Cubs Made An Offer To Suppan?

[Mizzou]

If thats true the Cards are offering 3/20M that is way below market. Almost insultingly low.

No kidding. They can't possibly expect him to sign for that.

 

And for the record, I'd prefer Suppan to Lilly or Meche.

[NorthsideAvenger]

I'd take Suppan in a heartbeat over Lilly/Meche. But since it looks like the Cubs are close to Meche, if you believe Seattle, then the Cubs had better hope that one of Guzman/Prior/Miller steps their game up BIG time, or the Cubs, once again will have an mediocre, yet expensive, rotation.

[goonys evil twin]

If thats true the Cards are offering 3/20M that is way below market. Almost insultingly low.

 

no kidding. Guys like Suppan were getting 3/24-27 a couple years ago.

[killthegoat06]

I'd take Suppan in a heartbeat over Lilly/Meche. But since it looks like the Cubs are close to Meche, if you believe Seattle, then the Cubs had better hope that one of Guzman/Prior/Miller steps their game up BIG time, or the Cubs, once again will have an mediocre, yet expensive, rotation.

 

To go along with that lineup ... yep .... definitely WS favorites.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Suppan has consistently posted 100 or better OPS+. He's not great by any means, but he's a good bet for 190 IP at league average ERA. That's a lot more than I can say for Gil Meche and Ted Lilly.

[Drew Doughty]

Suppan has consistently posted 100 or better OPS+. He's not great by any means, but he's a good bet for 190 IP at league average ERA. That's a lot more than I can say for Gil Meche and Ted Lilly.

 

Cool, but how is he at pitching?

 

;)

 

I dunno. I like Suppan, especially if he's going to sign for fewer years and less cash, but we would still need another similar-to-better pitcher to be serious about next year.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Suppan has consistently posted 100 or better OPS+. He's not great by any means, but he's a good bet for 190 IP at league average ERA. That's a lot more than I can say for Gil Meche and Ted Lilly.

 

Cool, but how is he at pitching?

 

;)

 

I dunno. I like Suppan, especially if he's going to sign for fewer years and less cash, but we would still need another similar-to-better pitcher to be serious about next year.

 

That's where Penny comes in. Add Church for CF, and I really like this team.

[snoodmonger]

Well, of the remaining guys, I'll take Soup, but remember back in October, when we all thought we might land Mats or schmidt, and we were laughing at the team that would overpay for Suppan's lights-out postseason?

 

Now we're clamoring for him.

 

Weird how things change.

[Shilzzz]

Suppan has consistently posted 100 or better OPS+. He's not great by any means, but he's a good bet for 190 IP at league average ERA. That's a lot more than I can say for Gil Meche and Ted Lilly.

 

Cool, but how is he at pitching?

 

;)

 

I dunno. I like Suppan, especially if he's going to sign for fewer years and less cash, but we would still need another similar-to-better pitcher to be serious about next year.

 

That's where Penny comes in. Add Church for CF, and I really like this team.

 

that's it right there.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Well, of the remaining guys, I'll take Soup, but remember back in October, when we all thought we might land Mats or schmidt, and we were laughing at the team that would overpay for Suppan's lights-out postseason?

 

Now we're clamoring for him.

 

Weird how things change.

 

You know what they say...desperate times call for desperate measures...

[Drew Doughty]

Well, of the remaining guys, I'll take Soup, but remember back in October, when we all thought we might land Mats or schmidt, and we were laughing at the team that would overpay for Suppan's lights-out postseason?

 

Now we're clamoring for him.

 

Weird how things change.

 

I figured he'd be the highest-priced of the 2nd-tier free agents.

 

Weird how things change ;)

[snoodmonger]

Well, of the remaining guys, I'll take Soup, but remember back in October, when we all thought we might land Mats or schmidt, and we were laughing at the team that would overpay for Suppan's lights-out postseason?

 

Now we're clamoring for him.

 

Weird how things change.

 

You know what they say...desperate times call for desperate measures...

 

it's remiscient of how Jones was the worst possible signing, and people were describing him as untradeable, and now many are reluctant to let him go for fear of the effect it will have on our Offense.

[cubs121]

i would not mind getting Suppan at all... ive wanted him over Lilly and Meche this whole time!

[ThePenguin11]

Well, of the remaining guys, I'll take Soup, but remember back in October, when we all thought we might land Mats or schmidt, and we were laughing at the team that would overpay for Suppan's lights-out postseason?

 

Now we're clamoring for him.

 

Weird how things change.

 

You know what they say...desperate times call for desperate measures...

 

it's remiscient of how Jones was the worst possible signing, and people were describing him as untradeable, and now many are reluctant to let him go for fear of the effect it will have on our Offense.

 

I must have missed the Suppan discussion. He's always seemed to be a magnet to teams trying to contend and never has any clunker seasons.

[A New Era]

Now that you guys are talking about it, Suppan does sound like a good option. How come none of you brought him up when we were all saying how bad lilly and meche were, as an alternative (not saying I disagree). . But it's funny I haven't heard us discuss suppan much, if at all, before this. .

[CubmanPi]

I'll take Lilly over Suppan any day of the week.

 

Look at Suppan's innings over the past eight years and the rest of his stats over the past four seasons. He's been the model of consistency and is not at all the gamble the other SP's have been thus far. With Suppan you know what you're getting:

 

~190 IP

~110K

~60 BB

~4.00 ERA

31-32 Starts

~14 wins

 

With the Cubs, you don't know that last one to be true.

 

Also remember that he was with the Cards. Figure in the extra year of age and the change of scenery to the northside, and standard metrics project his numbers with the Cubs in '07 to be along the lines of:

 

~75 IP

~35K

~60BB

~6.35 ERA

~17 starts

~5 wins

~2.5 months on the DL

[cubs121]

i havent heard about this offer anywhere else.... kind of like what someone from the KC star said yesterday that the cubs offered Schmidt a contract. has anyone else heard about this Suppan thing anywhere else?

[ThePenguin11]

I'll take Lilly over Suppan any day of the week.

 

Look at Suppan's innings over the past eight years and the rest of his stats over the past four seasons. He's been the model of consistency and is not at all the gamble the other SP's have been thus far. With Suppan you know what you're getting:

 

~190 IP

~110K

~60 BB

~4.00 ERA

31-32 Starts

~14 wins

 

With the Cubs, you don't know that last one to be true.

 

Also remember that he was with the Cards. Figure in the extra year of age and the change of scenery to the northside, and standard metrics project his numbers with the Cubs in '07 to be along the lines of:

 

~75 IP

~35K

~60BB

~6.35 ERA

~17 starts

~5 wins

~2.5 months on the DL

 

So you're just going to throw numbers around arbitrarily? Those are based on absolutely nothing. All of the sudden his bb/K ratio is going to flip flop? Standard metrics couldn't possibly be more wrong if this is the case. So based on this theory, or metric, would Carlos Zambrano be a 30-game winner if he joined the cards? Would he then strike out 300 hitters because he was a cardinal? Would he be twice the horse and throw more innings (300?) while staying even more healthy?

[Cubsmodano]

Honestly, there's been so many names mentioned at this point, I'm having a tough time figuring out which two pitchers I want the Cubs to grab. Especially now that Westbrook looks like he's staying put with the Indians filling out their bullpens. I'd guess overall, factoring how I think they'll do next year, overall price, and cost of prospects, something like this...

 

Lilly, Suppan, Penny, Zito, Meche, Jennings and Marquis dead last.

 

Am I forgetting anybody?

[KingCubsFan]

I'll take Lilly over Suppan any day of the week.

 

Look at Suppan's innings over the past eight years and the rest of his stats over the past four seasons. He's been the model of consistency and is not at all the gamble the other SP's have been thus far. With Suppan you know what you're getting:

 

~190 IP

~110K

~60 BB

~4.00 ERA

31-32 Starts

~14 wins

 

With the Cubs, you don't know that last one to be true.

 

Also remember that he was with the Cards. Figure in the extra year of age and the change of scenery to the northside, and standard metrics project his numbers with the Cubs in '07 to be along the lines of:

 

~75 IP

~35K

~60BB

~6.35 ERA

~17 starts

~5 wins

~2.5 months on the DL

 

So you're just going to throw numbers around arbitrarily? Those are based on absolutely nothing. All of the sudden his bb/K ratio is going to flip flop? Standard metrics couldn't possibly be more wrong if this is the case. So based on this theory, or metric, would Carlos Zambrano be a 30-game winner if he joined the cards? Would he then strike out 300 hitters because he was a cardinal? Would he be twice the horse and throw more innings (300?) while staying even more healthy?

Yes, yes, yes and yes

[hawkeyecub]

I'll take Lilly over Suppan any day of the week.

 

Look at Suppan's innings over the past eight years and the rest of his stats over the past four seasons. He's been the model of consistency and is not at all the gamble the other SP's have been thus far. With Suppan you know what you're getting:

 

~190 IP

~110K

~60 BB

~4.00 ERA

31-32 Starts

~14 wins

 

With the Cubs, you don't know that last one to be true.

 

Also remember that he was with the Cards. Figure in the extra year of age and the change of scenery to the northside, and standard metrics project his numbers with the Cubs in '07 to be along the lines of:

 

~75 IP

~35K

~60BB

~6.35 ERA

~17 starts

~5 wins

~2.5 months on the DL

 

So you're just going to throw numbers around arbitrarily? Those are based on absolutely nothing. All of the sudden his bb/K ratio is going to flip flop? Standard metrics couldn't possibly be more wrong if this is the case. So based on this theory, or metric, would Carlos Zambrano be a 30-game winner if he joined the cards? Would he then strike out 300 hitters because he was a cardinal? Would he be twice the horse and throw more innings (300?) while staying even more healthy?

 

Um, I'm pretty sure he was just joking.

[A New Era]

I'll take Lilly over Suppan any day of the week.

 

Look at Suppan's innings over the past eight years and the rest of his stats over the past four seasons. He's been the model of consistency and is not at all the gamble the other SP's have been thus far. With Suppan you know what you're getting:

 

~190 IP

~110K

~60 BB

~4.00 ERA

31-32 Starts

~14 wins

 

With the Cubs, you don't know that last one to be true.

 

Also remember that he was with the Cards. Figure in the extra year of age and the change of scenery to the northside, and standard metrics project his numbers with the Cubs in '07 to be along the lines of:

 

~75 IP

~35K

~60BB

~6.35 ERA

~17 starts

~5 wins

~2.5 months on the DL

 

So you're just going to throw numbers around arbitrarily? Those are based on absolutely nothing. All of the sudden his bb/K ratio is going to flip flop? Standard metrics couldn't possibly be more wrong if this is the case. So based on this theory, or metric, would Carlos Zambrano be a 30-game winner if he joined the cards? Would he then strike out 300 hitters because he was a cardinal? Would he be twice the horse and throw more innings (300?) while staying even more healthy?

 

Um, I'm pretty sure he was just joking.

 

A joke. Is a story with a humorous climax? >:|

[CubColtPacer]

Suppan at anything close to that deal is easily the best FA pitcher not named Zito left. I thought during the WS that he would price himself out of the second tier starter market, but since every starter has done the same thing, he becomes the best option once again. He's a proven middle #3 or a very good #4, and it would be nice to have a second person in the rotation who you know you're going to get average or better production out of (Hill you expect it as well, but you don't know-and who knows with the way pitchers like Lilly and Meche have bounced around, although Lilly would be more likely to then Meche would). Suppan+Jennings or Suppan+Lilly would make the rotation at least average, and could be better if Hill, Prior, or Miller really step up (When I say that, I'm saying Hill having a full season of #2 starter work instead of #4, or either Prior or Miller pitching more like a #2 or #3 rather than a #5, which both are capable of).

[wolf stansson]

Bernie is very reliable...

 

This is sarcasm, guys. Bernie is hit and miss.

 

Also, I think it's funny that when he is a Cardinal he is a soft tossing bum who is just lucky to have been dipped in some weird Cardinals magic, but now he is a good target for the Cubs. He doesn't deserve near the money he'll get.

[XZero771679666304]

Bernie is very reliable...

 

This is sarcasm, guys. Bernie is hit and miss.

 

Also, I think it's funny that when he is a Cardinal he is a soft tossing bum who is just lucky to have been dipped in some weird Cardinals magic, but now he is a good target for the Cubs. He doesn't deserve near the money he'll get.

 

Does anyone this offseason?