NSD tomorrow - how's your team doing?

[jaydee]

Weis is the lowest form of scum. He calls out a recruit by name for decommitting on national TV. Then he turns around and tries to get every recruit in sight to decommit.

 

"And I think one of the things we're going to make sure we do differently than we've done in the past is that when a guy wants to say yes to us, there's a clear understanding from everyone that they're not going to go visit anywhere else. They're not going to talk to anyone else. They're either committed to us, or you're not."

 

If Weis actually believes in what hes saying, hes a huge hypocrite as well as someone who won't be getting very many good recruits anymore. Have fun being blown out by USC for the next 10 year Charlie.

[jaydee]

I love what Zook and Illini have done this recruiting season, no longer will the ND's, U of M's and OSU's of the world come to Illinois and pick up its best players like they're shopping. They know it hence, all the accusations and hostility, now if only Bruce Weber would follow suit.

 

Alot of the so-called power elite of NCAA football are steaming over Illinois. What's their deal? A new program pulls an old, tradition-rich school out of the doldrums after many, many years of incompetence.

 

That's the very definition of U of M, ND, Miami, FSU ---- all these schools did the very same thing. At one point or another, nearly every school was terrible

 

Everyone criticizing Zook and the Illini are just bitter and nervous about Illinois becoming another program to compete with. Teams like Iowa and ND won't be getting nearly as many Chicago recruits from now on...great to see

[illiniguy]

I love what Zook and Illini have done this recruiting season, no longer will the ND's, U of M's and OSU's of the world come to Illinois and pick up its best players like they're shopping. They know it hence, all the accusations and hostility, now if only Bruce Weber would follow suit.

 

Alot of the so-called power elite of NCAA football are steaming over Illinois. What's their deal? A new program pulls an old, tradition-rich school out of the doldrums after many, many years of incompetence.

 

That's the very definition of U of M, ND, Miami, FSU ---- all these schools did the very same thing. At one point or another, nearly every school was terrible

 

Everyone criticizing Zook and the Illini are just bitter and nervous about Illinois becoming another program to compete with. Teams like Iowa and ND won't be getting nearly as many Chicago recruits from now on...great to see

Lets win 6 games in a year before we start declaring ourselves the next big thing. Yesterday was a great step in the right direction, but it was only a step.

[cubweiser03]

Players decomminting is something fans and mostly coaches need to come to grips with. It's becoming more common. Charlie can talk all tough about recruits commiting to his team, but it could end up backfiring.

 

John L Smith called out Zook in his recruiting saying something like 'where theres smoke there is fire'. Whatta jerk. John L is such a big mouth blowhard POS. Maybe Zook is just good at recruiting.

[Andy]

Weis is the lowest form of scum. He calls out a recruit by name for decommitting on national TV. Then he turns around and tries to get every recruit in sight to decommit.

 

"And I think one of the things we're going to make sure we do differently than we've done in the past is that when a guy wants to say yes to us, there's a clear understanding from everyone that they're not going to go visit anywhere else. They're not going to talk to anyone else. They're either committed to us, or you're not."

 

If Weis actually believes in what hes saying, hes a huge hypocrite as well as someone who won't be getting very many good recruits anymore. Have fun being blown out by USC for the next 10 year Charlie.

Read my prior posts. If you haven't, read them again. No one's saying decommitting is a terrible thing by itself. Weis is annoyed because these two kids never sacked up and told him they were considering anyone else, let alone that they would be going elsewhere. Greg Little was telling people he was coming to ND as recently as the night before NSD. And with Arrelious Benn, he's annoyed that he's trying to drag ND through the mud for recruiting him post-Illinois commitment. As if ND were the only ones.

 

As for USC, if they're blowing out ND for the next 10 years, that means they're blowing out everyone, because our classes the last two years are by far the most impressive of their regular opponents.

 

This is where I like Jimmy Clausen. Say what you want about the limo thing, but he never wavered once he'd decided to come to ND. Jimmy's father went as far to tell Weis he needn't continue recruiting Jimmy because they were on board, no questions asked. I have a feeling that kid is much more classy than anyone is willing to admit.

 

A NY Times article today tries to float the possibility that ND is behind the accusations toward Illinois re: recruiting practices. In the same article, there are two different Big 10 coaches that basically flat-out accuse Illinois. Typical mainstream media work there.

 

All this said, if you truly believe Weis is "the lowest form of scum", there's no convincing you otherwise, I'm sure, ditto anyone else who feels that way.

[Jon]

Weis is hilarious.

 

But I did find this funnier:

Nothing, though, can top the tale of Chris Little, a 6-foot-5-inch, 342-pound lineman from Georgia who's not related to Greg.

 

Little committed to Florida State on live TV during the Jan. 6 Army All-America Bowl. Then he switched to Notre Dame, explaining that he was confused about his mother's preference. On Wednesday he declared he would attend Georgia.

 

"All's fair in love and recruiting," CSTV analyst Tom Lemming said, "but I've never seen anything like this. Some kids are more of a pain than they're worth. The self-entitlement of some players now is completely out of control.

 

Lemming seems to like Northwestern's class a little more than Rivals or Scout. Recruiting certainly ended with a bit of a whimper, but it's pretty darn strong, especially in the secondary.

[stuy119]

Weis is hilarious.

 

But I did find this funnier:

Nothing, though, can top the tale of Chris Little, a 6-foot-5-inch, 342-pound lineman from Georgia who's not related to Greg.

 

Little committed to Florida State on live TV during the Jan. 6 Army All-America Bowl. Then he switched to Notre Dame, explaining that he was confused about his mother's preference. On Wednesday he declared he would attend Georgia.

 

"All's fair in love and recruiting," CSTV analyst Tom Lemming said, "but I've never seen anything like this. Some kids are more of a pain than they're worth. The self-entitlement of some players now is completely out of control.

 

Lemming seems to like Northwestern's class a little more than Rivals or Scout. Recruiting certainly ended with a bit of a whimper, but it's pretty darn strong, especially in the secondary.

 

Lemming is full of it. I repeat - Lemming is full of it, and I'll be more than happy to say it to his sorry little face. Someone said that Weis was the lowest form of scum on the earth, and they were mistaken - it's actually the two-bit hack Tom Lemming who is the slimiest, dirtiest, sleaziest douchebag on the planet. And I'm just mentioning the tip of the iceberg as to how I feel about this guy.

 

That said, the story of Chris Little is completely false, and yet another fabrication by Lemming to save face for his precious little ND homers. The only part I can fathom being correct is that Little commited to FSU, and then switched to ND. What's left out is that he committed to FSU, who then named a new OL coach. When Little didn't fit the system under Trickett, Trickett asked him to continue to look around, since he wasn't sure he fit the new system FSU would be implementing.

 

When another UGA recruit (Antwane Greenlee) recently (the night before signing day) changed his mind and decided to head to FSU, a spot was opened up at UGA and Little was able to fill the vacated spot. Little was headed to ND up to the point where a scholarship opened up at UGA at the last second.

 

ND was jilted, and Lemming could do nothing about it by trying to steer another recruit there to make up for the loss. And notice that Lemming makes no bones about the three recruits that Weis kept recruiting from other schools, in spite of the fact that Weis decided to call the Littles out on national TV.

 

Scum-sucking ND homers.

[Jon]

That's from Teddy Greenstein. Lemming only said what he was quoted as saying there and on the next page:

"Committing early now just means that one school is the leader. It's a bull's-eye and tells the other coaches which school they should bad-mouth."

[Andy]

ND was jilted, and Lemming could do nothing about it by trying to steer another recruit there to make up for the loss. And notice that Lemming makes no bones about the three recruits that Weis kept recruiting from other schools, in spite of the fact that Weis decided to call the Littles out on national TV.

 

Scum-sucking ND homers.

I'm beginning to wonder if any of you ND-haters on this board read.

 

The Louisville player we got decommitted after the coaching change.

 

The Iowa player we got wanted to come to ND all along, just never had an offer - Kirk Ferentz pretty much admitted as much. Once he was offered (because ND lost out on other players it wanted more at the time, and because Corwin Brown's new scheme as DC made Brian Smith a much better fit), he committed pretty much immediately.

 

I don't know the circumstances of the SC player we got, but considering Steve Spurrier's been pissing on Notre Dame ever since we kicked his ass in the 1992 Sugar Bowl, right down to lowballing us in every coaches' poll every year for no apparent reason, I'm not exactly crying for him.

 

I've explained the first two of those situations already, but I guess the "different situations" tag you just gave to Chris Little don't apply if it gives you guys a chance to trash Charlie or ND. (Also of note: Weis said the two decommits on NSD were completely different situations. My guess is, he's not that mad at Chris, since there were other factors in his decision. But Greg L. decommitted from us not until NSD - while leading everyone at ND to believe he was still coming as late as the night before - and with no explanation.)

[imb]

Jesus christ I'm sick of hearing about Notre Dame. Never has a team accomplished so little and been talked about so [expletive] much.

 

Charlie Weis is fat and stupid and I hope he chokes on a sub sandwich or something and Notre Dame has to hire a coach that doesn't open his stupid mouth all the time.

[Mark_R]

Jesus christ I'm sick of hearing about Notre Dame. Never has a team accomplished so little and been talked about so [expletive] much.

 

Charlie Weis is fat and stupid and I hope he chokes on a sub sandwich or something and Notre Dame has to hire a coach that doesn't open his stupid mouth all the time.

 

Post of the day!

[Andy]

Jesus christ I'm sick of hearing about Notre Dame. Never has a team accomplished so little and been talked about so [expletive] much.

 

Charlie Weis is fat and stupid and I hope he chokes on a sub sandwich or something and Notre Dame has to hire a coach that doesn't open his stupid mouth all the time.

The irony is delicious. Posts like this are what create all the discussion to begin with.

[Andy]

Also, why the severe lack of Urban Meyer hate? This guy was engaging in underhanded sleazy recruit-stealing on a level much higher than anyone else this year, and he stole recruits from many of this board's favorite teams.

[CubColtPacer]

Also, why the severe lack of Urban Meyer hate? This guy was engaging in underhanded sleazy recruit-stealing on a level much higher than anyone else this year, and he stole recruits from many of this board's favorite teams.

 

I think Weis is getting hit harder because he complained publicly, and he probably should be getting hit harder right now. Of course, the level of hatred being spewed right now is...puzzling, but Weis should be getting criticized the most right now.

[Andy]

Also, why the severe lack of Urban Meyer hate? This guy was engaging in underhanded sleazy recruit-stealing on a level much higher than anyone else this year, and he stole recruits from many of this board's favorite teams.

 

I think Weis is getting hit harder because he complained publicly, and he probably should be getting hit harder right now. Of course, the level of hatred being spewed right now is...puzzling, but Weis should be getting criticized the most right now.

Well, of course Urban didn't complain publicly, I don't recall any recruit doing to Florida what Florida did to other teams. Oh, well. I like having an outspoken coach, but this is the other side of the coin.

[DCNashville]

Also, why the severe lack of Urban Meyer hate? This guy was engaging in underhanded sleazy recruit-stealing on a level much higher than anyone else this year, and he stole recruits from many of this board's favorite teams.

 

I think Weis is getting hit harder because he complained publicly, and he probably should be getting hit harder right now. Of course, the level of hatred being spewed right now is...puzzling, but Weis should be getting criticized the most right now.

 

Weis is getting hit hardest because people love to hate Notre Dame. Its all part of being the greatest program in college football history.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Also, why the severe lack of Urban Meyer hate? This guy was engaging in underhanded sleazy recruit-stealing on a level much higher than anyone else this year, and he stole recruits from many of this board's favorite teams.

 

As was said right above, the attacks on Weis are in regards to his hypocricy. He denounces recruits for backing out on verbal commitments when he is out trying to get recruits to do just that.

 

I know it goes on. We all do. Almost every school continues to recruit the players they want even after verbal commitments. Everyone realizes that nothing is final until a name is signed on the LOI. What makes Weis a whiner and a hypocrite is he tries to act all wronged by these boys while at the same time, he's trying to get others just like them to back out of commitments.

 

He should do what he does, fine...but quit bitching like a teenage girl when the same crap bites him on that rather large posterior.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Also, why the severe lack of Urban Meyer hate? This guy was engaging in underhanded sleazy recruit-stealing on a level much higher than anyone else this year, and he stole recruits from many of this board's favorite teams.

 

I think Weis is getting hit harder because he complained publicly, and he probably should be getting hit harder right now. Of course, the level of hatred being spewed right now is...puzzling, but Weis should be getting criticized the most right now.

 

Weis is getting hit hardest because people love to hate Notre Dame. Its all part of being the greatest program in college football history.

 

:lol:

[stuy119]

ND was jilted, and Lemming could do nothing about it by trying to steer another recruit there to make up for the loss. And notice that Lemming makes no bones about the three recruits that Weis kept recruiting from other schools, in spite of the fact that Weis decided to call the Littles out on national TV.

 

Scum-sucking ND homers.

I'm beginning to wonder if any of you ND-haters on this board read.

 

The Louisville player we got decommitted after the coaching change.

 

The Iowa player we got wanted to come to ND all along, just never had an offer - Kirk Ferentz pretty much admitted as much. Once he was offered (because ND lost out on other players it wanted more at the time, and because Corwin Brown's new scheme as DC made Brian Smith a much better fit), he committed pretty much immediately.

 

I don't know the circumstances of the SC player we got, but considering Steve Spurrier's been pissing on Notre Dame ever since we kicked his ass in the 1992 Sugar Bowl, right down to lowballing us in every coaches' poll every year for no apparent reason, I'm not exactly crying for him.

 

I've explained the first two of those situations already, but I guess the "different situations" tag you just gave to Chris Little don't apply if it gives you guys a chance to trash Charlie or ND. (Also of note: Weis said the two decommits on NSD were completely different situations. My guess is, he's not that mad at Chris, since there were other factors in his decision. But Greg L. decommitted from us not until NSD - while leading everyone at ND to believe he was still coming as late as the night before - and with no explanation.)

 

Actually, I did read it - and the Louisville coaching change was the only one that I'll give you credit for, since that's applicable to changing schools.

 

I did also notice that you didn't try to defend Lemming. At least you can admit that he, too, is a ND homer and actively recruits kids to ND - while supposedly being unbiased.

[CubColtPacer]

ND was jilted, and Lemming could do nothing about it by trying to steer another recruit there to make up for the loss. And notice that Lemming makes no bones about the three recruits that Weis kept recruiting from other schools, in spite of the fact that Weis decided to call the Littles out on national TV.

 

Scum-sucking ND homers.

I'm beginning to wonder if any of you ND-haters on this board read.

 

The Louisville player we got decommitted after the coaching change.

 

The Iowa player we got wanted to come to ND all along, just never had an offer - Kirk Ferentz pretty much admitted as much. Once he was offered (because ND lost out on other players it wanted more at the time, and because Corwin Brown's new scheme as DC made Brian Smith a much better fit), he committed pretty much immediately.

 

I don't know the circumstances of the SC player we got, but considering Steve Spurrier's been pissing on Notre Dame ever since we kicked his ass in the 1992 Sugar Bowl, right down to lowballing us in every coaches' poll every year for no apparent reason, I'm not exactly crying for him.

 

I've explained the first two of those situations already, but I guess the "different situations" tag you just gave to Chris Little don't apply if it gives you guys a chance to trash Charlie or ND. (Also of note: Weis said the two decommits on NSD were completely different situations. My guess is, he's not that mad at Chris, since there were other factors in his decision. But Greg L. decommitted from us not until NSD - while leading everyone at ND to believe he was still coming as late as the night before - and with no explanation.)

 

Actually, I did read it - and the Louisville coaching change was the only one that I'll give you credit for, since that's applicable to changing schools.

 

I did also notice that you didn't try to defend Lemming. At least you can admit that he, too, is a ND homer and actively recruits kids to ND - while supposedly being unbiased.

 

Wait a minute-you give Little a pass because a spot at Georgia opened up at the last minute that he could fill, but you don't give the Iowa player a pass for coming to ND because a spot opened up at the last minute? What's the difference?

[stuy119]

Also, why the severe lack of Urban Meyer hate? This guy was engaging in underhanded sleazy recruit-stealing on a level much higher than anyone else this year, and he stole recruits from many of this board's favorite teams.

 

The reason he doesn't get hit as hard is that it's in the south, and most people who are on the board are from the midwest (or are fans of teams from up north). There are a few exceptions, but that's the great majority.

 

If you wish, I can craft up a pile of crap for #7 (the nickname for Oscar Meyer, since he's the 7th coach at UF since Bowden started).

 

Someone who will need to be watched for over the next few years is Nick Saban at Alabama. From everything I've heard, he's even dirtier than Meyer and Weis, and he was doing everything he could to pull players from the southeast this year.

[Andy]

Also, why the severe lack of Urban Meyer hate? This guy was engaging in underhanded sleazy recruit-stealing on a level much higher than anyone else this year, and he stole recruits from many of this board's favorite teams.

 

As was said right above, the attacks on Weis are in regards to his hypocricy. He denounces recruits for backing out on verbal commitments when he is out trying to get recruits to do just that.

 

I know it goes on. We all do. Almost every school continues to recruit the players they want even after verbal commitments. Everyone realizes that nothing is final until a name is signed on the LOI. What makes Weis a whiner and a hypocrite is he tries to act all wronged by these boys while at the same time, he's trying to get others just like them to back out of commitments.

 

He should do what he does, fine...but quit bitching like a teenage girl when the same crap bites him on that rather large posterior.

Ok, this'll be the last time I try to make this clear. He's not whining about guys breaking their commitments alone, he was whining - very justifiably - about the manner in which the Littles (particularly Greg) did it. The crap GL pulled on us was right on the level of Irsay moving the Colts to Indianapolis overnight - a total snow job.

[stuy119]

ND was jilted, and Lemming could do nothing about it by trying to steer another recruit there to make up for the loss. And notice that Lemming makes no bones about the three recruits that Weis kept recruiting from other schools, in spite of the fact that Weis decided to call the Littles out on national TV.

 

Scum-sucking ND homers.

I'm beginning to wonder if any of you ND-haters on this board read.

 

The Louisville player we got decommitted after the coaching change.

 

The Iowa player we got wanted to come to ND all along, just never had an offer - Kirk Ferentz pretty much admitted as much. Once he was offered (because ND lost out on other players it wanted more at the time, and because Corwin Brown's new scheme as DC made Brian Smith a much better fit), he committed pretty much immediately.

 

I don't know the circumstances of the SC player we got, but considering Steve Spurrier's been pissing on Notre Dame ever since we kicked his ass in the 1992 Sugar Bowl, right down to lowballing us in every coaches' poll every year for no apparent reason, I'm not exactly crying for him.

 

I've explained the first two of those situations already, but I guess the "different situations" tag you just gave to Chris Little don't apply if it gives you guys a chance to trash Charlie or ND. (Also of note: Weis said the two decommits on NSD were completely different situations. My guess is, he's not that mad at Chris, since there were other factors in his decision. But Greg L. decommitted from us not until NSD - while leading everyone at ND to believe he was still coming as late as the night before - and with no explanation.)

 

Actually, I did read it - and the Louisville coaching change was the only one that I'll give you credit for, since that's applicable to changing schools.

 

I did also notice that you didn't try to defend Lemming. At least you can admit that he, too, is a ND homer and actively recruits kids to ND - while supposedly being unbiased.

 

Wait a minute-you give Little a pass because a spot at Georgia opened up at the last minute that he could fill, but you don't give the Iowa player a pass for coming to ND because a spot opened up at the last minute? What's the difference?

 

I never gave Little a pass. I said that it was Bush League for Weis to call him out on it when he esentially did the same thing.

[CubColtPacer]

ND was jilted, and Lemming could do nothing about it by trying to steer another recruit there to make up for the loss. And notice that Lemming makes no bones about the three recruits that Weis kept recruiting from other schools, in spite of the fact that Weis decided to call the Littles out on national TV.

 

Scum-sucking ND homers.

I'm beginning to wonder if any of you ND-haters on this board read.

 

The Louisville player we got decommitted after the coaching change.

 

The Iowa player we got wanted to come to ND all along, just never had an offer - Kirk Ferentz pretty much admitted as much. Once he was offered (because ND lost out on other players it wanted more at the time, and because Corwin Brown's new scheme as DC made Brian Smith a much better fit), he committed pretty much immediately.

 

I don't know the circumstances of the SC player we got, but considering Steve Spurrier's been pissing on Notre Dame ever since we kicked his ass in the 1992 Sugar Bowl, right down to lowballing us in every coaches' poll every year for no apparent reason, I'm not exactly crying for him.

 

I've explained the first two of those situations already, but I guess the "different situations" tag you just gave to Chris Little don't apply if it gives you guys a chance to trash Charlie or ND. (Also of note: Weis said the two decommits on NSD were completely different situations. My guess is, he's not that mad at Chris, since there were other factors in his decision. But Greg L. decommitted from us not until NSD - while leading everyone at ND to believe he was still coming as late as the night before - and with no explanation.)

 

Actually, I did read it - and the Louisville coaching change was the only one that I'll give you credit for, since that's applicable to changing schools.

 

I did also notice that you didn't try to defend Lemming. At least you can admit that he, too, is a ND homer and actively recruits kids to ND - while supposedly being unbiased.

 

Wait a minute-you give Little a pass because a spot at Georgia opened up at the last minute that he could fill, but you don't give the Iowa player a pass for coming to ND because a spot opened up at the last minute? What's the difference?

 

I never gave Little a pass. I said that it was Bush League for Weis to call him out on it when he esentially did the same thing.

 

Ok-that makes more sense, I was just a little confused. Sorry about that.

[stuy119]

Also, why the severe lack of Urban Meyer hate? This guy was engaging in underhanded sleazy recruit-stealing on a level much higher than anyone else this year, and he stole recruits from many of this board's favorite teams.

 

As was said right above, the attacks on Weis are in regards to his hypocricy. He denounces recruits for backing out on verbal commitments when he is out trying to get recruits to do just that.

 

I know it goes on. We all do. Almost every school continues to recruit the players they want even after verbal commitments. Everyone realizes that nothing is final until a name is signed on the LOI. What makes Weis a whiner and a hypocrite is he tries to act all wronged by these boys while at the same time, he's trying to get others just like them to back out of commitments.

 

He should do what he does, fine...but quit bitching like a teenage girl when the same crap bites him on that rather large posterior.

Ok, this'll be the last time I try to make this clear. He's not whining about guys breaking their commitments alone, he was whining - very justifiably - about the manner in which the Littles (particularly Greg) did it. The crap GL pulled on us was right on the level of Irsay moving the Colts to Indianapolis overnight - a total snow job.

 

Which is why there should be no such thing as a public "commitment" for these kids. It's not just high school football players that have a problem with the word "commitment" - it's kids and even young adults that have a problem with it.

 

FSU lost out on three players who would have made a HUGE difference in the haul they took home, and possibly put us in the top 10 (for the 5th straight year), each of whom verbally committed at some point.

 

The three players? Marvin Austin, Michael McNeil, and Deonte Thompson. Two 4* and one 5* players, and all three of them would have had a shot to come in and get *some* playing time right away.

 

The difference is that I won't bellyache about it, since I know it's going to happen to us. We don't have a grand list of commitments, and then have to pull scholarships like #7 down in Gainesville, just when someone "better" wants to commit.