Winter Meetings Thread (Merged)

[BigbadB]

I don't think folks understand the market accurately for 28 year old innings eaters. Jennings will command more than one unproven prospect, or a MLB tested young player.

 

Maybe that's the case, but if it means overspending to get that innings eater, it may not be worth it.

 

Personally, I'd offer the world for Schmidt and be happy with that.

 

Zambrano, Schmidt, Hill, Prior, Miller, Guzman and one of Mateo, Marmol or Marshall is enough to get started.

 

If Jacque Jones and one of Mateo, Marmol or Marshall isn't enough, I'd be just as happy with keeping Jones.

[abuck1220]

Marshall and Guz seems a bit steep for Jennings, no?

 

Haven't seen that offer. Gallagher and Guz is definitely too steep. Heck, I think I'd rather trade Rich Hill for Jennings than give up Gallagher AND Guz.

 

so you'd rather have gooz and gallagher in the system than hill? no way.

 

hill's been nothing but durable his entire career, and he's had a long(ish) period of big league success. if you take hill out of the '07 rotation and insert guzman, you're asking for a rotation with tons of potential holes and injuries.

[cheapseats]

Would love to see Baldelli in CF. Wish there were some decent SS options out there.

 

I'd love to see an upgrade at SS, too, but I want no part of Baldelli.

 

I think Baldelli is going to decline dramatically this year, but even if he doesn't, he's one of Pie's top comparables in both PECOTA and FIPro.

[BigbadB]

Marshall and Guz seems a bit steep for Jennings, no?

 

Haven't seen that offer. Gallagher and Guz is definitely too steep. Heck, I think I'd rather trade Rich Hill for Jennings than give up Gallagher AND Guz.

 

so you'd rather have gooz and gallagher in the system than hill? no way.

 

hill's been nothing but durable his entire career, and he's had a long(ish) period of big league success. if you take hill out of the '07 rotation and insert guzman, you're asking for a rotation with tons of potential holes and injuries.

 

The Cubs seem to be one of the top options for Schmidt. Only Seattle seems to have the edge on him. If the Cubs want him, he seems to be there for the taking. If the Cubs also got Jennings for Hill, you have:

 

Zambrano, Schmidt, Jennings, Prior, Miller, Guzman, Mateo, Marmol, Marshall. Going into 2008, or possibly even sooner, you have Gallagher, Veal and Pawelek in the mix, with potentially someone else stepping up, like the Cubs #3 pick in the draft in June. The Cubs could end up with the best overall pick if the top two teams go cheap for signability reasons.

 

I like Hill and wouldn't want to give him up for Jennings. But, I'd rather trade Hill than trade Guzman AND Gallagher.

 

I also don't believe Hendry would close the book if he got Jennings and Schmidt. He might still have enough in the coffers to get Lilly or Meche. Lofton should be fairly cheap, as might be Cliff Floyd.

Edited December 4, 2006 by BigbadB

[Soul]

I don't think folks understand the market accurately for 28 year old innings eaters. Jennings will command more than one unproven prospect, or a MLB tested young player.

 

Maybe that's the case, but if it means overspending to get that innings eater, it may not be worth it.

 

Personally, I'd offer the world for Schmidt and be happy with that.

 

Zambrano, Schmidt, Hill, Prior, Miller, Guzman and one of Mateo, Marmol or Marshall is enough to get started.

 

If Jacque Jones and one of Mateo, Marmol or Marshall isn't enough, I'd be just as happy with keeping Jones.

 

Yeah, I tend to believe "Schmidt and done" is a viable strategy too.

 

The reason I think that, though, is because I really believe Rich Hill is going to break out next year.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think Willy is over-valued by many baseball types, just as Juan Pierre is.

 

He scares me because he's the prototypical Hendry type guy.

[Derwood]

Am I the only person who never, EVER wants to see Mateo, Guzman, Gallagher or Marshall every pitch another inning for the Cubs again?

[BigbadB]

I really believe Rich Hill is going to break out next year.

 

I hope to see it. And I'm not about trading him. I don't think it will take Hill to get Jennings. The Cubs can offer a nice package to get him with guys like Jones, Marmol, Marshall, Mateo, Ohman, Novoa, etc...

[UK1679666180]

Am I the only person who never, EVER wants to see Mateo, Guzman, Gallagher or Marshall every pitch another inning for the Cubs again?

 

When has Gallagher pitched for the Cubs?

[E.J.]

Am I the only person who never, EVER wants to see Mateo, Guzman, Gallagher or Marshall every pitch another inning for the Cubs again?

 

You're probably in quite the minority in thinking that way. And what do you have against Gallagher? You haven't even seen him pitch in a Chicago Cubs jersey yet. :lol:

[Soul]

Am I the only person who never, EVER wants to see Mateo, Guzman, Gallagher or Marshall every pitch another inning for the Cubs again?

 

Really? I thought Marshall might have a chance to be serviceable at some point. Maybe Gooz, but I'm starting to lose a little faith in him.

[Guest]

Am I the only person who never, EVER wants to see Mateo, Guzman, Gallagher or Marshall every pitch another inning for the Cubs again?

I'm most definitely not in your camp.

 

1) I'm not sure what you have against Sean...

 

2) Guzman showed me a lot with his stuff. Given a chance to find himself (perhaps starting out in the pen?), I think he will be a very good MLB pitcher

[C.C.]

I like Hill and wouldn't want to give him up for Jennings. But, I'd rather trade Hill than trade Guzman AND Gallagher.

 

Really? I'm firmly in Hills corner. Guzman still hasn't proven anything in the bigs, and Gallagher is unproven.

[goonys evil twin]

Am I the only person who never, EVER wants to see Mateo, Guzman, Gallagher or Marshall every pitch another inning for the Cubs again?

 

I don't want any of those guys in the starting rotation at the outset of 2007. But I cannot understand why you would be so vehemently oppose them pitching again. With the big deals the Cubs are giving out now, they are going to need several low cost alternatives over the next several years. And each of the guys you mention have enough upside to possibly fill those roles. I'd love if every one of them pitched for the Cubs again, and pitched very well. I understand not wanting to count on them right now, but I can't understand not wanting to ever see them again.

[BigbadB]

Am I the only person who never, EVER wants to see Mateo, Guzman, Gallagher or Marshall every pitch another inning for the Cubs again?

 

First of all, Gallagher has never pitched an inning for the Cubs. He's actually yet to pitch above AA ball. He'll just be turning 21 at the end of this month.

 

As far as the other guys?

 

Greg Maddux posted 5.52 and 5.61 ERA's in his first two major league seasons. While I don't believe any of these guys are future HOFers, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them as garbage. Marshall looked quite studly for many starts.

[abuck1220]

Am I the only person who never, EVER wants to see Mateo, Guzman, Gallagher or Marshall every pitch another inning for the Cubs again?

 

yeah, i'd much rather pay gil meche 4/$40 to put up a 4.50 era than pay marshall $300k to put up a 4.70 era.

[Guest]

I'm really hoping to see Guzman in the rotation to start 2007, actually. It will mean that he has outpitched other candidates to get there.

[E.J.]

Edit: Nevermind :lol: Edited December 4, 2006 by E.J.

[Guest]

Am I the only person who never, EVER wants to see Mateo, Guzman, Gallagher or Marshall every pitch another inning for the Cubs again?

 

First of all, Gallagher has never pitched an inning for the Cubs. He's actually yet to pitch above A ball. He'll just be turning 21 at the end of this month.

 

As far as the other guys?

 

Greg Maddux posted 5.52 and 5.61 ERA's in his first two major league seasons. While I don't believe any of these guys are future HOFers, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them as garbage. Marshall looked quite studly for many starts.

 

Gallagher pitched over half his games in AA last year.

He already edited his post. :D

[BigbadB]

Gallagher pitched over half his games in AA last year.

 

Already fixed it. Damn typos.

[Uber]

Give me Guz and Marshall any day.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm really hoping to see Guzman in the rotation to start 2007, actually. It will mean that he has outpitched other candidates to get there.

 

Not necessarily. It could mean that both Miller and Prior suffer setbacks, and that there was little else to choose from after Zambrano, 2 new guys and Hill. In other words, he could win the job by default without having pitched all that well.

[C.C.]

I'm really hoping to see Guzman in the rotation to start 2007, actually. It will mean that he has outpitched other candidates to get there.

 

I'm hoping they use him as a swing\long man. Like how the Sox used McCarthy.

[Guest]

I'm really hoping to see Guzman in the rotation to start 2007, actually. It will mean that he has outpitched other candidates to get there.

 

Not necessarily. It could mean that both Miller and Prior suffer setbacks, and that there was little else to choose from after Zambrano, 2 new guys and Hill. In other words, he could win the job by default without having pitched all that well.

Alright, let me amend my statement...

 

I really hope to see Guzman outpitch several other viable candidates to grab a spot in the 2007 rotation out of spring training! :D

[Guest]

I'm really hoping to see Guzman in the rotation to start 2007, actually. It will mean that he has outpitched other candidates to get there.

 

I'm hoping they use him as a swing\long man. Like how the Sox used McCarthy.

Or how the Twins used Santana / Liriano to adjust them to the bigs.