Rogers: Cubs, Red Sox showing most interest in Drew

[ShawonOmeter12]

just out of curiosity what do you guys think 4 million buys in the market today? this is in context to derosa, i dont think he will set the world on fire but i think he will prove to be a pretty good player for 4 million. look what jose valentin, helms, and spiezio got, sad to say this is the market so i don't think he over paid for him. what are your thoughts?

[Guest]

Plus, if Hendry sat on his hands waiting to spend all the dough on top free agents and not fixing the rest of the team, the top FA's might not see the team as a place to sign if they aren't serious about being competitive.

 

So a top free agent is going to sign because the cubs signed DeRosa? doubtful.

 

I don't know if Hendry has a plan in place and is fitting the pieces together. I sure hope so. Hard to give him the benefit of the doubt after the last two offseasons though. I have said all along that the DeRosa move has to be put in context. Hendry definitely overpaid and I'm just praying he isn't the starting 2b.

 

An argument could probably be made that if DeRosa doesn't start, then he's even more overpaid and it's an even worse deal.......from a financial perspective.

 

true - but if the team wins I don't care. there are several viewpoints that could make this move better depending what happens next though. if signing DeRosa enables Hendry to make the big moves, then perhaps overpaying DeRosa to get the deal done will make sense. Kind of like paying the posting fee for a japanese player - you spend the money on DeRosa to land bigger fish.

[Soriano12]

let the man do his job and wait for the completed product before you try and have his head on a pike.

 

Why? If people have gribes with Hendry's moves they have every right to voice thier displeasures.

Right, and I have absolutely no problem with that, but shouldn't we at least wait until the bad thing we are complaining about has actually happened before we start complaining about it?

 

In my original post I stated that basically. if the highest bid was 12/season, i hoped we could offer more to secure Drew.

 

Everything else snowballed from there.

[CubsWin]

i agree, this has been my point all along. pretty much hendry is a sore subject, those who hate him would be upset if he traded augie ojeda for babe ruth. never going to please all, just get us back to the playoffs and you will please me jim!

 

Dude, you offer no argument to defend Hendry other than "Just leave him alone". At least Cubswin makes a valid argument to deflect the Hendry criticism.

Well, thank you, Disgruntled. I take back all things I said about you.

 

Just kidding, I never really said anything...

[Neuby]

Former Red Sox shortstop Alex Gonzalez has received a three-year $15 million deal from an undisclosed team.

 

Major League sources indicate that the team could be either the Chicago White Sox, who are looking for an alternative to Juan Uribe, or the Cincinnati Reds. The Red Sox did not make an offer, nor did the Toronto Blue Jays, who also covet Gonzalez.

 

White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen has always admired Gonzalez' glove and with a potent lineup would be able to hide his offensive shortcomings.

 

The Red Sox, along with the Chicago Cubs, have strong interest in Julio Lugo, who once played for Lou Piniella, now the Cubs manager, in Tampa Bay. Lugo will not be re-signed by the LA Dodgers, who acquired him at the trading deadline

 

Wow if that hack can get a three year 5 million dollar out of someone he makes Derosa look like a straight up steal. Also if some team grabs up Gonzo hopefully the Red Sox will bite on Izturiz.

[Soriano12]

just out of curiosity what do you guys think 4 million buys in the market today? this is in context to derosa, i dont think he will set the world on fire but i think he will prove to be a pretty good player for 4 million. look what jose valentin, helms, and spiezio got, sad to say this is the market so i don't think he over paid for him. what are your thoughts?

 

4 Million doesn't get you much in today's market(in terms of a single player)

 

However an extra 4 million can easily make or break securing a premier free agent.

[jjgman21]

The Cubs got Lee because Baltimore couldn't sign him to an extension.

 

that cuts both ways. you can use it to discredit Hendry, but you also have to use the fact that he was able to get the deal done and hence consummate the trade as something that he should be credited for.

 

Not trying to use it for either purpose, it's relevant to what was being discussed though.

 

so is what I said though. I think saying he only got Lee because of Baltimore's failings is giving half the story. somehow, someway, he succeeded where other GMs failed.

 

the same goes for Aramis. sure, any team could have landed him in a salary dump. but LA, Seattle, Philly, and the Yankees all could have used a third baseman in the stretch run in 2003, yet none of them swung the deal.

 

I'm nearly out of defending the guy, but like many things baseball, the bashing goes to illogical extremes.

[JeffH]

if signing DeRosa enables Hendry to make the big moves, then perhaps overpaying DeRosa to get the deal done will make sense. Kind of like paying the posting fee for a japanese player - you spend the money on DeRosa to land bigger fish.

 

I pray to heaven that Jim Hendry doesn't think like this.

 

Isn't this why we signed Neifi last winter - to grease the skids with Kinzer on Furcal?

 

That worked brilliantly.

[Guest]

just out of curiosity what do you guys think 4 million buys in the market today? this is in context to derosa, i dont think he will set the world on fire but i think he will prove to be a pretty good player for 4 million. look what jose valentin, helms, and spiezio got, sad to say this is the market so i don't think he over paid for him. what are your thoughts?

 

didn't spiezio get half of what DeRosa got? To me its four million more to a big contract (actually 13 million) so what 4 million will get is irrelevant.

[Guest]

if signing DeRosa enables Hendry to make the big moves, then perhaps overpaying DeRosa to get the deal done will make sense. Kind of like paying the posting fee for a japanese player - you spend the money on DeRosa to land bigger fish.

 

I pray to heaven that Jim Hendry doesn't think like this.

 

Isn't this why we signed Neifi last winter - to grease the skids with Kinzer on Furcal?

 

That worked brilliantly.

 

what I mean is DeRosa gives him flexibility and a backup plan.

[CubsWin]

Former Red Sox shortstop Alex Gonzalez has received a three-year $15 million deal from an undisclosed team.

 

Major League sources indicate that the team could be either the Chicago White Sox, who are looking for an alternative to Juan Uribe, or the Cincinnati Reds. The Red Sox did not make an offer, nor did the Toronto Blue Jays, who also covet Gonzalez.

 

White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen has always admired Gonzalez' glove and with a potent lineup would be able to hide his offensive shortcomings.

 

The Red Sox, along with the Chicago Cubs, have strong interest in Julio Lugo, who once played for Lou Piniella, now the Cubs manager, in Tampa Bay. Lugo will not be re-signed by the LA Dodgers, who acquired him at the trading deadline

 

Wow if that hack can get a three year 5 million dollar out of someone he makes Derosa look like a straight up steal. Also if some team grabs up Gonzo hopefully the Red Sox will bite on Izturiz.

3 years, 15 million for Alex Gonzalez? Wow.

 

If that's an accurate report, maybe Hendry truly was ahead of the curve with the DeRosa signing. I'll wait for confirmation of the offer first though. If only those criticizing the DeRosa contract had waited to see what the market was like before they commented.

 

Eh, if they had, it wouldn't have been half as exciting around here that day. :D

[Soriano12]

Which Alex G is that article refering to?

[jjgman21]

Former Red Sox shortstop Alex Gonzalez has received a three-year $15 million deal from an undisclosed team.

 

Major League sources indicate that the team could be either the Chicago White Sox, who are looking for an alternative to Juan Uribe, or the Cincinnati Reds. The Red Sox did not make an offer, nor did the Toronto Blue Jays, who also covet Gonzalez.

 

White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen has always admired Gonzalez' glove and with a potent lineup would be able to hide his offensive shortcomings.

 

The Red Sox, along with the Chicago Cubs, have strong interest in Julio Lugo, who once played for Lou Piniella, now the Cubs manager, in Tampa Bay. Lugo will not be re-signed by the LA Dodgers, who acquired him at the trading deadline

 

Wow if that hack can get a three year 5 million dollar out of someone he makes Derosa look like a straight up steal. Also if some team grabs up Gonzo hopefully the Red Sox will bite on Izturiz.

3 years, 15 million for Alex Gonzalez? Wow.

 

If that's an accurate report, maybe Hendry truly was ahead of the curve with the DeRosa signing. I'll wait for confirmation of the offer first though. If only those criticizing the DeRosa contract had waited to see what the market was like before they commented.

 

Eh, if they had, it wouldn't have been half as exciting around here that day. :D

 

enough to give one unrealistic hopes that there is a market for Izturis out there somewhere.

[jjgman21]

Which Alex G is that article refering to?

 

I have to assume the Florida-Boston, not the Toronto-Chicago-Puerto Rico.

[CubsWin]

Former Red Sox shortstop Alex Gonzalez has received a three-year $15 million deal from an undisclosed team.

 

Major League sources indicate that the team could be either the Chicago White Sox, who are looking for an alternative to Juan Uribe, or the Cincinnati Reds. The Red Sox did not make an offer, nor did the Toronto Blue Jays, who also covet Gonzalez.

 

White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen has always admired Gonzalez' glove and with a potent lineup would be able to hide his offensive shortcomings.

 

The Red Sox, along with the Chicago Cubs, have strong interest in Julio Lugo, who once played for Lou Piniella, now the Cubs manager, in Tampa Bay. Lugo will not be re-signed by the LA Dodgers, who acquired him at the trading deadline

 

Wow if that hack can get a three year 5 million dollar out of someone he makes Derosa look like a straight up steal. Also if some team grabs up Gonzo hopefully the Red Sox will bite on Izturiz.

3 years, 15 million for Alex Gonzalez? Wow.

 

If that's an accurate report, maybe Hendry truly was ahead of the curve with the DeRosa signing. I'll wait for confirmation of the offer first though. If only those criticizing the DeRosa contract had waited to see what the market was like before they commented.

 

Eh, if they had, it wouldn't have been half as exciting around here that day. :D

 

enough to give one unrealistic hopes that there is a market for Izturis out there somewhere.

Yeah, no kidding...

[CubsWin]

Which Alex G is that article refering to?

 

I have to assume the Florida-Boston, not the Toronto-Chicago-Puerto Rico.

You are correct, sir, yeessss.

[CubColtPacer]

The Cubs got Lee because Baltimore couldn't sign him to an extension.

 

that cuts both ways. you can use it to discredit Hendry, but you also have to use the fact that he was able to get the deal done and hence consummate the trade as something that he should be credited for.

 

Not trying to use it for either purpose, it's relevant to what was being discussed though.

 

so is what I said though. I think saying he only got Lee because of Baltimore's failings is giving half the story. somehow, someway, he succeeded where other GMs failed.

 

the same goes for Aramis. sure, any team could have landed him in a salary dump. but LA, Seattle, Philly, and the Yankees all could have used a third baseman in the stretch run in 2003, yet none of them swung the deal.

 

I'm nearly out of defending the guy, but like many things baseball, the bashing goes to illogical extremes.

 

Just remember also that the consensus around baseball was that the Cubs should go out and get Lowell, not Ramirez during the summer of 2003. That wouldn't have worked out well for us at all.

 

Hendry's opponents should have no need to try to downgrade his sucesses. They are there, and he did have several successful moves early-besides, there is plenty of ammo for his failures recently anyway that can be used that there really is no need to try to downgrade his success stories. I think most people would agree that the offseasons before 2005 and 2006 were not good to say the least. For some, the good work he did in 2003 and into the season in 2004 still gives him a little bit of grace going into this offseason (although for people like me who has some grace for him, one more terrible offseason and that is completely out the window). Others think those two offseasons should be enough to get him fired. I guess we'll see if some faith is restored in him by all in the next couple months, or if more people join the fire him camp.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Cubs got Lee because Baltimore couldn't sign him to an extension.

 

that cuts both ways. you can use it to discredit Hendry, but you also have to use the fact that he was able to get the deal done and hence consummate the trade as something that he should be credited for.

 

Not trying to use it for either purpose, it's relevant to what was being discussed though.

 

so is what I said though. I think saying he only got Lee because of Baltimore's failings is giving half the story. somehow, someway, he succeeded where other GMs failed.

 

the same goes for Aramis. sure, any team could have landed him in a salary dump. but LA, Seattle, Philly, and the Yankees all could have used a third baseman in the stretch run in 2003, yet none of them swung the deal.

 

I'm nearly out of defending the guy, but like many things baseball, the bashing goes to illogical extremes.

 

Okay. I wasn't saying anything in opposition to anybody, just putting the information out there.

[Soriano12]

Others think those two offseasons should be enough to get him fired.

It's been a pretty bad two offseasons.

[treebird]

If that's an accurate report, maybe Hendry truly was ahead of the curve with the DeRosa signing. I'll wait for confirmation of the offer first though. If only those criticizing the DeRosa contract had waited to see what the market was like before they commented.

 

Eh, if they had, it wouldn't have been half as exciting around here that day. :D

 

A large portion of the problem with the DeRosa deal is the fact that Hendry thinks it's a good idea for him to come be our second baseman.

[Guest]

The Cubs got Lee because Baltimore couldn't sign him to an extension.

 

that cuts both ways. you can use it to discredit Hendry, but you also have to use the fact that he was able to get the deal done and hence consummate the trade as something that he should be credited for.

 

Not trying to use it for either purpose, it's relevant to what was being discussed though.

 

so is what I said though. I think saying he only got Lee because of Baltimore's failings is giving half the story. somehow, someway, he succeeded where other GMs failed.

 

the same goes for Aramis. sure, any team could have landed him in a salary dump. but LA, Seattle, Philly, and the Yankees all could have used a third baseman in the stretch run in 2003, yet none of them swung the deal.

 

I'm nearly out of defending the guy, but like many things baseball, the bashing goes to illogical extremes.

 

Just remember also that the consensus around baseball was that the Cubs should go out and get Lowell, not Ramirez during the summer of 2003. That wouldn't have worked out well for us at all.

 

Hendry's opponents should have no need to try to downgrade his sucesses. They are there, and he did have several successful moves early-besides, there is plenty of ammo for his failures recently anyway that can be used that there really is no need to try to downgrade his success stories. I think most people would agree that the offseasons before 2005 and 2006 were not good to say the least. For some, the good work he did in 2003 and into the season in 2004 still gives him a little bit of grace going into this offseason (although for people like me who has some grace for him, one more terrible offseason and that is completely out the window). Others think those two offseasons should be enough to get him fired. I guess we'll see if some faith is restored in him by all in the next couple months, or if more people join the fire him camp.

 

Well, if he had made reasonable moves that didn't pan out, that would be one thing. he made moves that were universally panned prior to conversations very similar to this one, on this board. the moves he made gave the cubs no chance to succeed.

[Laura]

Ken Rosenthal / Fox Sports[/url]"] The Red Sox are interested in free agent J.D. Drew, but one National League executive who knows Drew thinks the outfielder would be a poor fit in the high-pressure Boston environment.

 

"If there ever was a person who wasn't meant to be in New York or Boston, it's J.D. Drew," the exec says. "I don't think he can take the catcalls that he'll get in those places.

 

"J.D. is a very talented guy, but he has a lot of nothing at-bats, then walks back to the dugout like he could care less. I truly don't think that's the case. But if you're paying $75 a seat and look him in the eye and don't believe he cares, you're going to wear him out."

 

The Cubs also would be interested in Drew if they failed to sign free-agent outfielder Alfonso Soriano, but the executive says that Drew might fit best in a city like Houston.

 

The Astros reportedly have made offers to Soriano and free-agent left fielder Carlos Lee.

[CubColtPacer]

If that's an accurate report, maybe Hendry truly was ahead of the curve with the DeRosa signing. I'll wait for confirmation of the offer first though. If only those criticizing the DeRosa contract had waited to see what the market was like before they commented.

 

Eh, if they had, it wouldn't have been half as exciting around here that day. :D

 

A large portion of the problem with the DeRosa deal is the fact that Hendry thinks it's a good idea for him to come be our second baseman.

 

It might be-it's not like second basemen hit well anyway. The median qualified second baseman last year had a .744 OPS. For DeRosa to acheive that, he can drop 70 points from last year. Even with last year probably being a career year, his new batting approach will probably make him an average second baseman or better.

[CubsWin]

If that's an accurate report, maybe Hendry truly was ahead of the curve with the DeRosa signing. I'll wait for confirmation of the offer first though. If only those criticizing the DeRosa contract had waited to see what the market was like before they commented.

 

Eh, if they had, it wouldn't have been half as exciting around here that day. :D

 

A large portion of the problem with the DeRosa deal is the fact that Hendry thinks it's a good idea for him to come be our second baseman.

And how does the argument against DeRosa being the starting 2B so completely and thoroughly destroy and outweigh the argument for him starting at 2B?

 

The jury is out. There are arguments for both sides. From where I sit, that is a wait-and-see issue.

[imb]

For the record, I now like the DeRosa signing, and if Drew signs with Boston, especially for 4/48 and especially this early (he won't), then I won't be upset with Hendry. I mean, really, if you're JD Drew (I feel like Joe Theisman) who do you want to play for, a team that should be at least a playoff threat for the duration of his contract, or the Cubs? Probably option A, and if he wants to go there, maybe no amount of Hendry's money can change his mind.