College Football - Championship Week

[CuseCubFan69]

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true.

 

great. now you too. mmmk.

 

no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot.

 

 

 

 

why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board.

 

I watch a lot of college football and I used to scout teams for the Varsity HS team and look for weaknesses and strengths. Honestly, if I didn't feel so strongly about the subject I wouldn't debate it so hard. 2 years ago I would agree with you. Last year the Big East was a competitive conference but not one of the top ones. This year they can compete with any conference in the country bar none but reputations preceed actual production in college football.

[Andy]

So the BCS now looks like:

 

NC - OSU vs Michigan OR Florida

Rose - USC vs LSU OR Michigan

Sugar - Florida OR LSU vs Notre Dame

Orange - Wake Forest vs Louisville

Fiesta - Oklahoma vs Boise State

 

If Florida goes to the title game, LSU goes to the Sugar and Michigan to the Rose.

 

If Michigan goes, Florida slides to the Sugar and LSU plays in the Rose.

 

Pretty simple.

[CuseCubFan69]

Man Cuse. You are getting close to tin foil hat territory.

 

Big East just needs to start scheduling the games. That's all. There's no conspiracy.

 

When Bobby Bowden wanted FSU to get respect, what did he do? He started scheduling tougher games. Fresno State also has done the same, and has gained more national recognition.

 

It's not the Big East's fault they don't have the history on their side. But they still need to work their way up.

 

I guess I'm confused on how you think Miami and Kansas St are horrible teams? They have amoung the top 15 records over the last 15 years.

 

I just told you that I am not going to let you get away with selective facts.

 

KState

 

05 5-6

04 4-7

03 11-4

02 11-2

 

and in which of those years was KState scheduled?

 

Schedules are made years in advance. Whoops sorry, I was using facts again.

[ConstableRabbit]

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true.

 

great. now you too. mmmk.

 

no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot.

 

 

 

 

why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board.

 

Yeah, I don't get that either. Ohio St. and Michigan are both really good, Wisconsin is good (that's three BCS teams right there). Are South Florida, Cincy, and Pittsburgh better than Penn St., Purdue, and Minnesota?

 

I don't think so.

[CuseCubFan69]

So the BCS now looks like:

 

NC - OSU vs Michigan OR Florida

Rose - USC vs LSU OR Michigan

Sugar - Florida OR LSU vs Notre Dame

Orange - Wake Forest vs Louisville

Fiesta - Oklahoma vs Boise State

 

If Florida goes to the title game, LSU goes to the Sugar and Michigan to the Rose.

 

If Michigan goes, Florida slides to the Sugar and LSU plays in the Rose.

 

Pretty simple.

 

I forgot how they pick the teams again. Do they pick by bowls 2 at a time or does each bowl get one pick?

[jjgman21]

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true.

 

great. now you too. mmmk.

 

no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot.

 

 

 

 

why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board.

 

I watch a lot of college football and I used to scout teams for the Varsity HS team and look for weaknesses and strengths. Honestly, if I didn't feel so strongly about the subject I wouldn't debate it so hard. 2 years ago I would agree with you. Last year the Big East was a competitive conference but not one of the top ones. This year they can compete with any conference in the country bar none but reputations preceed actual production in college football.

 

then I guess the operative words are "used to." your powers of observation must have taken a hit over the years. I just watched WVU-Rutgers and I watched parts of Rutgers-Louisville and I saw Rutgers-Cincinnati. the level of play is far below that of the power conferences.

 

those 200 pound linebackers for WVU trying to stop the Rutgers running back in a goal line situation is all you really need to know about the conference.

[CuseCubFan69]

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true.

 

great. now you too. mmmk.

 

no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot.

 

 

 

 

why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board.

 

Yeah, I don't get that either. Ohio St. and Michigan are both really good, Wisconsin is good (that's three BCS teams right there). Are South Florida, Cincy, and Pittsburgh better than Penn St., Purdue, and Minnesota?

 

I don't think so.

 

I take it you win every bet you make since you always know what teams are better? God, UConn which finished in last....last beat Indiana in Indiana. Talk about not getting it.

[Andy]

So the BCS now looks like:

 

NC - OSU vs Michigan OR Florida

Rose - USC vs LSU OR Michigan

Sugar - Florida OR LSU vs Notre Dame

Orange - Wake Forest vs Louisville

Fiesta - Oklahoma vs Boise State

 

If Florida goes to the title game, LSU goes to the Sugar and Michigan to the Rose.

 

If Michigan goes, Florida slides to the Sugar and LSU plays in the Rose.

 

Pretty simple.

 

I forgot how they pick the teams again. Do they pick by bowls 2 at a time or does each bowl get one pick?

The Rose will get the 1st pick since they lost OSU. They'll pick USC.

 

If Florida goes, the Sugar picks next, and they'd take ND (we assume again). If not, then no one has a "special" pick.

 

The Sugar has the 1st at-large pick because it rotates each year. They would take ND (if Florida does not go, to set up the ND/Florida matchup), or they would take LSU (if Florida goes in which case they'd already have picked ND, setting up an ND/LSU matchup).

 

The Rose has the 2nd pick, and would take Michigan.

 

After that it's much less confusing. The Orange would pick Louisville to face Wake (who is locked into the Orange as ACC champ).

 

The Fiesta has the last pick and will take Boise State to play Oklahoma (who is locked into the Fiesta as Big 12 champs).

 

Hope I didn't make it too confusing.

 

Edit to fix something, I think.

Edited December 3, 2006 by Andy

[NewUserName]

Man Cuse. You are getting close to tin foil hat territory.

 

Big East just needs to start scheduling the games. That's all. There's no conspiracy.

 

When Bobby Bowden wanted FSU to get respect, what did he do? He started scheduling tougher games. Fresno State also has done the same, and has gained more national recognition.

 

It's not the Big East's fault they don't have the history on their side. But they still need to work their way up.

 

 

Than what gives the SEC respect. There bowl record in quasi home games. It certainly isnt any tough non-conference road games or anything like that. Again I dont think that the Big East is as good as Cuse is claiming. I do think they are pretty good though. I think Louisville claim to the NC title game is legitimate. I wouldnt put them in but still they should at least be in some sort of discussion.

[soccer10k]

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true.

 

great. now you too. mmmk.

 

no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot.

 

 

 

 

why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board.

 

Yeah, I don't get that either. Ohio St. and Michigan are both really good, Wisconsin is good (that's three BCS teams right there). Are South Florida, Cincy, and Pittsburgh better than Penn St., Purdue, and Minnesota?

 

I don't think so.

 

It wasn't a comparison to the Big East. I was simply pointing out that the Big 10, after OSU, UM, and maybe Wisconsin (we'll find out after their bowl game), is just a bunch of crap. Obviously those three teams bring up the overall rating of the conference and they are what makes the Big 10 better than the ACC and Big 12, but the rest of the Big 10 isn't good this year.

 

With that statement, I'm not saying the Big East is better or worse than the Big 10.

[CuseCubFan69]

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true.

 

great. now you too. mmmk.

 

no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot.

 

 

 

 

why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board.

 

I watch a lot of college football and I used to scout teams for the Varsity HS team and look for weaknesses and strengths. Honestly, if I didn't feel so strongly about the subject I wouldn't debate it so hard. 2 years ago I would agree with you. Last year the Big East was a competitive conference but not one of the top ones. This year they can compete with any conference in the country bar none but reputations preceed actual production in college football.

 

then I guess the operative words are "used to." your powers of observation must have taken a hit over the years. I just watched WVU-Rutgers and I watched parts of Rutgers-Louisville and I saw Rutgers-Cincinnati. the level of play is far below that of the power conferences.

 

those 200 pound linebackers for WVU trying to stop the Rutgers running back in a goal line situation is all you really need to know about the conference.

 

I never and let me say never said WV had a good defense and I also said at the beginning of the year that Louisville was the Best team in the big East. Opps, sorry, using more facts. You just keep on the rambling assumptions....carry on.

[CuseCubFan69]

So the BCS now looks like:

 

NC - OSU vs Michigan OR Florida

Rose - USC vs LSU OR Michigan

Sugar - Florida OR LSU vs Notre Dame

Orange - Wake Forest vs Louisville

Fiesta - Oklahoma vs Boise State

 

If Florida goes to the title game, LSU goes to the Sugar and Michigan to the Rose.

 

If Michigan goes, Florida slides to the Sugar and LSU plays in the Rose.

 

Pretty simple.

 

I forgot how they pick the teams again. Do they pick by bowls 2 at a time or does each bowl get one pick?

The Rose will get the 1st pick since they lost OSU. They'll pick USC.

 

If Florida goes, the Sugar picks next, and they'd take ND (we assume again). If not, then no one has a "special" pick.

 

The Sugar has the 1st at-large pick because it rotates each year. They would take ND (if Florida does not go, to set up the ND/Florida matchup), or they would take LSU (if Florida goes in which case they'd already have picked ND, setting up an ND/LSU matchup).

 

The Rose has the 2nd pick, and would take Michigan.

 

After that it's much less confusing. The Orange would pick Louisville to face Wake (who is locked into the Orange as ACC champ).

 

The Fiesta has the last pick and will take Boise State to play Oklahoma (who is locked into the Fiesta as Big 12 champs).

 

Hope I didn't make it too confusing.

 

Edit to fix something, I think.

 

No that makes sense, thanks. I didn't realize that the Orange was tied to the ACC or the Fiesta to the Big 12.

Edited December 3, 2006 by CuseCubFan69

[jjgman21]

Man Cuse. You are getting close to tin foil hat territory.

 

Big East just needs to start scheduling the games. That's all. There's no conspiracy.

 

When Bobby Bowden wanted FSU to get respect, what did he do? He started scheduling tougher games. Fresno State also has done the same, and has gained more national recognition.

 

It's not the Big East's fault they don't have the history on their side. But they still need to work their way up.

 

I guess I'm confused on how you think Miami and Kansas St are horrible teams? They have amoung the top 15 records over the last 15 years.

 

I just told you that I am not going to let you get away with selective facts.

 

KState

 

05 5-6

04 4-7

03 11-4

02 11-2

 

and in which of those years was KState scheduled?

 

Schedules are made years in advance. Whoops sorry, I was using facts again.

 

nice try, but I didn't ask you how things usually are done. I asked you when this game was actually scheduled. two years ago Louisville was scheduled to play Memphis, UAB, Southern Miss, and Houston this year, but it didn't exactly happen now did it.

 

doesn't really matter though. play some teams that are good the year that you actually play them, and maybe you'll get some respect.

[CuseCubFan69]

Man Cuse. You are getting close to tin foil hat territory.

 

Big East just needs to start scheduling the games. That's all. There's no conspiracy.

 

When Bobby Bowden wanted FSU to get respect, what did he do? He started scheduling tougher games. Fresno State also has done the same, and has gained more national recognition.

 

It's not the Big East's fault they don't have the history on their side. But they still need to work their way up.

 

I guess I'm confused on how you think Miami and Kansas St are horrible teams? They have amoung the top 15 records over the last 15 years.

 

I just told you that I am not going to let you get away with selective facts.

 

KState

 

05 5-6

04 4-7

03 11-4

02 11-2

 

and in which of those years was KState scheduled?

 

Schedules are made years in advance. Whoops sorry, I was using facts again.

 

nice try, but I didn't ask you how things usually are done. I asked you when this game was actually scheduled. two years ago Louisville was scheduled to play Memphis, UAB, Southern Miss, and Houston this year, but it didn't exactly happen now did it.

 

doesn't really matter though. play some teams that are good the year that you actually play them, and maybe you'll get some respect.

 

I'm still confused on who Wisconsin scheduled to get respect?

[Andy]

Actually I need to correct something. USC as Pac-10 champ is locked into the Rose Bowl, so the Rose's at-large pick to replace OSU would actually be either LSU or Michigan. That 2nd pick I put in there was erroneous.

[ConstableRabbit]

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true.

 

great. now you too. mmmk.

 

no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot.

 

 

 

 

why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board.

 

Yeah, I don't get that either. Ohio St. and Michigan are both really good, Wisconsin is good (that's three BCS teams right there). Are South Florida, Cincy, and Pittsburgh better than Penn St., Purdue, and Minnesota?

 

I don't think so.

 

I take it you win every bet you make since you always know what teams are better? God, UConn which finished in last....last beat Indiana in Indiana. Talk about not getting it.

 

I don't quite understand what you're getting at -- that UConn is a better overall team than Indiana? UConn lost to Syracuse (and I'm sure you're well aware of that team's talents). And Syracuse finished in last, btw.

 

After Ohio St, Michigan, and Wisconsin, I don't think the Big 10 is "crap". The Big East after Louisville, Rutgers, and West Virginia may not necessarily be crap, but I think that the Big 10 has much stronger teams.

 

I mean, I think Wisconsin could beat anyone in the Big East, and they're the Big 10's 3rd team. (You could look at rankings alone)

[NewUserName]

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true.

 

great. now you too. mmmk.

 

no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot.

 

 

 

 

why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board.

 

Yeah, I don't get that either. Ohio St. and Michigan are both really good, Wisconsin is good (that's three BCS teams right there). Are South Florida, Cincy, and Pittsburgh better than Penn St., Purdue, and Minnesota?

 

I don't think so.

 

It wasn't a comparison to the Big East. I was simply pointing out that the Big 10, after OSU, UM, and maybe Wisconsin (we'll find out after their bowl game), is just a bunch of crap. Obviously those three teams bring up the overall rating of the conference and they are what makes the Big 10 better than the ACC and Big 12, but the rest of the Big 10 isn't good this year.

 

With that statement, I'm not saying the Big East is better or worse than the Big 10.

 

 

Penn St is good. probably should be in Top 25. That leaves Minnesota, Iowa and Purdue in the middle with MSU, N'western, IU and UI at the rear. Minnesota, Iowa or Purdue would probably finish 4th in the Big East and could easily upset either Rutgers or WV. MSU would probably be bowl eligible if they were in the Big East.

 

Again I think the Big East doesnt get enough respect but I also dont think they are as good as the Big Ten or SEC.

[Andy]

I'm sure Ron Franklin and Co. love that they get to do games in the Hawaiian shirts.

 

When did that start anyway? Everyone who does games always looks professional - unless they're in Hawaii for any reason, then they get to wear Hawaiian shirts and stuff.

[CuseCubFan69]

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true.

 

great. now you too. mmmk.

 

no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot.

 

 

 

 

why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board.

 

Yeah, I don't get that either. Ohio St. and Michigan are both really good, Wisconsin is good (that's three BCS teams right there). Are South Florida, Cincy, and Pittsburgh better than Penn St., Purdue, and Minnesota?

 

I don't think so.

 

I take it you win every bet you make since you always know what teams are better? God, UConn which finished in last....last beat Indiana in Indiana. Talk about not getting it.

 

I don't quite understand what you're getting at -- that UConn is a better overall team than Indiana? UConn lost to Syracuse (and I'm sure you're well aware of that team's talents). And Syracuse finished in last, btw.

 

After Ohio St, Michigan, and Wisconsin, I don't think the Big 10 is "crap". The Big East after Louisville, Rutgers, and West Virginia may not necessarily be crap, but I think that the Big 10 has much stronger teams.

 

I mean, I think Wisconsin could beat anyone in the Big East, and they're the Big 10's 3rd team. (You could look at rankings alone)

 

Syracuse and UConn tied for last after UConn lost to Louisville. I think Louisville, Rutgers or WV could beat anyone in the Big 10. I admit Ohio State is the best team right now but I'd like to see them play.

[jjgman21]

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true.

 

great. now you too. mmmk.

 

no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot.

 

 

 

 

why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board.

 

I watch a lot of college football and I used to scout teams for the Varsity HS team and look for weaknesses and strengths. Honestly, if I didn't feel so strongly about the subject I wouldn't debate it so hard. 2 years ago I would agree with you. Last year the Big East was a competitive conference but not one of the top ones. This year they can compete with any conference in the country bar none but reputations preceed actual production in college football.

 

then I guess the operative words are "used to." your powers of observation must have taken a hit over the years. I just watched WVU-Rutgers and I watched parts of Rutgers-Louisville and I saw Rutgers-Cincinnati. the level of play is far below that of the power conferences.

 

those 200 pound linebackers for WVU trying to stop the Rutgers running back in a goal line situation is all you really need to know about the conference.

 

I never and let me say never said WV had a good defense and I also said at the beginning of the year that Louisville was the Best team in the big East. Opps, sorry, using more facts. You just keep on the rambling assumptions....carry on.

 

your use of facts is selective and often misleading, and always circular, so your attempt at sarcasm falls a little short. in fact, you really don't give any "facts" here other than what you claim you have said. I would love it if regurgitating things I said previously was all I needed to do to persuade. I guess it got us into a war in Iraq, but it's not going to persuade anyone here.

 

so you admit the second best team in the conference is incomplete and these teams don't play at the same level as the power conferences, but for some flimsy reason are going to keep up this nonsense that the Big East is just as good as the power conferences?

 

whatever man. I think this post proves your previous post as a bunch of BS. you don't really believe what you are saying or at a minimum know on a not too deep level that you are in fact full of crap.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm sure Ron Franklin and Co. love that they get to do games in the Hawaiian shirts.

 

When did that start anyway? Everyone who does games always looks professional - unless they're in Hawaii for any reason, then they get to wear Hawaiian shirts and stuff.

 

Brennen wanted to go to Syracuse but they turned him down because he had past problems and believe me, we needed a QB.

[CuseCubFan69]

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true.

 

great. now you too. mmmk.

 

no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot.

 

 

 

 

why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board.

 

I watch a lot of college football and I used to scout teams for the Varsity HS team and look for weaknesses and strengths. Honestly, if I didn't feel so strongly about the subject I wouldn't debate it so hard. 2 years ago I would agree with you. Last year the Big East was a competitive conference but not one of the top ones. This year they can compete with any conference in the country bar none but reputations preceed actual production in college football.

 

then I guess the operative words are "used to." your powers of observation must have taken a hit over the years. I just watched WVU-Rutgers and I watched parts of Rutgers-Louisville and I saw Rutgers-Cincinnati. the level of play is far below that of the power conferences.

 

those 200 pound linebackers for WVU trying to stop the Rutgers running back in a goal line situation is all you really need to know about the conference.

 

I never and let me say never said WV had a good defense and I also said at the beginning of the year that Louisville was the Best team in the big East. Opps, sorry, using more facts. You just keep on the rambling assumptions....carry on.

 

your use of facts is selective and often misleading, and always circular, so your attempt at sarcasm falls a little short. in fact, you really don't give any "facts" here other than what you claim you have said. I would love it if regurgitating things I said previously was all I needed to do to persuade. I guess it got us into a war in Iraq, but it's not going to persuade anyone here.

 

so you admit the second best team in the conference is incomplete and these teams don't play at the same level as the power conferences, but for some flimsy reason are going to keep up this nonsense that the Big East is just as good as the power conferences?

 

whatever man. I think this post proves your previous post as a bunch of BS. you don't really believe what you are saying or at a minimum know on a not too deep level that you are in fact full of crap.

 

What I said is WV is capable of beating Ohio St or Michigan. Defensively they tackle too high and get burned by doing so. But, they have a lot of speed offensively and that gives teams a lot of problems for matchups.

[jjgman21]

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true.

 

great. now you too. mmmk.

 

no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot.

 

 

 

 

why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board.

 

Yeah, I don't get that either. Ohio St. and Michigan are both really good, Wisconsin is good (that's three BCS teams right there). Are South Florida, Cincy, and Pittsburgh better than Penn St., Purdue, and Minnesota?

 

I don't think so.

 

I take it you win every bet you make since you always know what teams are better? God, UConn which finished in last....last beat Indiana in Indiana. Talk about not getting it.

 

I don't quite understand what you're getting at -- that UConn is a better overall team than Indiana? UConn lost to Syracuse (and I'm sure you're well aware of that team's talents). And Syracuse finished in last, btw.

 

After Ohio St, Michigan, and Wisconsin, I don't think the Big 10 is "crap". The Big East after Louisville, Rutgers, and West Virginia may not necessarily be crap, but I think that the Big 10 has much stronger teams.

 

I mean, I think Wisconsin could beat anyone in the Big East, and they're the Big 10's 3rd team. (You could look at rankings alone)

 

I'm giving up now. he keeps coming back to seven degrees from Kevin Bacon and waiving it as a flag of uncontrovertableness and whining that noone can prove anything so they shouldn't form an opinion that the Big East sucks.

 

lamest, most absurd argument I've ever been in. I am dumber for having engaged in it.

[jjgman21]

 

What I said is WV is capable of beating Ohio St or Michigan. Defensively they tackle too high and get burned by doing so. But, they have a lot of speed offensively and that gives teams a lot of problems for matchups.

 

ah, so they would get to Mike Hart quickly before they bounce off of him.

 

that's it. I'm done.

 

 

you sir, are absurd.

[Guest]

I think the losses USC took indicate mediocrity - great teams don't lose those two games.

 

Mediocre teams don't go 10-2

 

Bosie State? Wisconsin? Anyway, this is a silly argument. If you think USC is a great team more power to you. We won't get to see Ohio State embarass them so you can keep believing it.