Murton getting benched again for lesser player

[Schwarber Fan]

I have no control over what Lou does but I think it's time Murton gets consistent starts....

[RegulusBlue]

Murton = 1 AB with game on the line and he swings at all 3 pitches and pops out

 

Floyd = 2-4, big single in 9th

 

I'm sticking with Cliff until Matt proves me otherwise...

 

well, that's twice floyd's made the third out "with the game on the line." changed your mind yet?

 

Ruh Roh Aramis Fan, Floyd just completely crapped his pants to end today's game. So that's one to three in favor of Floyd in our small sample size bonanza of baseball wisdom.

 

This is a bigger joke than Murton sitting the bench.

 

Edit: Sorry Aramis Fan, but this analysis is why we play the wrong players and lose constantly.

Edited April 15, 2007 by RegulusBlue

[rocket]

Murton = 1 AB with game on the line and he swings at all 3 pitches and pops out

 

Floyd = 2-4, big single in 9th

 

I'm sticking with Cliff until Matt proves me otherwise...

 

well, that's twice floyd's made the third out "with the game on the line." changed your mind yet?

 

Ruh Roh Aramis Fan, Floyd just completely crapped his pants to end today's game. So that's one to three in favor of Floyd in our small sample size bonanza of baseball wisdom.

 

You are a bigger joke than Murton sitting the bench.

 

settle down friend. the poor guy posted right above you that he thought murton should now get consistent starts.

[Banedon]

Murton = 1 AB with game on the line and he swings at all 3 pitches and pops out

 

Floyd = 2-4, big single in 9th

 

I'm sticking with Cliff until Matt proves me otherwise...

 

well, that's twice floyd's made the third out "with the game on the line." changed your mind yet?

 

Ruh Roh Aramis Fan, Floyd just completely crapped his pants to end today's game. So that's one to three in favor of Floyd in our small sample size bonanza of baseball wisdom.

 

You are a bigger joke than Murton sitting the bench.

 

No need to make it personal. See the link in my sig for the rules on personal attacks.

[Laura]

Piniella said on the radio pre-game show that he '[had] to get Murton in the lineup' and that he would in the SD series.

[frostwyrm]

Piniella said on the radio pre-game show that he '[had] to get Murton in the lineup' and that he would in the SD series.

 

This will be easily the most important game of Murt's career. If puts up an 0-fer he's a platoon player.

[RegulusBlue]

Piniella said on the radio pre-game show that he '[had] to get Murton in the lineup' and that he would in the SD series.

 

This will be easily the most important game of Murt's career. If puts up an 0-fer he's a platoon player.

 

Truer words were never spoken, IMO.

 

The Cubs have done nothing to show that they believe in Matt, and that they are actually against playing him. Why else campaign for him starting, then pull the rug out after one game?

[Schwarber Fan]

YIKES!

 

I smell personal attacks...

 

Did u even read my post above???

 

Floyd earned those starts but its time to play Murton now, this lineup obviously isn't working...

[BigbadB]

Instead of arguing Murton and Floyd, how about we just sit Jacque Jones down for a whole series. That at bat with 1st and 3rd and nobody out might rank among the worst at bats I've ever witnessed from a "major league" hitter in my entire life.

[Vinestal]

Instead of arguing Murton and Floyd, how about we just sit Jacque Jones down for a whole series. That at bat with 1st and 3rd and nobody out might rank among the worst at bats I've ever witnessed from a "major league" hitter in my entire life.

 

JJ looked aweful the first 2 or 3 months of last season as well but then turned things around with a great second half. I was really hoping they would trade him during the offseason, as I saw this kinda start coming. I wonder if Floyd could play right and Murton left?

[CubColtPacer]

Instead of arguing Murton and Floyd, how about we just sit Jacque Jones down for a whole series. That at bat with 1st and 3rd and nobody out might rank among the worst at bats I've ever witnessed from a "major league" hitter in my entire life.

 

JJ looked aweful the first 2 or 3 months of last season as well but then turned things around with a great second half. I was really hoping they would trade him during the offseason, as I saw this kinda start coming. I wonder if Floyd could play right and Murton left?

 

Not quite-JJ was awful in the first month of each half (April/July). He was very good in both May and June.

 

As far as Floyd playing right and Murton left, I'm not sure. They were going to have Floyd play right in 1 ST game this season, but then they changed their minds 15-20 minutes before gametime. As far as I know, neither one of them has gotten any time in RF at all this season even in the spring (and IIRC, Murton has never played there in his career).

[Vinestal]

Instead of arguing Murton and Floyd, how about we just sit Jacque Jones down for a whole series. That at bat with 1st and 3rd and nobody out might rank among the worst at bats I've ever witnessed from a "major league" hitter in my entire life.

 

JJ looked aweful the first 2 or 3 months of last season as well but then turned things around with a great second half. I was really hoping they would trade him during the offseason, as I saw this kinda start coming. I wonder if Floyd could play right and Murton left?

 

Not quite-JJ was awful in the first month of each half (April/July). He was very good in both May and June.

 

As far as Floyd playing right and Murton left, I'm not sure. They were going to have Floyd play right in 1 ST game this season, but then they changed their minds 15-20 minutes before gametime. As far as I know, neither one of them has gotten any time in RF at all this season even in the spring (and IIRC, Murton has never played there in his career).

 

Oh, it just seemed like 2 or 3 months lol

[Coach C]

I guess I couldn't understand why Lou kept JJ on a lefty on the bottom of the ninth, before Weathers came in.

 

Man, if only Barrett had his bat out a little bit earlier....

[rickrolled]

I guess I couldn't understand why Lou kept JJ on a lefty on the bottom of the ninth, before Weathers came in.

 

Man, if only Barrett had his bat out a little bit earlier....

 

In Barrett's AB in the 9th, I thought that one deep flyball he hit was going to be a HR, of course it was just a long, loud strike.

[Keener98]

I guess I couldn't understand why Lou kept JJ on a lefty on the bottom of the ninth, before Weathers came in.

 

Man, if only Barrett had his bat out a little bit earlier....

 

Because Lou messed up by pinch hitting with Murton earler and leaving himself with only Ward(lefty) and Blanco on the bench to ph. Ward shouldve pinch hit with Ward first but Lou didnt think that far ahead and see the possible Stanton Jones matchup.

[CubColtPacer]

I guess I couldn't understand why Lou kept JJ on a lefty on the bottom of the ninth, before Weathers came in.

 

Man, if only Barrett had his bat out a little bit earlier....

 

Because Lou messed up by pinch hitting with Murton earler and leaving himself with only Ward(lefty) and Blanco on the bench to ph. Ward shouldve pinch hit with Ward first but Lou didnt think that far ahead and see the possible Stanton Jones matchup.

 

Basically, that is correct. The only options were Cedeno, Blanco, and Ward. Cedeno and Ward are actually worse against LH pitching then Jacque is, and Blanco burns your backup catcher and makes you put Ward out in RF for the next inning, all for the benefit of having a bad hitter pinch hit.

 

I'm not sure the Murton usage was the absolute incorrect usage though-maybe have Ward bat in the 8th and then have Cedeno pinch run for him.

The reaction in the game thread would have been priceless if Ward had come up to pinch hit leading off the 8th, especially after the reaction the other day when Ward pinch hit with Murton still sitting on the bench :D

[Soul]

Murton had his chance and flied out weakly to center. Based on this, he'll never amount to anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that was sarcasm. It's April 15th, Murt's going to get his play time this year. Lou can't ride Floyd, his legs won't hold up and he knows it. Floyd's obviously getting more playtime right now, but it's very likely not a permanent arragement.

 

In other news, the rest of our offense sucks too, which should be of considerably more concern if it continues into May.

Edited April 15, 2007 by Soul

[Mephistopheles]

i can assure you that JJ is not a better hitter than Ronny Cedeno against lefties.

[CubColtPacer]

i can assure you that JJ is not a better hitter than Ronny Cedeno against lefties.

 

For sure? Do you have his minor league splits somewhere that I don't know about? All I'm doing is basing it off of his limited major league numbers

 

Cedeno in 2005:

against RHP (41 AB's)-.341/.426/.415

against LHP (39 AB's)-.256/.275/.333

 

2006

against RHP (382 AB's)-.251/.279/.353

against LHP (152 AB's)-.230/.250/.303

 

2007 (just for fun-if 39 AB's mean little, 5 means nothing)

0 for 5 against LHP

 

Jacque Jones

Against LHP

2004-.245/.328/.329

2005-.201/.247/.370

2006-.234/.261/.416

2007-1/4

 

They are both terrible, but from available evidence, it seems that even against LHP Jacque is better than Cedeno against LHP. If Cedeno didn't have these splits in the minors, it might be different-I don't know if that's the case or not.

[Mephistopheles]

I don't have his splits. It's just that there's pretty much no righty in the history of the game whose had significant ABs and had his OPS vs lefties be so far below his RHP OPS. Right now it's pretty easy to chalk it up to sample size issues. If Ronny couldnt hit lefties there's no chance in hell hed make it through the minors. Only lefty hitters can be one-dimensional when it comes to facing pitchers.

 

That said ronnys been hitting so bad of late, hes probably worse right now, but his true ability isnt lower.

[CubColtPacer]

I don't have his splits. It's just that there's pretty much no righty in the history of the game whose had significant ABs and had his OPS vs lefties be so far below his RHP OPS. Right now it's pretty easy to chalk it up to sample size issues. If Ronny couldnt hit lefties there's no chance in hell hed make it through the minors. Only lefty hitters can be one-dimensional when it comes to facing pitchers.

 

That said ronnys been hitting so bad of late, hes probably worse right now, but his true ability isnt lower.

 

Even if he's even with the right/left split, which I doubt (he probably just has a minor split difference), but even if he has no split if he bats anything like the 2006 Cedeno did than he is basically the same as Jones against a LHP-pretty close OBP, Jones with a slightly better SLG.

[Mephistopheles]

I would like to think that Cedeno could crack a 300 obp against lefties. Maybe Im overrating him as a player. I still think he could do that and I give Jones no chance of doing that. It's no outs in the ninth. Give me the OBP over the power.

[RegulusBlue]

Murton had his chance and flied out weakly to center. Based on this, he'll never amount to anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that was sarcasm. It's April 15th, Murt's going to get his play time this year. Lou can't ride Floyd, his legs won't hold up and he knows it. Floyd's obviously getting more playtime right now, but it's very likely not a permanent arragement.

 

In other news, the rest of our offense sucks too, which should be of considerably more concern if it continues into May.

 

It should be noted Murton lined out after a good AB in which he worked the count. He still is up there with DLee and Aram in having good ABs, and he tagged the ball right at Freel. It happens sometimes, but still a good, solid AB.

 

Hopefully he'll average more than 0.9 PA/game next week. Somehow, I doubt it.

[RynoRules]

Murton had his chance and flied out weakly to center. Based on this, he'll never amount to anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that was sarcasm. It's April 15th, Murt's going to get his play time this year. Lou can't ride Floyd, his legs won't hold up and he knows it. Floyd's obviously getting more playtime right now, but it's very likely not a permanent arragement.

 

In other news, the rest of our offense sucks too, which should be of considerably more concern if it continues into May.

 

It should be noted Murton lined out after a good AB in which he worked the count. He still is up there with DLee and Aram in having good ABs, and he tagged the ball right at Freel. It happens sometimes, but still a good, solid AB.

 

Hopefully he'll average more than 0.9 PA/game next week. Somehow, I doubt it.

 

Based on Lou's postgame comments I think you are wrong. I know I have said this a dozen times this week, but Lou is not Dusty.

[Soul]

Murton had his chance and flied out weakly to center. Based on this, he'll never amount to anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that was sarcasm. It's April 15th, Murt's going to get his play time this year. Lou can't ride Floyd, his legs won't hold up and he knows it. Floyd's obviously getting more playtime right now, but it's very likely not a permanent arragement.

 

In other news, the rest of our offense sucks too, which should be of considerably more concern if it continues into May.

 

It should be noted Murton lined out after a good AB in which he worked the count. He still is up there with DLee and Aram in having good ABs, and he tagged the ball right at Freel. It happens sometimes, but still a good, solid AB.

 

Hopefully he'll average more than 0.9 PA/game next week. Somehow, I doubt it.

 

I like his approach. He *should* start getting more AB once ARam returns. If not then I have no problem predicting that Floyd will break down, thus forcing it to happen anyway. And if that happens, then it's bad management by Lou.

 

I don't believe Lou thinks Floyd's his every day guy for the season. Everyone can see Cliff grimacing when he hobbles around out there. Those legs aren't right, and everything I've read says they aren't likely to magically heal up perfect.

 

If I'm wrong, then yeah I'll be upset. But I can't go there on April 15th, with ARam out.