Dodgers sign Schmidt (EDIT: Or they might not have)

[C.C.]

So Hendry's going to overpay for a couple of mediocre starters, yet he can't overpay for a good starter.

 

Glad to see the Jim Hendry we all know and love is back :x

 

Unless you're referring to Zito, you can't make that statement, knowing that Schmidt wanted to stay on the West Coast.

 

We weren't even mentioned in the 3 finalists for Schmidt. The Cardinals were. Last I checked, they weren't on the west coast.

 

Well lets be honest, isn't the Cardinals at this point in time more deserible for a player with no midwest ties then Chicago?

[UMFan83]

Good job Jimbo!

[Rob]

So much for having a good rotation.

 

No combination of available starters would pull that off at this point.

[KingCubsFan]

So much for having a good rotation.

 

No combination of available starters would pull that off at this point.

Our only hope would be for Rothschild to work some Clement magic on Hill, Guzman and Meche if we sign him

[Bruno7481]

Good job Jimbo!

 

I've always thought it is a little presumptious to criticze a GM if a player chooses to go elsewhere. It sounds the Cubs offered him a deal, and so did LA. The player is incomplete control in the free aganet market, one of the few times in their career.

 

If he wanted to stay out west that is more of a relfection of Schmidt's personal interest, not a negative against Hendry.

 

If Hendry didn't even pursue him, then there would be an argument. But it looks like he did, and Schmidt decided to stay on the West Coast.

[Shilzzz]

bummer. do the cubs throw a bunch of money at zito or sign two mediocre pitchers? my money's on mediocrity.

 

apparently, so is hendry's.

[Flames24Rulz]

So Hendry's going to overpay for a couple of mediocre starters, yet he can't overpay for a good starter.

 

Glad to see the Jim Hendry we all know and love is back :x

 

Unless you're referring to Zito, you can't make that statement, knowing that Schmidt wanted to stay on the West Coast.

 

We weren't even mentioned in the 3 finalists for Schmidt. The Cardinals were. Last I checked, they weren't on the west coast.

 

Well lets be honest, isn't the Cardinals at this point in time more deserible for a player with no midwest ties then Chicago?

 

More than likely, yeah.

 

I'm glad he didn't go to St. Louis, but I am pretty disappointed that we weren't able to land him. 4 or 5 years of Lilly-Pad and/or Meche should be real fun...

[cubweiser03]

I blame Prior's recruiting. He failed us again.

No really its a big bummer, i would of been totally surprised had he come to the Cubs. It was a good dream though.

[Cubsmodano]

So Hendry's going to overpay for a couple of mediocre starters, yet he can't overpay for a good starter.

 

Glad to see the Jim Hendry we all know and love is back :x

 

What great starter are you talking about? They weren't going to get Schmidt, he wanted to stay on the West Coast. Just because the Cubs want a guy doesn't mean they are destined to get him.

 

Also, just as many "experts" are picking Lilly to be a better deal than Zito for the course of a deal... this is a weak class, and I think Hendry's doing as good as he can, although losing out on Lugo hurt.

[RynoRules]

I have absolutely no idea how some of you are equating the Cubs "not being a finalist" (a list which has changed almost daily, BTW) with hendry not puting a great offer on the table for Jason. Based on what we have read, Hendry anywhere between 4 yrs and $48-60$ mill. The man simply did not want to come to Chicago.

 

I have no idea what else Hendry could have done here.

[UMFan83]

Good job Jimbo!

 

I've always thought it is a little presumptious to criticze a GM if a player chooses to go elsewhere. It sounds the Cubs offered him a deal, and so did LA. The player is incomplete control in the free aganet market, one of the few times in their career.

 

If he wanted to stay out west that is more of a relfection of Schmidt's personal interest, not a negative against Hendry.

 

If Hendry didn't even pursue him, then there would be an argument. But it looks like he did, and Schmidt decided to stay on the West Coast.

 

The fact that the Cubs weren't mentioned as teams the Dodgers beat out to get Schmidt and the Cards were is the reason for my comment.

 

 

Anyways, Jimbo is likely in full freakout mode and is currently outbidding himself several times to lock up Lilly and Meche

[don_kessinger_was_good]

This is going to turn out bad for us.

[C.C.]

Good job Jimbo!

 

I've always thought it is a little presumptious to criticze a GM if a player chooses to go elsewhere. It sounds the Cubs offered him a deal, and so did LA. The player is incomplete control in the free aganet market, one of the few times in their career.

 

If he wanted to stay out west that is more of a relfection of Schmidt's personal interest, not a negative against Hendry.

 

If Hendry didn't even pursue him, then there would be an argument. But it looks like he did, and Schmidt decided to stay on the West Coast.

 

The fact that the Cubs weren't mentioned as teams the Dodgers beat out to get Schmidt and the Cards were is the reason for my comment.

 

 

Anyways, Jimbo is likely in full freakout mode and is currently outbidding himself several times to lock up Lilly and Meche

 

Because you read one article where it didn't mention the Cubs?

[TheDude]

If the 4/60 rumors re: the Cubs were true, he must have really wanted to stay west of the rockies.

 

Does Lilly remind anyone else of Estes?

Funny that's exactly what my friend said about Lilly but I think Lilly is better than that.

 

It's not even close. The most they have in common is that their left-handed.

 

Do you bother to look stuff up?

Career Averages
Lilly     Estes
184     203       IP
99        90       ERA+
4.6      4.7       ERA
75      104       BB
157    148       SO
1.3      1.5      WHIP

 

Pretty close, but Lilly looks marginally better.

 

Career numbers are not the context I was thinking with my remarks. Why would career numbers make any difference concerning the two players right now? Should anyone signing Maddux use his career numbers for comparison against any other player?

 

I'm thinking right now, as in 2-year or 3-year splits. Estes can't touch Lilly no matter what spin you want to add.

[soapy]

I have absolutely no idea how some of you are equating the Cubs "not being a finalist" (a list which has changed almost daily, BTW) with hendry not puting a great offer on the table for Jason. Based on what we have read, Hendry anywhere between 4 yrs and $48-60$ mill. The man simply did not want to come to Chicago.

 

I have no idea what else Hendry could have done here.

 

I'll agree that "not being a finalist" does not equate to Hendry not trying. However, it should also be noted that Schmidt signing with the Dodgers does not equate Schmidt having no interest in Chicago.

 

We don't know either way, and probably never will.

[CubColtPacer]

I have absolutely no idea how some of you are equating the Cubs "not being a finalist" (a list which has changed almost daily, BTW) with hendry not puting a great offer on the table for Jason. Based on what we have read, Hendry anywhere between 4 yrs and $48-60$ mill. The man simply did not want to come to Chicago.

 

I have no idea what else Hendry could have done here.

 

I'll agree that "not being a finalist" does not equate to Hendry not trying. However, it should also be noted that Schmidt signing with the Dodgers does not equate Schmidt having no interest in Chicago.

 

We don't know either way, and probably never will.

 

That's a fair analysis of the situation. I said beforehand that I'd give Hendry credit if he signed him, blame if he signed a reasonable deal with another non-West Coast team, and neither if he signed a reasonable deal with a West Coast team. He did, and so it's impossible to tell exactly what the Cubs might have offered him.

[YearofDaCubs]

I have absolutely no idea how some of you are equating the Cubs "not being a finalist" (a list which has changed almost daily, BTW) with hendry not puting a great offer on the table for Jason. Based on what we have read, Hendry anywhere between 4 yrs and $48-60$ mill. The man simply did not want to come to Chicago.

 

I have no idea what else Hendry could have done here.

 

I'll agree that "not being a finalist" does not equate to Hendry not trying. However, it should also be noted that Schmidt signing with the Dodgers does not equate Schmidt having no interest in Chicago.

 

We don't know either way, and probably never will.

One way or another it really doesn't matter considering he has signed with the Dodgers.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

What's interesting is while Rosenthal is reporting this as done, ESPN is saying it's close. While there may be little difference, I'm not sure if we might be a little premature in declaring him a Dodger or not.

[RynoRules]

I have absolutely no idea how some of you are equating the Cubs "not being a finalist" (a list which has changed almost daily, BTW) with hendry not puting a great offer on the table for Jason. Based on what we have read, Hendry anywhere between 4 yrs and $48-60$ mill. The man simply did not want to come to Chicago.

 

I have no idea what else Hendry could have done here.

 

I'll agree that "not being a finalist" does not equate to Hendry not trying. However, it should also be noted that Schmidt signing with the Dodgers does not equate Schmidt having no interest in Chicago.

 

We don't know either way, and probably never will.

 

Where did I argue he had no interest? My argument is only that, based on the contract he is signing, no amount of money could convince him - he likely considered it and decided he'd rather stay closer to home.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Well, on mlb.com, it appears the source for this is Schmidt himself as he's reportedly told his Giants teammates that he's joing the Dodgers.

 

Link.

[soapy]

I have absolutely no idea how some of you are equating the Cubs "not being a finalist" (a list which has changed almost daily, BTW) with hendry not puting a great offer on the table for Jason. Based on what we have read, Hendry anywhere between 4 yrs and $48-60$ mill. The man simply did not want to come to Chicago.

 

I have no idea what else Hendry could have done here.

 

I'll agree that "not being a finalist" does not equate to Hendry not trying. However, it should also be noted that Schmidt signing with the Dodgers does not equate Schmidt having no interest in Chicago.

 

We don't know either way, and probably never will.

 

Where did I argue he had no interest? My argument is only that, based on the contract he is signing, no amount of money could convince him - he likely considered it and decided he'd rather stay closer to home.

 

You said, "The man simply did not want to come to Chicago". That may be true, but we don't know that. Just like people pissed off at Hendry don't "know" that he didn't pursue Schmidt heavily.

 

I'm seeing a lot of both, but nobody here knows for sure.

[RynoRules]

I have absolutely no idea how some of you are equating the Cubs "not being a finalist" (a list which has changed almost daily, BTW) with hendry not puting a great offer on the table for Jason. Based on what we have read, Hendry anywhere between 4 yrs and $48-60$ mill. The man simply did not want to come to Chicago.

 

I have no idea what else Hendry could have done here.

 

I'll agree that "not being a finalist" does not equate to Hendry not trying. However, it should also be noted that Schmidt signing with the Dodgers does not equate Schmidt having no interest in Chicago.

 

We don't know either way, and probably never will.

 

Where did I argue he had no interest? My argument is only that, based on the contract he is signing, no amount of money could convince him - he likely considered it and decided he'd rather stay closer to home.

 

You said, "The man simply did not want to come to Chicago". That may be true, but we don't know that. Just like people pissed off at Hendry don't "know" that he didn't pursue Schmidt heavily.

 

I'm seeing a lot of both, but nobody here knows for sure.

 

Right, his ultimate decision was something like this:

 

"Hm, Chicago is offering the most money, but I really would rather be closer to home and take a bit less." In other words, he had interest in joining the Cubs but chose not to do so.

 

So, I again ask you: How is this equivalent to him having "no interest" in joining the Cubs?

[Rob]

I am pissed.

[soapy]

I have absolutely no idea how some of you are equating the Cubs "not being a finalist" (a list which has changed almost daily, BTW) with hendry not puting a great offer on the table for Jason. Based on what we have read, Hendry anywhere between 4 yrs and $48-60$ mill. The man simply did not want to come to Chicago.

 

I have no idea what else Hendry could have done here.

 

I'll agree that "not being a finalist" does not equate to Hendry not trying. However, it should also be noted that Schmidt signing with the Dodgers does not equate Schmidt having no interest in Chicago.

 

We don't know either way, and probably never will.

 

Where did I argue he had no interest? My argument is only that, based on the contract he is signing, no amount of money could convince him - he likely considered it and decided he'd rather stay closer to home.

 

You said, "The man simply did not want to come to Chicago". That may be true, but we don't know that. Just like people pissed off at Hendry don't "know" that he didn't pursue Schmidt heavily.

 

I'm seeing a lot of both, but nobody here knows for sure.

 

Right, his ultimate decision was something like this:

 

"Hm, Chicago is offering the most money, but I really would rather be closer to home and take a bit less." In other words, he had interest in joining the Cubs but chose not to do so.

 

So, I again ask you: How is this equivalent to him having "no interest" in joining the Cubs?

 

When you said he simply did not want to come to Chicago, I interpreted that to mean that he had no interest in joining the Cubs, period. I don't know what was offered by the Cubs (if anything), but I also am not going to assume he turned down more money from the Cubs just because he wanted to be on the west coast. I haven't seen any (credible) reports to that effect.

[BigbadB]

Well, there is good news to this latest Schmidt rumor. I will no longer waste every breathing moment watching or waiting for something to happen at the winter meetings. What I wanted most is no longer an option.

 

I'm off to do better things. Ta Ta!