Helton to the Red Sox?

[daske17]

Looks like the Rockies may be headed out east.

 

Offense hasn't been the Red Sox problem in recent years, but I can't imagine any pitcher looking forward to facing Helton/Manny/Big Papi/Drew.

[CubinNY]

Looks like the Rockies may be headed out east.

 

Offense hasn't been the Red Sox problem in recent years, but I can't imagine any pitcher looking forward to facing Helton/Manny/Big Papi/Drew.

 

I wonder how much of Helton's salary Boston will be taking?

[CP_414]

Red Sox become the favorites to win it all if they make this move, if they aren't favorites already.

[rocket]

is there any difference between the yankees and the red sox anymore?

 

jeeze, it'd take like 40 pitches just to get through ortiz/manny/drew/helton or however you order it.

[BigbadB]

Eeeeeeeeeek!

 

No problem scoring 1000 runs in Boston if they get Helton.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

wow! That would be one potent line-up.

 

My guess is the Rockies would want one of the Red Sox young pitchers.

[Backtobanks]

When I saw the story, I tried to figure out how the Cubs could get involved in a 3-way trade and perhaps get Crisp or Pena.

[Coach C]

Hmm.. I thought maybe that Helton's contract would be too difficult to move, in reference of last year's Shealy trade to Kansas City.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

I can see the Rockies getting two good youngsters and a project if they eat most of Heltons salary. Money is the thing with the RSox right now. The article said they didnt want to pay a big cap penalty.

 

I could see Drew in the 2 hole followed by Manny, then Ortiz, with Helton behind him. That would be a nightmare in the sixth thinking I have one LOOGY. Do I use him here or keep him for the ninth? And all that depending on who you want to pick for your poison.

 

Adding Helton could give you this lineup.

 

#1 Lugo ®SS

#2 Drew (L)RF

#3 Ramirez ®LF

#4 Ortiz (L) DH

#5 Helton (L) 1B

#6 Lowell ® 3B

#7 Varitek (S) C

#8 Cora ???(L) 2B

#9 Crisp (S) CF

 

Not quite the 27 Yanks but not bad at all. Helton and Lowell can flip but that is if you want to break up the two lefties 4 & 5. This would also mean Youkilis moves to the bench and spells Lowell and Helton. Just a thought, could Youkilis play a decent second? Understand this is coming from a middle infielder, but if he could...

[Schwarber Fan]

Helton would hit about 50 hrs with that wall in RF

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

There's lots of speculation that the Sox will try to get the Rockies to take back Lowell so that they can keep Youklis in the line-up by moving him back to third.

 

But there's also speculation that the Rockies might want Youklis.

[nilodnayr]

I can see the Rockies getting two good youngsters and a project if they eat most of Heltons salary. Money is the thing with the RSox right now. The article said they didnt want to pay a big cap penalty.

 

I could see Drew in the 2 hole followed by Manny, then Ortiz, with Helton behind him. That would be a nightmare in the sixth thinking I have one LOOGY. Do I use him here or keep him for the ninth? And all that depending on who you want to pick for your poison.

 

Adding Helton could give you this lineup.

 

#1 Lugo ®SS

#2 Drew (L)RF

#3 Ramirez ®LF

#4 Ortiz (L) DH

#5 Helton (L) 1B

#6 Lowell ® 3B

#7 Varitek (S) C

#8 Cora ???(L) 2B

#9 Crisp (S) CF

 

Not quite the 27 Yanks but not bad at all. Helton and Lowell can flip but that is if you want to break up the two lefties 4 & 5. This would also mean Youkilis moves to the bench and spells Lowell and Helton. Just a thought, could Youkilis play a decent second? Understand this is coming from a middle infielder, but if he could...

 

Ortiz always hits 3, Manny 4. If they retain Youk and get rid of lowell, I think they should go with the following lineup

 

Youk

Helton

Ortiz

Manny

Drew

Tek

Crisp

Lugo

2b

[shnsajax]

I can see the Rockies getting two good youngsters and a project if they eat most of Heltons salary. Money is the thing with the RSox right now. The article said they didnt want to pay a big cap penalty.

 

I could see Drew in the 2 hole followed by Manny, then Ortiz, with Helton behind him. That would be a nightmare in the sixth thinking I have one LOOGY. Do I use him here or keep him for the ninth? And all that depending on who you want to pick for your poison.

 

Adding Helton could give you this lineup.

 

#1 Lugo ®SS

#2 Drew (L)RF

#3 Ramirez ®LF

#4 Ortiz (L) DH

#5 Helton (L) 1B

#6 Lowell ® 3B

#7 Varitek (S) C

#8 Cora ???(L) 2B

#9 Crisp (S) CF

 

Not quite the 27 Yanks but not bad at all. Helton and Lowell can flip but that is if you want to break up the two lefties 4 & 5. This would also mean Youkilis moves to the bench and spells Lowell and Helton. Just a thought, could Youkilis play a decent second? Understand this is coming from a middle infielder, but if he could...

 

Ortiz always hits 3, Manny 4. If they retain Youk and get rid of lowell, I think they should go with the following lineup

 

Youk

Helton

Ortiz

Manny

Drew

Tek

Crisp

Lugo

2b

 

That was my initial line thought. I can't decide if I would want Helton 2nd or 5th. I'm not sure it really matters, and I don't think their is a wrong answer.

 

If the move happened they need to have a live camara shot of Steinbrenner when they announce it :-)

[nilodnayr]

 

That was my initial line thought. I can't decide if I would want Helton 2nd or 5th. I'm not sure it really matters, and I don't think their is a wrong answer.

 

If the move happened they need to have a live camara shot of Steinbrenner when they announce it :-)

 

Yeah, I think its really a coin toss between Helton and Drew. I just thought I'd rather give Helton a few more ABs to keep Drew healthy.

[BigbadB]

The 2b in that Boston line up will be Dustin Pedroia. He'll probably bat 9th in the Boston line up, which just gives them another on base machine ahead of the big boppers. He's been averaging close to .400 OBP throughout the minors.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

I like Drew in the two hole because it allows him to shoot the ball through the hole where the second baseman has moved from to cover the bag for the steal/ double play. Drew runs a bit better than Helton so have him on ahead of Ortiz and Manny where he can go first to third. Not so important when Manny and Papi launch one. Still nice to able to do it though.

[Soul]

Steinbrenner might just have to take steps to stop this, just like he did with ARod.

[CuseCubFan69]

Steinbrenner might just have to take steps to stop this, just like he did with ARod.

 

Like trade ARod to the Cubs!

 

I'm curious who the Sox are going to give up for him and how much they are willing to pick up salary wise.

[Banedon]

I can see the Rockies getting two good youngsters and a project if they eat most of Heltons salary. Money is the thing with the RSox right now. The article said they didnt want to pay a big cap penalty.

 

I could see Drew in the 2 hole followed by Manny, then Ortiz, with Helton behind him. That would be a nightmare in the sixth thinking I have one LOOGY. Do I use him here or keep him for the ninth? And all that depending on who you want to pick for your poison.

 

Adding Helton could give you this lineup.

 

#1 Lugo ®SS

#2 Drew (L)RF

#3 Ramirez ®LF

#4 Ortiz (L) DH

#5 Helton (L) 1B

#6 Lowell ® 3B

#7 Varitek (S) C

#8 Cora ???(L) 2B

#9 Crisp (S) CF

 

Not quite the 27 Yanks but not bad at all. Helton and Lowell can flip but that is if you want to break up the two lefties 4 & 5. This would also mean Youkilis moves to the bench and spells Lowell and Helton. Just a thought, could Youkilis play a decent second? Understand this is coming from a middle infielder, but if he could...

 

The speculation I've heard has Lowell as part of a deal for Helton.

[Soul]

Steinbrenner might just have to take steps to stop this, just like he did with ARod.

 

Like trade ARod to the Cubs!

 

I'm curious who the Sox are going to give up for him and how much they are willing to pick up salary wise.

 

Me too. They're building a powerhouse over there. I'm not familiar with where the Rockies are as a franchise----stocking up on prospects or attempting to acquire major leage quality talent.

 

Also, just to throw it out there: Helton is 33 and his numbers have been on a downtrend the past few seasons (though still obviously good).

[Backtobanks]

Steinbrenner might just have to take steps to stop this, just like he did with ARod.

 

Like trade ARod to the Cubs!

 

I'm curious who the Sox are going to give up for him and how much they are willing to pick up salary wise.

 

Ken Rosenthal of Foxsports.com thinks this will be ARod's last year in NY. He thinks he will opt for free agency (part of his contract) whether he has a good year or a bad one just to get out of NY.

[Mephistopheles]

i was under the assumption that he could only opt out if he was not the highest paid player.

[Laura]

Cots says he has a regular opt-out clause in '07 and the highest-paid player opt-out in '08 and '09.

 

 

Cot's Baseball Contracts[/url]"]

--Rodriguez may void after 2007

--Rodriguez may void after 2008 or 2009 unless club increases 2009-10 salary by $5M/year or $1M more than highest-paid MLB position player

[Laura]

Like trade ARod to the Cubs!

 

I'm curious who the Sox are going to give up for him and how much they are willing to pick up salary wise.

 

 

The Denver Post[/url]"]As first reported by The Denver Post on Saturday, the Rockies have discussed sending Helton to Boston, targeting young relievers Craig Hansen and Manny Delcarmen. The Red Sox have offered third baseman Mike Lowell and reliever Julian Tavarez, but are reluctant, thus far, to give up either young pitcher.

 

While an initial framework has been established on the $90.1 million remaining on Helton's contract - the Rockies would be responsible for a little more than $40 million as it stands - Helton's understandable desire for a speedy conclusion is also an important factor.

 

Helton, 33, has indicated to the Rockies that he would waive his no-trade clause for the Red Sox, but he is prepared to veto any deal if it is not consummated soon, not wanting to deal with an endless stream of distractions during this season and beyond.

 

Negotiations are expected to resume Monday or Tuesday when Rockies general manager Dan O'Dowd returns after tending to a family matter out of town. The Red Sox's posture Saturday was to slightly downplay the talks, stressing a lack of urgency because they like their current lineup.

 

However, a major-league source who has spoken directly with the Red Sox said Saturday night there is still a good chance the deal gets done if Boston can get Helton for less than $10 million annually over the next six seasons.

 

FoxSports.com also identified Double-A center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury, a first-round selection of the Red Sox, the No. 23 pick overall in the 2005 draft, as a potential piece in a deal.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Red Sox are pissed that the Rockies are asking for an actual player in return for a stud 1st baseman that they're giving to them cheaply, all while taking back overpriced contracts in return.