BCS Bowl Thread

[sweetpeteman]

ND was 17th.

 

Still Overrated.

 

:P

[CubColtPacer]

Schedule rankings:

 

ND - 19

WVU - 42

 

It's worth noting that if the reverse was true this board and most of college FB fans would be howling even more than they currently are.

 

Yes, getting throttled by good teams does not prove much.

Needing to come back from down 3 scores against a bad team doesn't prove much either.*

 

* - You can't have it both ways. Either GT sucks (ND beat them on the road while everyone else not named USC was playing I-AA caliber teams) or they're good (they almost beat WV). Pick one.

 

Both teams narrowly beat GT. Notre Dame got whacked by the ranked teams it played. West Virginia split Louisville and Rutgers. Their ability to actually beat a ranked team makes them more qualified IMO.

 

As Ndi as already pointed out, ND did demolish Penn State this year, who is back to being a ranked team.

 

Also, you can't really count WV's win over GT as proof that they were more deserving a month ago to go to a BCS bowl. Let's say it was reversed. WV goes to play LSU, and ND goes to play GT (or a team about like them?). What likely happens? WV loses to LSU, and ND wins their bowl game, and then one could make the argument that ND was more deserving of going to the game. That's why you have to throw out the bowl games entirely when looking at who was more deserving. Neither WV or ND was on LSU's level (especially not if Russell is on his game for the entire game, which is rare but happened last week), but one of them had to be chosen to go play them. At the time, ND was higher in both the polls and the computers, so they were seen as the better choice-my guess is, the exact same thing happens to WV anyway that happened to ND.

[CuseCubFan69]

Schedule rankings:

 

ND - 19

WVU - 42

 

It's worth noting that if the reverse was true this board and most of college FB fans would be howling even more than they currently are.

 

Yes, getting throttled by good teams does not prove much.

Needing to come back from down 3 scores against a bad team doesn't prove much either.*

 

* - You can't have it both ways. Either GT sucks (ND beat them on the road while everyone else not named USC was playing I-AA caliber teams) or they're good (they almost beat WV). Pick one.

 

Both teams narrowly beat GT. Notre Dame got whacked by the ranked teams it played. West Virginia split Louisville and Rutgers. Their ability to actually beat a ranked team makes them more qualified IMO.

 

As Ndi as already pointed out, ND did demolish Penn State this year, who is back to being a ranked team.

 

Also, you can't really count WV's win over GT as proof that they were more deserving a month ago to go to a BCS bowl. Let's say it was reversed. WV goes to play LSU, and ND goes to play GT (or a team about like them?). What likely happens? WV loses to LSU, and ND wins their bowl game, and then one could make the argument that ND was more deserving of going to the game. That's why you have to throw out the bowl games entirely when looking at who was more deserving. Neither WV or ND was on LSU's level (especially not if Russell is on his game for the entire game, which is rare but happened last week), but one of them had to be chosen to go play them. At the time, ND was higher in both the polls and the computers, so they were seen as the better choice-my guess is, the exact same thing happens to WV anyway that happened to ND.

 

Again, these are your guesses. Let the teams play and determine it on the field and leave the mythical stuff out of it. It takes the what if out of it. People said the same thing last year before WV beat Georgia in the Sugar bowl, again they actually played and we didn't have to assume who would have won. LSU is a talented team but so is OSU. Look what happens in a one game situation as things change as the game progresses. It just amazes me that people still claim flat out one team is better than an other and yet were saying OSU was going to be a double digit winner over Florida. How did that game work out for them?

[Mark_R]

I really hope Ginn comes back for his senior season.

 

I hope there's enough drive and bad taste in his mouth to bring back the junior crew, the young D, and just replace Troy @ QB to make another run at the title. Robo, Ginn, Gonzo, Pittman, and Wells would make the transition MUCH easier for whoever wins that QB job next spring.

[CuseCubFan69]

I really hope Ginn comes back for his senior season.

 

I hope there's enough drive and bad taste in his mouth to bring back the junior crew, the young D, and just replace Troy @ QB to make another run at the title. Robo, Ginn, Gonzo, Pittman, and Wells would make the transition MUCH easier for whoever wins that QB job next spring.

 

Did that big recruit QB from a couple of years ago stay on the team?

[rocket]

Hey, Troy Smith, welcome to Day 2 of the NFL draft...

 

with that logic, brady quinn should definitely be a day 2 draft pick too. it's not like troy smith always sucks in big games. in fact, this is the first time he's laid a giant turd during a big game, he usually plays amazing.

 

no one could have done well with the kind of protection he got today.

[Chocolate Milk]

Hey, Troy Smith, welcome to Day 2 of the NFL draft...

 

with that logic, brady quinn should definitely be a day 2 draft pick too. it's not like troy smith always sucks in big games. in fact, this is the first time he's laid a giant turd during a big game, he usually plays amazing.

 

no one could have done well with the kind of protection he got today.

 

I think losing Ginn, really, really hurt.

[Soriano12]

Hey, Troy Smith, welcome to Day 2 of the NFL draft...

 

with that logic, brady quinn should definitely be a day 2 draft pick too. it's not like troy smith always sucks in big games. in fact, this is the first time he's laid a giant turd during a big game, he usually plays amazing.

 

no one could have done well with the kind of protection he got today.

 

Troy Smith was a border line first round pick to begin with.

 

I'm guessing mid 2nd to early 3rd for him.

[Banedon]

I don't understand how Boise State is ranked behind USC. USC lost to Oregon State, and Boise State killed Oregon State, and obviously were unbeaten. And behind Wisconsin in the USA today poll?

[CubColtPacer]

Schedule rankings:

 

ND - 19

WVU - 42

 

It's worth noting that if the reverse was true this board and most of college FB fans would be howling even more than they currently are.

 

Yes, getting throttled by good teams does not prove much.

Needing to come back from down 3 scores against a bad team doesn't prove much either.*

 

* - You can't have it both ways. Either GT sucks (ND beat them on the road while everyone else not named USC was playing I-AA caliber teams) or they're good (they almost beat WV). Pick one.

 

Both teams narrowly beat GT. Notre Dame got whacked by the ranked teams it played. West Virginia split Louisville and Rutgers. Their ability to actually beat a ranked team makes them more qualified IMO.

 

As Ndi as already pointed out, ND did demolish Penn State this year, who is back to being a ranked team.

 

Also, you can't really count WV's win over GT as proof that they were more deserving a month ago to go to a BCS bowl. Let's say it was reversed. WV goes to play LSU, and ND goes to play GT (or a team about like them?). What likely happens? WV loses to LSU, and ND wins their bowl game, and then one could make the argument that ND was more deserving of going to the game. That's why you have to throw out the bowl games entirely when looking at who was more deserving. Neither WV or ND was on LSU's level (especially not if Russell is on his game for the entire game, which is rare but happened last week), but one of them had to be chosen to go play them. At the time, ND was higher in both the polls and the computers, so they were seen as the better choice-my guess is, the exact same thing happens to WV anyway that happened to ND.

 

Again, these are your guesses. Let the teams play and determine it on the field and leave the mythical stuff out of it. It takes the what if out of it. People said the same thing last year before WV beat Georgia in the Sugar bowl, again they actually played and we didn't have to assume who would have won. LSU is a talented team but so is OSU. Look what happens in a one game situation as things change as the game progresses. It just amazes me that people still claim flat out one team is better than an other and yet were saying OSU was going to be a double digit winner over Florida. How did that game work out for them?

 

Believe me, I wouldn't have much of a problem if WV got their shot either. I think they are a good ballclub, and if ND had played WV in a bowl, that would be a very entertaining matchup (and one I have no idea who would win). With the two teams being so close, it's hard to say though that when one team got selected that they weren't deserving-they both were about equally deserving, and one of them had to get selected.

[Chocolate Milk]

Why do people root for their conference? Someone explain this to me.

[CuseCubFan69]

Why do people root for their conference? Someone explain this to me.

 

I do because it helps my college in the big picture. I look at it as a family, you fight with your brother and punch the heck out of each other but, if someone else comes after your brother you are there to defend him.

[wekse]

Why do people root for their conference? Someone explain this to me.

 

i've been wondering this for a long time...it's a very big thing here in SEC land to cheer on all the SEC teams.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think a lot of it has to do with conference reputation. If Florida wins the National Championship and LSU's losses were to Florida and the only team to beat Florida, it makes LSU look much better.

[Andy]

Hey, Troy Smith, welcome to Day 2 of the NFL draft...

 

with that logic, brady quinn should definitely be a day 2 draft pick too. it's not like troy smith always sucks in big games. in fact, this is the first time he's laid a giant turd during a big game, he usually plays amazing.

 

no one could have done well with the kind of protection he got today.

The same could be said of Brady Quinn against Michigan and USC (he actually got decent protection against LSU, that game's more on him).

[Andy]

I think a lot of it has to do with conference reputation. If Florida wins the National Championship and LSU's losses were to Florida and the only team to beat Florida, it makes LSU look much better.

Aren't most of these SEC teams competing for recruits though? It's like rooting for teams on ND's schedule for me - yeah, I want ND's schedule to look better, but if Michigan or USC, who are constantly competing with the Irish for recruits keep winning, ND's chances of getting those players also fall to an extent. It's a double-edged sword IMO.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think a lot of it has to do with conference reputation. If Florida wins the National Championship and LSU's losses were to Florida and the only team to beat Florida, it makes LSU look much better.

Aren't most of these SEC teams competing for recruits though? It's like rooting for teams on ND's schedule for me - yeah, I want ND's schedule to look better, but if Michigan or USC, who are constantly competing with the Irish for recruits keep winning, ND's chances of getting those players also fall to an extent. It's a double-edged sword IMO.

 

There's some competition for sure, but someone in Louisiana who is drawing attention from LSU and Florida is likely drawing attention from Ohio State as well.

 

I'm sure Florida winning might affect a handful of recruiting battles, but LSU usually does very well in getting the top talent in Louisiana...at least for the last six or seven years. It'd be more likely to affect a recruit from Florida that LSU is trying to woo to Louisiana than it would an Louisiana native.

[BigSlick]

Why do people root for their conference? Someone explain this to me.

 

Because of the [expletive] poll system, the strength of your conference becomes immensely important in getting a team to better bowl games.

 

Look at Boise State, you don't think they want their conference to look strong? They were freaking undefeated and they got shut out of the national title game. Actually a better example would be Auburn in 2004.

 

Either way, people stil have conference pride. I mean, thats like asking people WHY DO YOU ROOT FOR AMERICA IN WARS? Hard to explain why, you just do.

[Chocolate Milk]

Either way, people stil have conference pride. I mean, thats like asking people WHY DO YOU ROOT FOR AMERICA IN WARS? Hard to explain why, you just do.

 

What?

 

I understand that people want their conference to look better so that their team looks better but I just don't understand why some people are so rabid about it.

[BigSlick]

Either way, people stil have conference pride. I mean, thats like asking people WHY DO YOU ROOT FOR AMERICA IN WARS? Hard to explain why, you just do.

 

What?

 

I understand that people want their conference to look better so that their team looks better but I just don't understand why some people are so rabid about it.

 

YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN IT DONT ASK ME HOW

 

AL;DJF;ALSKJDFL;KASDJFL;KSAJDF;LAKSDJF

 

ediT: WOOOO AMERIKA

[Jon]

You don't really find that in the Big Ten.

 

And I'm glad.

[B]

Why do people root for their conference? Someone explain this to me.

 

Fans of teams that aren't in the big 10 get tired of hearing about how OSU/Michigan should rematch for the championship. Everyone said Florida had no chance. Pretty much the big 10 has 2 good teams (sometimes 3). They play about 2 hard games a year and the media acts like they are on a different level than other teams. In the SEC you play a tough game nearly every week. So the fans of an SEC team enjoy it when one of the SEC teams hands a big 10 team their butt. That's the best explanation I can give.

[Derwood]

Hey, Troy Smith, welcome to Day 2 of the NFL draft...

 

with that logic, brady quinn should definitely be a day 2 draft pick too. it's not like troy smith always sucks in big games. in fact, this is the first time he's laid a giant turd during a big game, he usually plays amazing.

 

no one could have done well with the kind of protection he got today.

 

Troy Smith was a border line first round pick to begin with.

 

I'm guessing mid 2nd to early 3rd for him.

 

That was my point. I think he already had some question marks concerning his ability to translate his game to the NFL, and that performance did nothing to help that. I would pick at least 3 or 4 QB's ahead of Smith this year.

[CubColtPacer]

Why do people root for their conference? Someone explain this to me.

 

Fans of teams that aren't in the big 10 get tired of hearing about how OSU/Michigan should rematch for the championship. Everyone said Florida had no chance. Pretty much the big 10 has 2 good teams (sometimes 3). They play about 2 hard games a year and the media acts like they are on a different level than other teams. In the SEC you play a tough game nearly every week. So the fans of an SEC team enjoy it when one of the SEC teams hands a big 10 team their butt. That's the best explanation I can give.

 

I might agree with that point this year but not usually. Usually, the Big 10 is as deep as the SEC-this year, that wasn't the case at all. Still though, the Big 10 did go 2-1 against the SEC, which doesn't prove the Big 10 was better (their 0-4 record in other bowls kind of shows that they weren't) but that the difference wasn't as big as most people would think it is.

 

A friend (who is a big SEC fan and a proud supporter of the SEC's superiority) and I did a comparison of the SEC and Big 10 before this season started. Take the Big 10 schools and the SEC schools and rank them from top to bottom based on their performances over the last 10 years, and throw out the SEC school that's either 6th or 7th (throw out one of the middle ones to equalize the difference of 1 school between the 2 conferences). Then, compare the accomplishments over those 10 years between each of the matchups. I think you'll find that the two conferences have been virtually identical over that time period.

[Banedon]

“Bob Stoops, after living a full life, died. When he got to heaven, God was showing him around. They came to a modest little house with a faded Sooner flag in the window.

 

“‘This house is yours for eternity, Bob," said God. "This is very special; not everyone gets a house up here." “Bob felt special, indeed, and walked up to his house.

 

“On his way up the porch, he noticed another house just around the corner. It was a three-story mansion with a Blue and Orange sidewalk, a 50-foot tall flagpole with an enormous BSU Bronco flag. “In every window, he could see Bronco fans. Bob looked at God and said, ‘God, I'm not trying to be ungrateful, but I have a question. I was a good coach, I won a national championship in 2000, 4 Big 12 Championships, 8 bowl game appearances including 5 BCS Bowls.’

 

“God said, ‘So what do you want to know, Bob?’

 

"’Well, why does Chris Petersen get a better house than me?’

 

“God chuckled and said, ‘Bob, that's not Petersen's house, that's mine.’