Jacque Jones Trade Value

[AlwaysaCub]

While Jaque Jones has his on-base and lefty hitting problems, he still hit 27 homers last year and had a decently high average, of course with no walks. HOWEVER, he also only makes 4 million this year and 5 next year. If he had become a free agent this offseason instead of last offseason, he would get a LOT more, possibly even twice as much. His contract is far below market. To a team like the Blue Jays or Oakland, who compete on the low payroll and try to cut costs, they might see a lot of value in that. They might give you a guy who would be about to make a lot, like Vernon Wells, for him if they get that production on the cheap. Is that not true?

[Guest]

I'm leaning into the keep Jones if he can play CF camp. He is probably better than any of the options out there when you consider the potential player cost for a trade.

[nilodnayr]

While Jaque Jones has his on-base and lefty hitting problems, he still hit 27 homers last year and had a decently high average, of course with no walks. HOWEVER, he also only makes 4 million this year and 5 next year. If he had become a free agent this offseason instead of last offseason, he would get a LOT more, possibly even twice as much. His contract is far below market. To a team like the Blue Jays or Oakland, who compete on the low payroll and try to cut costs, they might see a lot of value in that. They might give you a guy who would be about to make a lot, like Vernon Wells, for him if they get that production on the cheap. Is that not true?

 

Neither team really has a need for him. And most likely JP will keep Wells until near the deadline when he will have all the leverage in trade talks. In theory Wells shouldnt have a ton of value since he is only under control through the year, however in practice it doesnt work out that way.

[soccer10k]

I'm leaning into the keep Jones if he can play CF camp. He is probably better than any of the options out there when you consider the potential player cost for a trade.

 

Same here.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Jones could potentially bring a nice return at the end of the offseason if a team gets shut out of other bat upgrades.

 

Sign Schmidt and Lugo, deal Izturis+Ohman for Westbrook.

 

Soriano

Lugo

Lee

Ramirez

Barrett

Murton

Jones/Pie

DeRosa

 

Zambrano/Schmidt/Hill/Westbrook/Miller or Prior

[EricG]

I say give each Soriano, Jones and Murton some time in CF during spring training see if they can handle it and maybe trade Jones for some pitching once Pie is ready at the deadline.

[Guest]

Jones could potentially bring a nice return at the end of the offseason if a team gets shut out of other bat upgrades.

 

Sign Schmidt and Lugo, deal Izturis+Ohman for Westbrook.

 

Soriano

Lugo

Lee

Ramirez

Barrett

Murton

Jones/Pie

DeRosa

 

Zambrano/Schmidt/Hill/Westbrook/Miller or Prior

 

I don't think I want to see Pie in the lineup to start the year. I guess if Lugo displaces Izturis . . . the pressure is going to be hellacious.

[Balsa]

Trade him to the poor, desperate team that loses out in the Carlos Lee bidding, and has no other options for a power bat.

 

I don't want him playing at all in our OF, SELL HIGH!!!

[NorthsideAvenger]

Trade him to the poor, desperate team that loses out in the Carlos Lee bidding, and has no other options for a power bat.

 

I don't want him playing at all in our OF, SELL HIGH!!!

 

I, for one, think unless the Cubs lands a QUALITY lefty bat for the lineup, I think Jones has to be kept. I am not keen on an ALL RIGHT HANDED hitting lineup, unless all 8 hitters at either at the above-average to great at their position. Beisdes....I think the Cubs could get a better deal for Jones after 07 when he has only ONE YR LEFT on his deal.

[biittner77]

Compared to the money that some other players are getting, Jones looks pretty cost effective at ~ $5 million/per. That, coupled with some good traditional stats, should make his value pretty high.

 

I think the Cubs could get a better deal for Jones after 07 when he has only ONE YR LEFT on his deal.

 

Why would a team pay more for a one year rental than they would for a player they can control for two seasons?

[Wheelimus]

I think I've officially changed my mind on Jacque and want to keep him around to play center. Bruce says we aren't getting Drew, so it's either Jacque, Matthews, or trade for Wells.

 

2006 OPS

 

Jacque - 833

Matthews - 866

Wells - 899

 

The difference isn't worth it when you consider a) there's no proof that Matthews or Wells will replicate that, b) Jacque only costs us 2/9 at this point, and c) you can easily get the CF production up to the high 800's if you platoon him.

 

Jonny Gomes of the Devil Rays. So far in his big league career, he's put up a .946 OPS against lefties. .764 against righties. So not good, but not worthless off the bench, a .446 slugging percentage. What do you think the Devil Rays would ask for in return?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm only in favor of trading Jacque if it brings an upgrade, either in what we get in return for Jacque or in a player we sign or trade for to take his place.

 

Right now, I don't see that happening, so we are likely better off keeping him.

[soapy]

I'm only in favor of trading Jacque if it brings an upgrade, either in what we get in return for Jacque or in a player we sign or trade for to take his place.

 

Right now, I don't see that happening, so we are likely better off keeping him.

What if the upgrade is in the pitching department? What if Jones can be traded or a solid SP? I'd do that.

 

Jones' 2006 would like nice in CF, but I wouldn't bet on him repeating that performance. I'd consider selling high (but not just dumping him).

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm only in favor of trading Jacque if it brings an upgrade, either in what we get in return for Jacque or in a player we sign or trade for to take his place.

 

Right now, I don't see that happening, so we are likely better off keeping him.

What if the upgrade is in the pitching department? What if Jones can be traded or a solid SP? I'd do that.

 

Jones' 2006 would like nice in CF, but I wouldn't bet on him repeating that performance. I'd consider selling high (but not just dumping him).

 

I said if it brings in an upgrade, I'd do it. I just don't see that deal out there right now.

 

Yes, if Jones could be traded for a solid SP, I'd do the deal.

[Warpticon]

I think I've officially changed my mind on Jacque and want to keep him around to play center. Bruce says we aren't getting Drew, so it's either Jacque, Matthews, or trade for Wells.

 

2006 OPS

 

Jacque - 833

Matthews - 866

Wells - 899

 

The difference isn't worth it when you consider a) there's no proof that Matthews or Wells will replicate that, b) Jacque only costs us 2/9 at this point, and c) you can easily get the CF production up to the high 800's if you platoon him.

 

Jonny Gomes of the Devil Rays. So far in his big league career, he's put up a .946 OPS against lefties. .764 against righties. So not good, but not worthless off the bench, a .446 slugging percentage. What do you think the Devil Rays would ask for in return?

 

Gomes is far too good to be a bench player, and his limited numbers are tainted by playing hurt for most of last season. He'd be quite expensive.

[TheDude]

I've been saying all offseason that Jones is a bargain worth keeping, even with regression from his career year numbers. Knowing the market is exploding, having Jones for 2/9 is fantastic.

 

Give him a rest against lefty pitching now and again, letting him beat up on righties, and he'll have another career year.

[NoDak]

I'm only in favor of trading Jacque if it brings an upgrade, either in what we get in return for Jacque or in a player we sign or trade for to take his place.

 

Right now, I don't see that happening, so we are likely better off keeping him.

 

This is the eternal rationale---"I am willing to trade player x if it brings and upgrade."

 

I would argue that for every player in baseball. I bet if they could get an upgrade the Phillies would gladly part with Ryan Howard (I would bet that a deal of Pujols AND Carpenter would turn the trick nicely). There is no news in "he is available for an upgrade." Part of the trick is to be willing to sometimes take a loss on a player to save payroll to offset another players increase in salary, or possibly fill a gap in the current roster. While the new player may not be as good the end result is higher is a far better rationale, in my opinion.

 

I am not so sure that Jones numbers will not be close to the same. His numbers last year were not hugely different than his career averages. While we may see a decline in his numbers I don't foresee a return to his 2005 production.

[CP_414]

Jones could potentially bring a nice return at the end of the offseason if a team gets shut out of other bat upgrades.

 

Sign Schmidt and Lugo, deal Izturis+Ohman for Westbrook.

 

Soriano

Lugo

Lee

Ramirez

Barrett

Murton

Jones/Pie

DeRosa

 

Zambrano/Schmidt/Hill/Westbrook/Miller or Prior

 

Agreed. I would want the exact same team.

[HoopsCubs]

While Jaque Jones has his on-base and lefty hitting problems, he still hit 27 homers last year and had a decently high average, of course with no walks. HOWEVER, he also only makes 4 million this year and 5 next year. If he had become a free agent this offseason instead of last offseason, he would get a LOT more, possibly even twice as much. His contract is far below market. To a team like the Blue Jays or Oakland, who compete on the low payroll and try to cut costs, they might see a lot of value in that. They might give you a guy who would be about to make a lot, like Vernon Wells, for him if they get that production on the cheap. Is that not true?

 

If it was up to me, I'd focus on the Giants, Dodgers, Padres, Astros and Red Sox - they all seem to be in the market for a corner outfielder. Maybe the Angels too if they decide to DH Vlad or Garret full time.

[erik316wttn]

While there are still other bats out there, Jones' value isn't all that high. I think we should wait till January or February and then talk with teams that were looking for an OF bat who got shut out in the FA market. I think his value will be highest then.

[BigbadB]

I have to admit that I was very upset with the Jacque signing last year. I thought it would really handcuff the team in the coming years. I'm happy to say I was completely wrong about that.

 

The Cubs are sitting pretty with Jones at this point. They can keep him or they can move him. If they elect to move him, he should net a really nice return. If GMJ is going to get 11-13m a year, what team wouldn't rather trade for Jones at 4-5m?

 

The Cubs have some trade chips now. Jones, Izturis, Barrett, bullpen arms and pitching prospects. If they can't get what is needed on the FA market, they should be able to upgrade through trades.

[TheDude]

While there are still other bats out there, Jones' value isn't all that high. I think we should wait till January or February and then talk with teams that were looking for an OF bat who got shut out in the FA market. I think his value will be highest then.

 

Can you explain why you feel this way? In a market where Pierre gets 10 million, why do you think Jones value at 4 or 5 a year 'isn't all that high'?

 

The Cubs can market his mainstream numbers. He was the 3rd best producing RF in the NL last year.

[goonys evil twin]

While there are still other bats out there, Jones' value isn't all that high. I think we should wait till January or February and then talk with teams that were looking for an OF bat who got shut out in the FA market. I think his value will be highest then.

 

Can you explain why you feel this way? In a market where Pierre gets 10 million, why do you think Jones value at 4 or 5 a year 'isn't all that high'?

 

The Cubs can market his mainstream numbers. He was the 3rd best producing RF in the NL last year.

 

I think he's saying that while there are still free agent bats, teams would prefer to sign those guys than trade for somebody like Jones. But if reports are true that GMj is getting $10m+, then all sanity has left the building and Jones could be a huge trading chip. Murton, and his many years of pre-free agency would be even higher though.

[WrigleyField 22]

Whats nice is that Jones is affordable enough for a small market team, but his small salary also works nicely for larger market teams who need a cheap fix in one spot so they can focus on another.

 

I wouldn't expect a top prospect, but I'm sure there are a number of favorable deals that could be worked out. Are there any teams with a decent SS they are looking to dump in favor of a younger player?

 

There are certainly possibilities, though I would let the FA field play itself out. If this happens I see it as a deal occuring in 2007.

[MPrior]

If Jones can get us a good starting pitcher (#2 to an above-average #3 type), then do it. We need the starting pitching badly. Otherwise, we're probably better off keeping him.