Lugo to Boston per ESPN News

[BigbadB]

No it isnt, it's vastly underpaying ;)

 

Whoops. 4/36 is overpaying.

[BigbadB]

What other SS do you want? I don't see any decent ones available. It's not like we have a decent SS in our farm system (yeah, I'm looking at you Ronny).

 

This is definitely a problem. Hiding Izturis in the 8 hole all year will not be pretty. On those days that Blanco is catching, the bottom of the order will be horrible.

 

Unfortunately, Hendry seemed to be more interested in Lugo as a CF, so I'm not so sure he sees the huge hole we have at SS. Not a shocker, since he never seemed to notice the gaping hole in RF the last few years.

[rawaction]

Next year's FA class has to be itching to get the 2007 season over with, since they are actually good.

[YearofDaCubs]

Matsuzaka, Drew, and Lugo...

 

The Red Sox have gotten everybody I really wanted off the free agent market this season, aside from Aramis.

Ditto. Damn good GM they have there in Boston.

[rocket]

more reason to move jacque to center.

[RichHillIsABeast]

What other SS do you want? I don't see any decent ones available. It's not like we have a decent SS in our farm system (yeah, I'm looking at you Ronny).

 

This is definitely a problem. Hiding Izturis in the 8 hole all year will not be pretty. On those days that Blanco is catching, the bottom of the order will be horrible.

 

Unfortunately, Hendry seemed to be more interested in Lugo as a CF, so I'm not so sure he sees the huge hole we have at SS. Not a shocker, since he never seemed to notice the gaping hole in RF the last few years.

 

Lugo would only have been in CF for one season and then he would have moved to short. I think Hendry is well aware of the SS problem. Izturis is great in the field and poor with the bat. Ronny Cedeno is poor defensively and offensively. Lugo and Furcal would have been good defensively and solid offensively (for that position). Overpaid? Yeah, but it's not like we're going to trade prospects for a sure thing SS.

 

Tampa was asking the moon for Lugo last season. Decent SS are expensive via trade as well.

 

I'd rather fork over the money than the prospects anyway, but that's just me.

[BigbadB]

At 9m per, I have to hope Ryan Theriot is close to being as good as he was last year, because I would hate for the Cubs to be saddled by a Julio Lugo contract when it came time to hand out an extension to Zambrano.

[TB_11]

More confirmation that the market for free agent shortstops is officially stupid.

[Bruno7481]

Very expensive day for Boston.

 

Still not sure how much it really improved them. You think you could get a little more than Drew and Lugo for 106 million.

 

Wow.

[VanceJergins]

Very expensive day for Boston.

 

Still not sure how much it really improved them. You think you could get a little more than Drew and Lugo for 106 million.

 

Wow.

 

like 78% of Soriano

[Bruno7481]

Very expensive day for Boston.

 

Still not sure how much it really improved them. You think you could get a little more than Drew and Lugo for 106 million.

 

Wow.

 

like 78% of Soriano

 

All these contracts are ridiculous, I know.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

He had better crap Benjamins for 36M.

[Illini Iceman]

Matsuzaka, Drew, and Lugo...

 

The Red Sox have gotten everybody I really wanted off the free agent market this season, aside from Aramis.

Ditto. Damn good GM they have there in Boston.

 

Yeah, great move there trading Hanley Ramirez and Edgar Renteria so you can throw $9M a year at a guy that is worse than both of them.

 

Colletti is also quite the genius giving up Joel Guzman and Sergio Pedroza so Lugo could sit on the bench during the stretch run last year. That really paid off.

[BigbadB]

Matsuzaka, Drew, and Lugo...

 

The Red Sox have gotten everybody I really wanted off the free agent market this season, aside from Aramis.

Ditto. Damn good GM they have there in Boston.

 

Yeah, great move there trading Hanley Ramirez and Edgar Renteria so you can throw $9M a year at a guy that is worse than both of them.

 

Colletti is also quite the genius giving up Joel Guzman and Sergio Pedroza so Lugo could sit on the bench during the stretch run last year. That really paid off.

 

Good points.

[YearofDaCubs]

Matsuzaka, Drew, and Lugo...

 

The Red Sox have gotten everybody I really wanted off the free agent market this season, aside from Aramis.

Ditto. Damn good GM they have there in Boston.

 

Yeah, great move there trading Hanley Ramirez and Edgar Renteria so you can throw $9M a year at a guy that is worse than both of them.

 

Colletti is also quite the genius giving up Joel Guzman and Sergio Pedroza so Lugo could sit on the bench during the stretch run last year. That really paid off.

His WS series ring on his finger must feel very nice...

[sunnydoo]

Again, if we're not going to go for it in the next 2 years, we need to trade off everyone on the whole dang team. Sitting around and waiting for farm kids to develop is a waste of Lee, Aram, Big Z, etc in their peak years.

 

I said one year. We still have several holes that need to be filled to seriously contend for a Series run. Just need to improve and take it one step at a time.

 

Get better next year and make the push in '08, our 100th Anniversary.

 

Could you imagine if we added someone like an Andruw Jones in '08? Would have a pretty stout payroll and lineup.

[jjgman21]

The Sox saving us for the second time in one evening. Thank God yet again.

 

As ESPN said earlier, do the Cubs really think they can win this year? I agree with them. Put Lofton in CF for 1 year and let Pie develop. If he cant, 5 of the top 8 CFs in the game are FAs next season. So we could be more selective than just settling for a problem.

 

Wells, Jones, and who? Hunter? who else?

[nilodnayr]

The Sox saving us for the second time in one evening. Thank God yet again.

 

As ESPN said earlier, do the Cubs really think they can win this year? I agree with them. Put Lofton in CF for 1 year and let Pie develop. If he cant, 5 of the top 8 CFs in the game are FAs next season. So we could be more selective than just settling for a problem.

 

Wells, Jones, and who? Hunter? who else?

 

Cameron...and I'm drawing a blank.

[Hosak8]

...or perhaps there are some on this message board who don't have a firm grasp on the current market situation?

 

I think that's out of line. Everyone here realizes what the market situation is. Regardless of what the market situation is, 9/36 is overpaying. Plain and simple. Look up Julio Lugo's stats and tell me he's worth 9m a year, because he's not.

 

I wanted Lugo. I like his abilities. But, for 9m, no thanks.

 

Take that extra money and offer it to Schmidt. Trade for Ryan Church to play CF and let Boston deal with Lugo for the next 4 years.

 

But, save the high and mighty talk. It doesn't become you.

 

Ahh, if only free agents and their contracts existed in a vacuum... then you'd have a solid point. Based solely on the numbers that Lugo has put up and is capable of putting up, there's no way that you could justify that much coin. However, relative to the hole we have at SS (or CF) and what other players are making, an offer of $8 million per season is not overpaying (keep in mind that I was never pointing out that 36 million over 4 years was not too much- my initial point is that I was ridiculed for suggesting we pay him less $ over fewer years...)

 

I guess we can agree to disagree. Whether or not you and I agree is really irrelevant, anyway. We still have huge gaping holes on the roster of our favorite team, and the difference makers that we'd like to have all seem to be ending up in other uniforms. That matter a whole lot more to me than you and I agreeing to what constitutes overpaying.

[sunnydoo]

Wells, Jones, and who? Hunter? who else?

 

Wells, Jones, Hunter, Cameron, and Crawford (Carl Crawford, and yes i know he is playing LF right now).

 

Also Freel, Rowand (ick), and possibly a few salary arby dogs will be available as well, like a Bay or a Sizemore if those teams dont step up and pay to play.

[J.R.]

...or perhaps there are some on this message board who don't have a firm grasp on the current market situation?

 

I think that's out of line. Everyone here realizes what the market situation is. Regardless of what the market situation is, 9/36 is overpaying. Plain and simple. Look up Julio Lugo's stats and tell me he's worth 9m a year, because he's not.

 

I wanted Lugo. I like his abilities. But, for 9m, no thanks.

 

Take that extra money and offer it to Schmidt. Trade for Ryan Church to play CF and let Boston deal with Lugo for the next 4 years.

 

But, save the high and mighty talk. It doesn't become you.

 

I knocked over the SunSphere.

[BigbadB]

Ahh, if only free agents and their contracts existed in a vacuum... then you'd have a solid point. Based solely on the numbers that Lugo has put up and is capable of putting up, there's no way that you could justify that much coin. However, relative to the hole we have at SS (or CF) and what other players are making, an offer of $8 million per season is not overpaying (keep in mind that I was never pointing out that 36 million over 4 years was not too much- my initial point is that I was ridiculed for suggesting we pay him less $ over fewer years...)

 

I guess we can agree to disagree. Whether or not you and I agree is really irrelevant, anyway. We still have huge gaping holes on the roster of our favorite team, and the difference makers that we'd like to have all seem to be ending up in other uniforms. That matter a whole lot more to me than you and I agreeing to what constitutes overpaying.

 

I agree. And I've actually been parading this site preaching the necessity of Lugo. I'm about as anti-Izturis as it gets.

 

If the Cubs overpaid to get Lugo, I wouldn't have been upset. But, I can't blame them for not overpaying, either. I can blame Hendry for not recognizing the importance of OBP in the line up. I can blame him for viewing Izturis as the answer at SS. I can blame him for expressing his interest in Lugo to play CF, rather than the position we actually need him.

 

It basically comes down to Hendry not understanding how to build a baseball team, and he's proving it even more this offseason.

Edited December 6, 2006 by BigbadB

[Hosak8]

...or perhaps there are some on this message board who don't have a firm grasp on the current market situation?

 

I think that's out of line. Everyone here realizes what the market situation is. Regardless of what the market situation is, 9/36 is overpaying. Plain and simple. Look up Julio Lugo's stats and tell me he's worth 9m a year, because he's not.

 

I wanted Lugo. I like his abilities. But, for 9m, no thanks.

 

Take that extra money and offer it to Schmidt. Trade for Ryan Church to play CF and let Boston deal with Lugo for the next 4 years.

 

But, save the high and mighty talk. It doesn't become you.

 

I knocked over the SunSphere.

 

Ummm... I, uh, shot JR?

 

Did wigs really come puring out of the sunsphere when you knocked it over?

[J.R.]

Did wigs really come puring out of the sunsphere when you knocked it over?

 

Aye.

[Soriano12]

congrats to the wife beater on his new contract.