Cubs Pursuing Lilly

[Modzilla]

My powers are greater than Modzilla's even on a bad day.

 

Oh please.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Correction, Lilly's ERA+ in 04 was 109, not 120.

 

No, his ERA+ was 120 in 2002 and 2004. It was 109 in 2006.

 

I'm stupid, the rest of the argument still stands.

 

You should feel even worse considering I'm drunk and caught that. :wink:

[Balsa]

My powers are greater than Modzilla's even on a bad day.

 

Oh please.

I stared at that avatar for like an hour trying to figure out how they did that without stopping the film, and finally figured out that they DID, but it's hard to notice. Right when the arm makes it's second pass in front of the camera they switch out the guy and put in the fake head. Well done though.

[nilodnayr]

Correction, Lilly's ERA+ in 04 was 109, not 120.

 

No, his ERA+ was 120 in 2002 and 2004. It was 109 in 2006.

 

I'm stupid, the rest of the argument still stands.

 

You should feel even worse considering I'm drunk and caught that. :wink:

 

I am shamed :)

[nilodnayr]

Woohoo!!!

 

Per Rotoworld

 

The Jays made a formal offer late Monday night to keep Ted Lilly, according to CBS Sportsline's Scott Miller.

It was probably a four-year offer approaching or exceeding the one put forth by the Cubs. It's possible Lilly could end up making a little more than $10 million per year.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Woohoo!!!

 

Per Rotoworld

 

The Jays made a formal offer late Monday night to keep Ted Lilly, according to CBS Sportsline's Scott Miller.

It was probably a four-year offer approaching or exceeding the one put forth by the Cubs. It's possible Lilly could end up making a little more than $10 million per year.

 

Something tells me that this is nothing but a smokescreen.

[E.J.]

Woohoo!!!

 

Per Rotoworld

 

The Jays made a formal offer late Monday night to keep Ted Lilly, according to CBS Sportsline's Scott Miller.

It was probably a four-year offer approaching or exceeding the one put forth by the Cubs. It's possible Lilly could end up making a little more than $10 million per year.

 

Something tells me that this is nothing but a smokescreen.

 

Yep. Probably Lilly's agent trying to squeeze a little extra coin out of the Cubs.

[Iceblink]

Go Blue Jays, go!

[abuck1220]

if schmidt is asking for $15 and lilly's asking for $10+ just pony up and get the much better pitcher, please.

[goonys evil twin]

if schmidt is asking for $15 and lilly's asking for $10+ just pony up and get the much better pitcher, please.

 

No kidding. This is where the throwing around of $2-4m deals to mediocre (or worse) replacable players hurts you. If a far superior pitcher costs only $5m more than the other guy, go with the better pitcher.

[CubinNY]

if schmidt is asking for $15 and lilly's asking for $10+ just pony up and get the much better pitcher, please.

 

No kidding. This is where the throwing around of $2-4m deals to mediocre (or worse) replacable players hurts you. If a far superior pitcher costs only $5m more than the other guy, go with the better pitcher.

 

I agree with both of you, but I think the stiking point is years not money.

[UMFan83]

Hypothetically taking Schmidt out of the location, which FA pitchers would you rather have then Lilly?

 

Just wondering because I think Hendry will go to Marquis/Meche/etc if he doesn't get Lilly

[goonys evil twin]

if schmidt is asking for $15 and lilly's asking for $10+ just pony up and get the much better pitcher, please.

 

No kidding. This is where the throwing around of $2-4m deals to mediocre (or worse) replacable players hurts you. If a far superior pitcher costs only $5m more than the other guy, go with the better pitcher.

 

I agree with both of you, but I think the stiking point is years not money.

 

If Lilly gets 4 years I don't think he's any less of a risk to fail than Schmidt at 4 years.

[CubinNY]

if schmidt is asking for $15 and lilly's asking for $10+ just pony up and get the much better pitcher, please.

 

No kidding. This is where the throwing around of $2-4m deals to mediocre (or worse) replacable players hurts you. If a far superior pitcher costs only $5m more than the other guy, go with the better pitcher.

 

I agree with both of you, but I think the stiking point is years not money.

 

If Lilly gets 4 years I don't think he's any less of a risk to fail than Schmidt at 4 years.

I'm on board. How do we convince Hendry?

[goonys evil twin]

Hypothetically taking Schmidt out of the location, which FA pitchers would you rather have then Lilly?

 

Just wondering because I think Hendry will go to Marquis/Meche/etc if he doesn't get Lilly

 

And he'll love himself for it.

 

At that point you just have to make the lineup as good as possible (in other words, much better than it is right now), and patch together the pitching. Padilla was the best of the bunch, and he's off the market.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm on board. How do we convince Hendry?

 

That's unpossible.

 

I'm just hoping for the best extremely inefficient team money can buy.

[abuck1220]

if schmidt is asking for $15 and lilly's asking for $10+ just pony up and get the much better pitcher, please.

 

No kidding. This is where the throwing around of $2-4m deals to mediocre (or worse) replacable players hurts you. If a far superior pitcher costs only $5m more than the other guy, go with the better pitcher.

 

I agree with both of you, but I think the stiking point is years not money.

 

i'd take 3 typical years of schmidt + 1 year were he completely falls apart over 4 typical lilly years.

[RynoRules]

if schmidt is asking for $15 and lilly's asking for $10+ just pony up and get the much better pitcher, please.

 

No kidding. This is where the throwing around of $2-4m deals to mediocre (or worse) replacable players hurts you. If a far superior pitcher costs only $5m more than the other guy, go with the better pitcher.

 

I agree with both of you, but I think the stiking point is years not money.

 

i'd take 3 typical years of schmidt + 1 year were he completely falls apart over 4 typical lilly years.

 

co-sign

[goonys evil twin]

if schmidt is asking for $15 and lilly's asking for $10+ just pony up and get the much better pitcher, please.

 

No kidding. This is where the throwing around of $2-4m deals to mediocre (or worse) replacable players hurts you. If a far superior pitcher costs only $5m more than the other guy, go with the better pitcher.

 

I agree with both of you, but I think the stiking point is years not money.

 

i'd take 3 typical years of schmidt + 1 year were he completely falls apart over 4 typical lilly years.

 

co-sign

 

I would without question take the 3/1 of Schmidt over 4 Lilly.

[Soul]

if schmidt is asking for $15 and lilly's asking for $10+ just pony up and get the much better pitcher, please.

 

No kidding. This is where the throwing around of $2-4m deals to mediocre (or worse) replacable players hurts you. If a far superior pitcher costs only $5m more than the other guy, go with the better pitcher.

 

I agree with both of you, but I think the stiking point is years not money.

 

i'd take 3 typical years of schmidt + 1 year were he completely falls apart over 4 typical lilly years.

 

co-sign

 

I would without question take the 3/1 of Schmidt over 4 Lilly.

 

Me too. Not sure if Hendry is seriously looking at Schmidt anymore, especially with the Jennings trade rumor. Sounds like Lilly/Jennings with Meche as a fall-back option.

 

Kinda yukky. Not totally yukky, but kinda yukky.

[abuck1220]

you may be able to get by with jennings + lilly, but only if either a) prior pitches like he did in 2003 or b) hill pitches like he did in the 2nd half.

 

if either of those things happen, prior/hill would pitch well enough to be your #2 and lilly and jennings could be serviceable as your #3/4. but counting on either of those guys to be your #2 is a bad idea.

[BigbadB]

It's time for some fresh, hot Schmidt rumors. The guy needs some major attention at this very moment.

 

Come on, Hendry!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

If Maddux signs with the Padres, the Dodgers are expected to move to Lilly or Meche (along with Schmidt).

[Soul]

you may be able to get by with jennings + lilly, but only if either a) prior pitches like he did in 2003 or b) hill pitches like he did in the 2nd half.

 

if either of those things happen, prior/hill would pitch well enough to be your #2 and lilly and jennings could be serviceable as your #3/4. but counting on either of those guys to be your #2 is a bad idea.

 

I think we're going to have to count on Rich Hill at some point. His minor league numbers are incredible, and his 2nd half in the majors was, as you said, good. He's got it in him----there's something to be said for giving a guy the reins and saying "you can do it, so go do it."

[goonys evil twin]

you may be able to get by with jennings + lilly, but only if either a) prior pitches like he did in 2003 or b) hill pitches like he did in the 2nd half.

 

if either of those things happen, prior/hill would pitch well enough to be your #2 and lilly and jennings could be serviceable as your #3/4. but counting on either of those guys to be your #2 is a bad idea.

 

I think we're going to have to count on Rich Hill at some point. His minor league numbers are incredible, and his 2nd half in the majors was, as you said, good. He's got it in him----there's something to be said for giving a guy the reins and saying "you can do it, so go do it."

 

There's also a difference between giving such a player a full-time spot in the rotation to go do it, and counting on that guy to have an amazing year in order for your team to have a chance at success.