Big Z will leave

[CuseCubFan69]

It will be interesting to see how hard they abuse Carlos in 2007 given the risk of losing him to free agency, too.

 

Slap a saddle on that horsey and ride him hard.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

and no, the Cubs will not get Wood and Adenhart for Zambrano.

 

Because the Angels won't deal their top guys, or because you think Hendry will go after the toolsiest prospects in their system?

 

They're about as toolsy as you get in the Angels' system as a hitter and a pitcher.

[BigbadB]

yeah just let him go and take the extra draft picks... after all, when we stockpiled high picks in 2002 we ended up with the sweet haul of Bobby Brownlie, Luke Hagerty, Chadd Blasko, Matt Clanton, Brian Dopirak and Justin Jones. And damned if that wasn't hitting the jackpot!

 

and no, the Cubs will not get Wood and Adenhart for Zambrano.

 

I consider Z a better pitcher than Beckett, what did the Marlins get for him?

 

It's impossible to determine. Mike Lowell and Guillermo Mota were included in the Beckett deal and netted Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez, Harvey Garcia and Jesus Delgado.

 

Garcia and Delgado probably aren't enough for Lowell and Mota, though Florida is a bit of a different team when it comes to dumping contracts.

 

The same Florida Marlins traded Derrek Lee for Hee Seop Choi and Mike Nannini. Lowell and Mota were probably a similar dump. Beckett should have netted Ramirez and Sanchez by himself, but there is no way to really determine that from the trade.

Edited February 13, 2007 by BigbadB

[CuseCubFan69]

yeah just let him go and take the extra draft picks... after all, when we stockpiled high picks in 2002 we ended up with the sweet haul of Bobby Brownlie, Luke Hagerty, Chadd Blasko, Matt Clanton, Brian Dopirak and Justin Jones. And damned if that wasn't hitting the jackpot!

 

and no, the Cubs will not get Wood and Adenhart for Zambrano.

 

I consider Z a better pitcher than Beckett, what did the Marlins get for him?

 

It's impossible to determine. Mike Lowell and Guillermo Mota were included in the Beckett deal and netted Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez, Harvey Garcia and Jesus Delgado.

 

Is Ramirez a better SS prospect than Wood? I thought that guy had a nice little rookie season.

[Brian]

If Jim Hendry can't give Carlos what he wants after giving Ted Lilly and Jason Marquis all that money, I'm really going to have to reconsider my fandom.

[daske17]

It will be interesting to see how hard they abuse Carlos in 2007 given the risk of losing him to free agency, too.

 

Slap a saddle on that horsey and ride him hard.

 

Well, that painted an uncomfortable image in my head. . .

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

If Jim Hendry can't give Carlos what he wants after giving Ted Lilly and Jason Marquis all that money, I'm really going to have to reconsider my fandom.

 

So you choose being a fan based on who the GM gives money to?

[Lefty]

Pardon if this has all been said before, but the reason Z is being so bellicose is because the Cubs have one card left to play and that is their arbitration case. Unless you think Z will win in arbitration, a Zito contract plus the halfway between Z's figure and the Cubs', is 8/139 (17.375) or 8/137 (17.125) if the Cubs win. Z's insistence on $18 million is his way of getting the Cubs to give up the one card they have left. This is the advantage of having players before free agency eligibilty. The Cubs would be crazy to give it to him now. If he pitches well this year, we could give him 6/(111-115) (18.5-19.167) and be ahead.

[Brian]

If Jim Hendry can't give Carlos what he wants after giving Ted Lilly and Jason Marquis all that money, I'm really going to have to reconsider my fandom.

 

So you choose being a fan based on who the GM gives money to?

 

I'm just saying that losing the one player that has been consistent over the last 3 years and one of the best young players in the league over money when they've already spent so much on mediocre talent is unforgivable.

[BigbadB]

Is Ramirez a better SS prospect than Wood? I thought that guy had a nice little rookie season.

 

I'd say Wood is a better prospect than Ramirez. Wood has incredible power potential at a position that has so few guys with that kind of power potential.

 

If I made a deal with Anaheim, Wood would need to be one of the guys in the deal. Period. Maybe they couldn't get Adenhart as well, but I'd want at least one other prospect. Maybe Mathis or Saunders?

[Omar]

Please sign Z!! For god sakes.. You cant let him go.

[Brian]

and if he suffers an arm injury, we could just convert him to an outfielder.

[CuseCubFan69]

Is Ramirez a better SS prospect than Wood? I thought that guy had a nice little rookie season.

 

I'd say Wood is a better prospect than Ramirez. Wood has incredible power potential at a position that has so few guys with that kind of power potential.

 

If I made a deal with Anaheim, Wood would need to be one of the guys in the deal. Period. Maybe they couldn't get Adenhart as well, but I'd want at least one other prospect. Maybe Mathis or Saunders?

 

I wonder what Mr. Hendry thinks of this Wood fellow. Still, it's such a gamble to make a move like that unless you are deadnuts sure he's going to be good.

[Mark_R]

Is Ramirez a better SS prospect than Wood? I thought that guy had a nice little rookie season.

 

I'd say Wood is a better prospect than Ramirez. Wood has incredible power potential at a position that has so few guys with that kind of power potential.

 

If I made a deal with Anaheim, Wood would need to be one of the guys in the deal. Period. Maybe they couldn't get Adenhart as well, but I'd want at least one other prospect. Maybe Mathis or Saunders?

 

I wonder what Mr. Hendry thinks of this Wood fellow. Still, it's such a gamble to make a move like that unless you are deadnuts sure he's going to be good.

 

There's a reason the Angels would be considered great partners for a potential deal with Santana if the opportunity arose. Wood, Adenhart, Kendrick, and Weaver are all dynamite young players that could entice the Twins greatly if they made Santana available due to signability concerns.

[mhuber92211]

I think that the Angels would think VERY hard on a Wood, Mathis, Saunders Deal.

 

I would take that in half a second. And throw in Blanco.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Z is being a turd. How about a hometown discount?

 

If the only thing you're going to give the Cubs' org and fanbase is first crack at a Zito-like contract, then keep on walking. Someone will pay you. You're right about that. I just hope it's not the Chicago Cubs.

 

They won't love you like we do. Show us some freaking love. How many generations of your family will this contract take care of? 5 or 8, that's the only question.

 

SHOW ME THE MONAAAYYYY!!!

 

Where's Boras when you need him? :evil:

[Mark_R]

Z is being a turd. How about a hometown discount?

 

Hometown discounts shouldn't be expected. They should be considered as a pleasant surprise if they happen. Like Z has said, this is a business, and this is his best chance at free agency. Pitchers @ 25 may only get one big contract.

 

I understand he can live off it for the rest of his life, but for him is to get it while he can.

[Derwood]

maybe the fact that wrigleyvillesports was out of #38 jerseys was a blessing in disguise

[nilodnayr]

If Jim Hendry can't give Carlos what he wants after giving Ted Lilly and Jason Marquis all that money, I'm really going to have to reconsider my fandom.

 

Brian, lets become Brewer's fans!!! But you have to drive me up to Milwaukee. I'm never in any condition to drive back after games up there. Hell, with all the renovations, it will probably be quicker than taking the L to Wrigley.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Z is being a turd. How about a hometown discount?

 

Hometown discounts shouldn't be expected. They should be considered as a pleasant surprise if they happen. Like Z has said, this is a business, and this is his best chance at free agency. Pitchers @ 25 may only get one big contract.

 

I understand he can live off it for the rest of his life, but for him is to get it while he can.

 

It's not a business. Z's grandkids are set for life irregardless of the hometown discount. The Cubs organization gave Z the chance to play pro ball and developed him to be the pitcher he is today. It's pretty selfish to demand FA market value after all that.

 

If we're going to pay FA market value for a pitcher, let's get Santana. Z is pretty mediocre alongside that guy.

 

Oswalt gave the hometown discount. Carpenter gave the hometown discount. Carpenter didn't even have the history with the Cards org that Carlos does with the Cubs.

 

Thanks for the love, Carlos. :roll:

[A New Era]

I always thought Carlos "loved the Cubs". . Hasn't he been quoted saying many things about loving it here and playing for the cubs?

 

He just doesn't seem like the same guy lately with his comments recently.

[nilodnayr]

The one thing no one has mentioned in discussing the Angels as a possible trading partner is...do the Angels NEED Z? The answer of course is a resounding no. Yes, they have the prospects that we would want for him, and yes any team would like to have him. But a team with Lackey, Weaver, Escobar, Santana, and Colon/Saunders probably isnt going to want to trade away the only remnants of their farm system for a starting pitcher. Especially, considering Escobar and Lackey are signed through 09 (Lackey has an option that surely will be picked up if hes effective), and Santana, Weaver, and Saunders are pre-arbi.

[sethuel1]

If Jim Hendry can't give Carlos what he wants after giving Ted Lilly and Jason Marquis all that money, I'm really going to have to reconsider my fandom.

 

Brian, lets become Brewer's fans!!! But you have to drive me up to Milwaukee. I'm never in any condition to drive back after games up there. Hell, with all the renovations, it will probably be quicker than taking the L to Wrigley.

 

I heard the red line travel times will double on the Northside starting in April.

[KingCubsFan]

The one thing no one has mentioned in discussing the Angels as a possible trading partner is...do the Angels NEED Z? The answer of course is a resounding no. Yes, they have the prospects that we would want for him, and yes any team would like to have him. But a team with Lackey, Weaver, Escobar, Santana, and Colon/Saunders probably isnt going to want to trade away the only remnants of their farm system for a starting pitcher. Especially, considering Escobar and Lackey are signed through 09 (Lackey has an option that surely will be picked up if hes effective), and Santana, Weaver, and Saunders are pre-arbi.

He's an ace. If you're trying to get in the playoffs and win a championship, any responsible GM should try and get a pitcher of Zambrano's caliber if he is available and you have the resources to do so. Did the Cubs NEED maddux after 2003? No, but Hendry felt he would put us over the top.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The one thing no one has mentioned in discussing the Angels as a possible trading partner is...do the Angels NEED Z? The answer of course is a resounding no. Yes, they have the prospects that we would want for him, and yes any team would like to have him. But a team with Lackey, Weaver, Escobar, Santana, and Colon/Saunders probably isnt going to want to trade away the only remnants of their farm system for a starting pitcher. Especially, considering Escobar and Lackey are signed through 09 (Lackey has an option that surely will be picked up if hes effective), and Santana, Weaver, and Saunders are pre-arbi.

He's an ace. If you're trying to get in the playoffs and win a championship, any responsible GM should try and get a pitcher of Zambrano's caliber if he is available and you have the resources to do so. Did the Cubs NEED maddux after 2003? No, but Hendry felt he would put us over the top.

 

Maddux only cost money. Zambrano will cost money(probably twice as much as Maddux did) and several other players of significant value.