland for their second round pick this year and either a 1st or 2nd round pick next year.

 

I'm hearing about the trade possibility as well, and I would do it. From what I'm hearing it might be Cleveland's 2nd and 3rd this year and an additional pick next year.

[imb]

unless someone trades in before 31, i think Quinn will be there :shock:

 

Dallas, Jacksonville and Baltimore are the biggest threats to take him before then I think.

 

I wouldn't consider Dallas a serious threat for taking Quinn, I think if anything they're bluffing and trying to get someone to trade up with them.

 

Jerry Jones likes him some big names though, so I'm leaving that as a possibility.

 

He does, but so far he has been really committed to Tony Romo being the QB of the future. From his comments leading up to the draft, I get the feeling we're looking at a CB.

 

I agree that we were probably going CB or WR going into the draft, but they also didn't forsee Quinn falling.

 

Jerry likes Romo, but Quinn would be a nice insurance policy. At 22, he wouldn't be too expensive of a gamble.

 

I'm getting word of a rumor that if Quinn is there at 22, either Dallas will take him or is trying to trade him to Cleveland for their second round pick this year and either a 1st or 2nd round pick next year.

 

I love this plan, if it works.

[reggiemiller rules]

unless someone trades in before 31, i think Quinn will be there :shock:

 

Dallas, Jacksonville and Baltimore are the biggest threats to take him before then I think.

 

I wouldn't consider Dallas a serious threat for taking Quinn, I think if anything they're bluffing and trying to get someone to trade up with them.

 

Jerry Jones likes him some big names though, so I'm leaving that as a possibility.

 

He does, but so far he has been really committed to Tony Romo being the QB of the future. From his comments leading up to the draft, I get the feeling we're looking at a CB.

 

I agree that we were probably going CB or WR going into the draft, but they also didn't forsee Quinn falling.

 

Jerry likes Romo, but Quinn would be a nice insurance policy. At 22, he wouldn't be too expensive of a gamble.

 

I'm getting word of a rumor that if Quinn is there at 22, either Dallas will take him or is trying to trade him to Cleveland for their second round pick this year and either a 1st or 2nd round pick next year.

 

I'm hearing about the trade possibility as well, and I would do it. From what I'm hearing it might be Cleveland's 2nd and 3rd this year and an additional pick next year.

 

I would do my 2nd this year and next if I was Cleveland. If you can leave the first round with Thomas and Quinn that is a good draft.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I tried the cam of the Cowboys draft room, but I can't stand Norm's voice, so I turned it off.

[Banedon]

Attn ESPN:

 

I do not care about Nascar.

[texascub]

The Tennessee Titans have selected Michael Griffin S Texas. Yet another shocking pick.

[Flames24Rulz]

Griffin over Nelson? Wow.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Griffin the first safety taken!??!?!

[Post Count Padder]

Griffin, what the heck?! We needed a WR!!!!! :evil: