The Fish Want Pagan

[PrimeTime]

The Marlins are considering making an offer for Angel Pagan, perhaps using shortstop prospect Robert Andino as bait, FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal reports.

 

Such a deal wouldn't solve the problems of either team. Pagan wasn't quite as bad as expected for the Cubs last year, hitting .247/.306/.394 in 170 at-bats, but he doesn't have the range in center to make up for his bat and he'd be fortunate just to have a long career as a fifth outfielder. As for Andino, well, he's just 22, giving him plenty of time to improve. However, he'd be a downgrade from Tomas Perez in a utility role right now. He hit .255/.303/.363 in a great hitter's park at Triple-A Albuquerque last year.

Source: FOXSports.com

[Handlebar McSkullet]

I guess we'll take Dan Uggla

[ChiCubsFan]

I guess we'll take Dan Uggla

 

I dont know about that. They might need to throw in Anibal Sanchez or Hanley Ramirez.

 

Btw, that trade with Boston looks so very good right now.

[BDWeav71]

Can we trade them Pagan, and let them keep Andino....

[don_kessinger_was_good]

How about if we trade them Pagan for Ricky Nolasco?

:twisted:

[Tracer Bullet]

I guess we'll take Dan Uggla

 

I dont know about that. They might need to throw in Anibal Sanchez or Hanley Ramirez.

 

Btw, that trade with Boston looks so very good right now.

 

They can have Uggla. I'll take Pagan for Hanely straight up. I'd even throw in JJ.

[CubinNY]

T Pagan wasn't quite as bad as expected for the Cubs last year, hitting .247/.306/.394 in 170 at-bats

 

I don't know what you expected but that is about as bad a line as it gets.

[goonys evil twin]

T Pagan wasn't quite as bad as expected for the Cubs last year, hitting .247/.306/.394 in 170 at-bats

 

I don't know what you expected but that is about as bad a line as it gets.

 

Well, the SLG was a little higher than you might have expected, given his .371 minor league SLG. But he was even worse in the OBP than his pedestrian .340 from the minors.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

They can have him. I really don't care what we get back.

[goonys evil twin]

They can have him. I really don't care what we get back.

 

I'll take the open roster spot, thank you very much.

[BigbadB]

I'd like to have Nolasco, Mitre and Pinto in exchange for Pagan.

 

Crappy CF for 3 prospects. Where have I heard that song before?

[CubColtPacer]

T Pagan wasn't quite as bad as expected for the Cubs last year, hitting .247/.306/.394 in 170 at-bats

 

I don't know what you expected but that is about as bad a line as it gets.

 

Maybe he expected him to be more like these NL East players who got at least 100 AB's:

 

Pete Orr-.253/.277/.344

Todd Pratt-.207/.272/.341

Alfredo Amezaga-.260/.332/.332

Matt Treanor-.229/.328/.318

Reggie Abercrombie-.212/.271/.333

Lastings Milledge-.241/.310/.380

Chris Woodward-.211/.289/.311

Kazuo Matsui-.200/.235/.269

Sal Fasano-.243/.284/.386

Abraham Nunez-.211/.303/.277

Jose Guillen-.216/.276/.398

Robert Fick-.266/.324/.344

Marlon Byrd-.223/.317/.350

Damian Jackson-.198/.295/.371

Royce Clayton-.269/.315/.348

Brian Schneider-.256/.320/.329

Bernie Castro-.227/.286/.291

 

When your 25th man who just made the team because of a hot ST beats the line of 17 position players in one division with similar at-bats, that's probably a little above expectations. Also, it is not nearly the worst line someone can get-there are at least several on there that are much worse, and if the other 5 divisions were looked at I'd bet there were at least 30-40 more around the majors.

 

Now, that doesn't mean Pagan is good-the mere fact that he exceeded expecations with his .700 is enough to make him easily expendable. He wasn't a unique bench player with his line though-just about every major league bench has a couple of players that are around or below that line.

[CubColtPacer]

They can have him. I really don't care what we get back.

 

Exactly-it's not like the Cubs aren't likely to release him in about 14 days anyway.

[cubweiser03]

Dudes, have you forgotten so quickly...this is Beltran part 2 we are talking about here. :)

[YearofDaCubs]

Pagan has speed, so at the very least I can see him have some value as a base runner late in the game :)

[justlikethecubs]

Pagan>Neifi

[YearofDaCubs]

Pagan>Neifi

Monkey > Neifi

[CubinNY]

T Pagan wasn't quite as bad as expected for the Cubs last year, hitting .247/.306/.394 in 170 at-bats

 

I don't know what you expected but that is about as bad a line as it gets.

 

Maybe he expected him to be more like these NL East players who got at least 100 AB's:

 

Pete Orr-.253/.277/.344

Todd Pratt-.207/.272/.341

Alfredo Amezaga-.260/.332/.332

Matt Treanor-.229/.328/.318

Reggie Abercrombie-.212/.271/.333

Lastings Milledge-.241/.310/.380

Chris Woodward-.211/.289/.311

Kazuo Matsui-.200/.235/.269

Sal Fasano-.243/.284/.386

Abraham Nunez-.211/.303/.277

Jose Guillen-.216/.276/.398

Robert Fick-.266/.324/.344

Marlon Byrd-.223/.317/.350

Damian Jackson-.198/.295/.371

Royce Clayton-.269/.315/.348

Brian Schneider-.256/.320/.329

Bernie Castro-.227/.286/.291

 

When your 25th man who just made the team because of a hot ST beats the line of 17 position players in one division with similar at-bats, that's probably a little above expectations. Also, it is not nearly the worst line someone can get-there are at least several on there that are much worse, and if the other 5 divisions were looked at I'd bet there were at least 30-40 more around the majors.

 

Now, that doesn't mean Pagan is good-the mere fact that he exceeded expecations with his .700 is enough to make him easily expendable. He wasn't a unique bench player with his line though-just about every major league bench has a couple of players that are around or below that line.

 

Yea, he's the skinnest fat person weighing over 600 pounds.

 

He stinks, his line stinks and there's no getting around it. And to say he wasn't as bad as expected is to say that nothing was expected of him.

[CubColtPacer]

T Pagan wasn't quite as bad as expected for the Cubs last year, hitting .247/.306/.394 in 170 at-bats

 

I don't know what you expected but that is about as bad a line as it gets.

 

Maybe he expected him to be more like these NL East players who got at least 100 AB's:

 

Pete Orr-.253/.277/.344

Todd Pratt-.207/.272/.341

Alfredo Amezaga-.260/.332/.332

Matt Treanor-.229/.328/.318

Reggie Abercrombie-.212/.271/.333

Lastings Milledge-.241/.310/.380

Chris Woodward-.211/.289/.311

Kazuo Matsui-.200/.235/.269

Sal Fasano-.243/.284/.386

Abraham Nunez-.211/.303/.277

Jose Guillen-.216/.276/.398

Robert Fick-.266/.324/.344

Marlon Byrd-.223/.317/.350

Damian Jackson-.198/.295/.371

Royce Clayton-.269/.315/.348

Brian Schneider-.256/.320/.329

Bernie Castro-.227/.286/.291

 

When your 25th man who just made the team because of a hot ST beats the line of 17 position players in one division with similar at-bats, that's probably a little above expectations. Also, it is not nearly the worst line someone can get-there are at least several on there that are much worse, and if the other 5 divisions were looked at I'd bet there were at least 30-40 more around the majors.

 

Now, that doesn't mean Pagan is good-the mere fact that he exceeded expecations with his .700 is enough to make him easily expendable. He wasn't a unique bench player with his line though-just about every major league bench has a couple of players that are around or below that line.

 

Yea, he's the skinnest fat person weighing over 600 pounds.

 

He stinks, his line stinks and there's no getting around it. And to say he wasn't as bad as expected is to say that nothing was expected of him.

 

I'm just saying that when you're saying that it's just as bad of a line as it gets you are implying that he was one of the worst players in the league, when in actuality for a bench player he was probably close to the median. Now you could say that most bench players stink, and I would agree with you-that's why they are bench players. Pagan was not a bad bench option though last year.

[Rob]

This is Pagan's age 25 season and PECOTA thinks he'll hit .278/.342/.426 with plus defense. It sees a slight bump in growth over the next five seasons, but what we see is basically what we get.

 

This will be Andino's age 23 season and PECOTA thinks he'll hit .245/.294/.346. And he's not expected to get much better over the next five either.

 

When neither of two players performs well (and that's all this was... two years ago we would have been begging for Pagan to play over CPatt) I'd rather hold on to the player with an actual major league ceiling.

[biittner77]

When neither of two players performs well (and that's all this was... two years ago we would have been begging for Pagan to play over CPatt) I'd rather hold on to the player with an actual major league ceiling.

 

I would never prefer Pagan to Patterson. Not ever.

[Balsa]

This is Pagan's age 25 season and PECOTA thinks he'll hit .278/.342/.426 with plus defense. It sees a slight bump in growth over the next five seasons, but what we see is basically what we get.

Not to mention that he's got great speed on the basepaths.

 

I'd keep him, at least until we package him in a deal for Miguel Cabrera. :wink:

[soccer10k]

I think a Pagan for Miguel Cabrera deal would be fair.

[goonys evil twin]

I think a Pagan for Miguel Cabrera deal would be fair.

 

I'd give them Murton, Gallagher, Wade Miller and pretty much any other prospect they'd want.

 

Trade Jones for something, and then you have an OF of Cabrera, Pie and Soriano

[Butterscup1679666578]

Just get him out of here, I really don't care what we get back.