Rogers: Cubs, Red Sox showing most interest in Drew

[Soriano12]

2. DeRosa is a much better bet to be good then Theriot.

 

uhhhh...no.

 

Why?

 

Outside of his anomoly of a season last year in a hitters paradise, DeRosa was never really good.

 

I know it was a small sample size, but Theriot was pretty damn good last year when he got a chance. Theriot also showed a great approach at the plate from what I saw, so I don't see him entering a Cedeno-like slump.

 

You realize you are arguing against yourself. DeRosa had a good year, but yeah your realize Theroit had sort of a great part of a year. It's silly. You say you like Theroits approach. How many at bats did you watch Derosa bat this year? Just curious.

 

Maybe once or twice I saw DeRosa. You do realizing that I am arguing that I want Theriot at 300K vs DeRosa at 4 million.

 

Derosa over 162 games will not be heads and shoulders better than Theriot over 162 games.

[A New Era]

But JH can't MAKE people play here, even if his offer is better than others.

 

When have the Cubs ever been a top bidder for a player? I'd like to give Hendry the benefit of the doubt, but too often he is just a day late and dollar short.

 

Do we know how much JH offered or if he is still waiting to meet with him?

[Shavo]

2. DeRosa is a much better bet to be good then Theriot.

 

uhhhh...no.

 

Why?

 

Outside of his anomoly of a season last year in a hitters paradise, DeRosa was never really good.

 

I know it was a small sample size, but Theriot was pretty damn good last year when he got a chance. Theriot also showed a great approach at the plate from what I saw, so I don't see him entering a Cedeno-like slump.

 

Fact is that if Theriot was really all that good of a player, would Jim have felt the need to get DeRosa? Probably not. Theriot isn't likely to hit 100+ points above his average minor league slugging again.

 

DeRosa has been pretty good since changing his swing , has done it for a full season, and can play pretty much anywere on the field. He does more for the team then Theriot. Theriot will still get his chances anyway, unless he is horrible in the spring.

[A New Era]

2. DeRosa is a much better bet to be good then Theriot.

 

uhhhh...no.

 

Why?

 

Outside of his anomoly of a season last year in a hitters paradise, DeRosa was never really good.

 

I know it was a small sample size, but Theriot was pretty damn good last year when he got a chance. Theriot also showed a great approach at the plate from what I saw, so I don't see him entering a Cedeno-like slump.

 

You realize you are arguing against yourself. DeRosa had a good year, but yeah your realize Theroit had sort of a great part of a year. It's silly. You say you like Theroits approach. How many at bats did you watch Derosa bat this year? Just curious.

 

Maybe once or twice I saw DeRosa. You do realizing that I am arguing that I want Theriot at 300K vs DeRosa at 4 million.

 

Derosa over 162 games will not be heads and shoulders better than Theriot over 162 games.

 

Well I want Derosa at second and Theroit at SS. So I can't argue against Theroit. However, I think it was blindsighted of you to favor Theroit in his approach when neither of us know how much DeRosa's stance has changed.

[Soriano12]

But JH can't MAKE people play here, even if his offer is better than others.

 

When have the Cubs ever been a top bidder for a player? I'd like to give Hendry the benefit of the doubt, but too often he is just a day late and dollar short.

 

Do we know how much JH offered or if he is still waiting to meet with him?

 

No. But I stated that it will be pathetic if we can't match 12/season.

 

Which is true. If we can't match that it will be terrible.

[Soriano12]

Fact is that if Theriot was really all that good of a player, would Jim have felt the need to get DeRosa?

 

This is the same guy that traded Ricky Nolasco for slappy.

[Cubzfan64]

But JH can't MAKE people play here, even if his offer is better than others.

 

When have the Cubs ever been a top bidder for a player? I'd like to give Hendry the benefit of the doubt, but too often he is just a day late and dollar short.

 

In almost every case I don't think anyone besides the player, agent and GM knows what exactly is on the table as far as deals are concerned. It's pretty much guaranteed that nobody on any forum knows for certain how many times Hendry has offered the highest bid and when he hasn't.

 

My real disagreement with Hendry doesn't revolve around contract offers and such, it's more focused on the fact that I don't like how he has put together the full team - I don't think he's done a good job at all of balancing OBP with power with speed with defense etc... The last few years we've just had too many guys with the same approach at the plate - that's obviously the approach Hendry was looking for because most of those guys already had that approach before they got here.

 

I'm happy we re-signed ARam and I think Kerry was a decent signing for the price - I'm not happy with the DeRosa signing however as I think there were better options once again to help balance the team.

 

I'm hoping to see more things I like happen before spring training, but past history doesn't bode well for my expectations.

[Soriano12]

However, I think it was blindsighted of you to favor Theroit in his approach when neither of us know how much DeRosa's stance has changed.

 

Salaries being equal, I'd probably take DeRosa over Theriot. But again, I really think that 3+ mill could be better spent.

[Guest]

I don't put much stock in "close to signings." - especially when Boras is involved.

[Shavo]

Fact is that if Theriot was really all that good of a player, would Jim have felt the need to get DeRosa?

 

This is the same guy that traded Ricky Nolasco for slappy.

 

This is the same guy that traded Choi for Lee.

 

This is the same guy that traded ... whoever for Ramirez.

 

However, I think it was blindsighted of you to favor Theroit in his approach when neither of us know how much DeRosa's stance has changed.

 

Salaries being equal, I'd probably take DeRosa over Theriot. But again, I really think that 3+ mill could be better spent.

 

How? 3 mill doesn't get much in this market.

[CubinNY]

This is the same guy that traded Ricky Nolasco for slappy.

 

This is the same guy that traded Choi for Lee.

 

This is the same guy that traded ... whoever for Ramirez.

 

Really, this is a tired argument. Lee and Aramis where pure salary dumps that fell into Hendry's lap.

 

Lee was actually traded to Baltimore, but a long term deal couldn't be worked out.

 

Aramis was getting too expensive for the Pirates.

 

I have to ask you, who wouldn't have made those trade? That is the question.

[Jon]

How? 3 mill doesn't get much in this market.

$3 million a year can make a huge difference between signing a top free agent and losing out.

[Soriano12]

How? 3 mill doesn't get much in this market.

 

I have stated earlier my alternative to DeRosa's salary.

[Guest]

How? 3 mill doesn't get much in this market.

 

Does $9 million? Say spread over four years that makes an offer to Drew go from $12 per to $14.25 million per. Or nearly adds another year at $12 million.

[cubweiser03]

So he's only getting $1M more a year and extra year? That doesnt seem like much in this market. I believe it when it see it. And if i see it, it has become Soriano or bust realllllly quick.

[bhogg]

The awful Jim Hendry asleep at the wheel once again.

 

 

Maybe JD Drew doesn't want to play for the Cubs? Maybe he thinks the organization is a freaking joke.

 

He's rich beyond most of our wildest dreams.

 

 

I suppose hendy's a bum because he hasn't cured cancer either?

 

 

I know I'll catch nine kinds of hell from some of you, but it's cool. I'm just saying that as long as Hendry is making an honest run at these guys, that is all we can ask. He can't force anyone to sign on the dotted line.

[Soriano12]

I know I'll catch nine kinds of hell from some of you, but it's cool. I'm just saying that as long as Hendry is making an honest run at these guys, that is all we can ask. He can't force anyone to sign on the dotted line.

 

See, I expect more from a major league GM. Anyone given the title of GM can make an honest run at a player. I want an agressive GM that goes out and gets these deals done.(see Dave Dombrowsi)

[cubweiser03]

The awful Jim Hendry asleep at the wheel once again.

 

 

Maybe JD Drew doesn't want to play for the Cubs? Maybe he thinks the organization is a freaking joke.

 

He's rich beyond most of our wildest dreams.

 

 

I suppose hendy's a bum because he hasn't cured cancer either?

 

 

I know I'll catch nine kinds of hell from some of you, but it's cool. I'm just saying that as long as Hendry is making an honest run at these guys, that is all we can ask. He can't force anyone to sign on the dotted line.

 

Im not disagreeing with your point because i dont have first hand knowledge, but JD has always been about he $ since we was drafted. This would be a big change in his MO.

[ShawonOmeter12]

This is the same guy that traded Ricky Nolasco for slappy.

 

This is the same guy that traded Choi for Lee.

 

This is the same guy that traded ... whoever for Ramirez.

 

Really, this is a tired argument. Lee and Aramis where pure salary dumps that fell into Hendry's lap.

 

Lee was actually traded to Baltimore, but a long term deal couldn't be worked out.

 

Aramis was getting too expensive for the Pirates.

 

I have to ask you, who wouldn't have made those trade? That is the question.

 

he sure did a hell of a job getting rid of hundley. to be honest if you hate hendry you use the slary dump argument, if you like him you say it is a good move. my opinion is that even if it was a salary dump hendry sure as hell stepped up and got them didnt he? i am sure every team in baseball would take lee or aramis so please don't play the " he only got them because of money" game, point is he got them so be happy and for once give the man some credit. i dont agree with all his moves but i think his positives out weigh the negatives. okay i feel better now, feel free to tear into me!

[CubinNY]

The awful Jim Hendry asleep at the wheel once again.

 

 

Maybe JD Drew doesn't want to play for the Cubs? Maybe he thinks the organization is a freaking joke.

 

He's rich beyond most of our wildest dreams.

 

 

I suppose hendy's a bum because he hasn't cured cancer either?

 

 

I know I'll catch nine kinds of hell from some of you, but it's cool. I'm just saying that as long as Hendry is making an honest run at these guys, that is all we can ask. He can't force anyone to sign on the dotted line.

 

All of that is true. However, aside from a one sentence blurb by the notoriously uninformed Phil Rogers, what evidence is there that the Cubs are seriously in pursuit of Drew?

 

We'll all have to wait and see. But even if Drew does sign that deal with Boston, it doesn't mean that Hendry was "asleep". We won't know.

[bhogg]

I know I'll catch nine kinds of hell from some of you, but it's cool. I'm just saying that as long as Hendry is making an honest run at these guys, that is all we can ask. He can't force anyone to sign on the dotted line.

 

See, I expect more from a major league GM. Anyone given the title of GM can make an honest run at a player. I want an agressive GM that goes out and gets these deals done.(see Dave Dombrowsi)

 

 

But how do you know he's not being aggressive with Drew? For all we know, he's doing everything possible.

 

I'm not a Hendry butt kisser -- quite the contrary. I have lots of complaints with him, but I'm more than willing to wait until the off season is complete. . . that way I can (as a fan) judge the entire body of work.

[CubinNY]

This is the same guy that traded Ricky Nolasco for slappy.

 

This is the same guy that traded Choi for Lee.

 

This is the same guy that traded ... whoever for Ramirez.

 

Really, this is a tired argument. Lee and Aramis where pure salary dumps that fell into Hendry's lap.

 

Lee was actually traded to Baltimore, but a long term deal couldn't be worked out.

 

Aramis was getting too expensive for the Pirates.

 

I have to ask you, who wouldn't have made those trade? That is the question.

 

he sure did a hell of a job getting rid of hundley. to be honest if you hate hendry you use the slary dump argument, if you like him you say it is a good move. my opinion is that even if it was a salary dump hendry sure as hell stepped up and got them didnt he? i am sure every team in baseball would take lee or aramis so please don't play the " he only got them because of money" game, point is he got them so be happy and for once give the man some credit. i dont agree with all his moves but i think his positives out weigh the negatives. okay i feel better now, feel free to tear into me!

 

He got rid of Hundley for roughly the same amount of salary and got a part time player and a back up 2nd baseman who was pushed into service because Bobby Hill didn't pan out.

 

I don't know how anyone can say that Hendry's positives outwiegh his negatives after watching the Cubs on the brink of the WS in 2003 and the seasons, of 04, 05, and 06. The O4 team was one game better than the 03 team and 05 and 06 where complete disasters in every sense of the word.

[RyCubsFan]

The awful Jim Hendry asleep at the wheel once again.

 

 

Maybe JD Drew doesn't want to play for the Cubs? Maybe he thinks the organization is a freaking joke.

 

He's rich beyond most of our wildest dreams.

 

 

I suppose hendy's a bum because he hasn't cured cancer either?

 

 

I know I'll catch nine kinds of hell from some of you, but it's cool. I'm just saying that as long as Hendry is making an honest run at these guys, that is all we can ask. He can't force anyone to sign on the dotted line.

 

All of that is true. However, aside from a one sentence blurb by the notoriously uninformed Phil Rogers, what evidence is there that the Cubs are seriously in pursuit of Drew?

We'll all have to wait and see. But even if Drew does sign that deal with Boston, it doesn't mean that Hendry was "asleep". We won't know.

 

 

it was reported in a boston paper that the cubs were quote "seriously" persuing drew. the report came out this morning, just like rogers' article. i dont' trust rogers either, but i'm much more willing to trust the boston paper. it listed the red sox and the cubs as the two most serious bidders on drew.

[ShawonOmeter12]

This is the same guy that traded Ricky Nolasco for slappy.

 

This is the same guy that traded Choi for Lee.

 

This is the same guy that traded ... whoever for Ramirez.

 

Really, this is a tired argument. Lee and Aramis where pure salary dumps that fell into Hendry's lap.

 

Lee was actually traded to Baltimore, but a long term deal couldn't be worked out.

 

Aramis was getting too expensive for the Pirates.

 

I have to ask you, who wouldn't have made those trade? That is the question.

 

he sure did a hell of a job getting rid of hundley. to be honest if you hate hendry you use the slary dump argument, if you like him you say it is a good move. my opinion is that even if it was a salary dump hendry sure as hell stepped up and got them didnt he? i am sure every team in baseball would take lee or aramis so please don't play the " he only got them because of money" game, point is he got them so be happy and for once give the man some credit. i dont agree with all his moves but i think his positives out weigh the negatives. okay i feel better now, feel free to tear into me!

 

He got rid of Hundley for roughly the same amount of salary and got a part time player and a back up 2nd baseman who was pushed into service because Bobby Hill didn't pan out.

 

I don't know how anyone can say that Hendry's positives outwiegh his negatives after watching the Cubs on the brink of the WS in 2003 and the seasons, of 04, 05, and 06. The O4 team was one game better than the 03 team and 05 and 06 where complete disasters in every sense of the word.

 

last time i checked karros and grudz played very well for us. bobby hill now there is a name for ya, oh thats right hendry turned BOBBY HILL into ARAMIS!!!!! this isnt mvp baseball for playstation, it takes 2 to tango on signings and trades not just hey i like player x lets go sign him.

[Soul]

Nothing can overcome the fact that Hendry had a WS contender in '03 and by '05 it was trash.