Cubs sign DeRosa for 3 yrs/$13M

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I have a feeling Soriano will get a huge offer from Jim.

 

Who is his agent?

 

Fern Cuza.

[frostwyrm]

Looks to me like the Cubs are envisioning:

 

1 Soriano, CF

2 DeRosa, 2B

3 Lee, 1B

4 Ramirez, 3B

5 Jones, RF

6 Barrett, C

7 Murton, LF

8 Dr. Glove, SS

 

That looks pretty decent to me. You? (with pitching improvements ofcourse)

 

DeRosa can't hit RHP, Jones can't LHP, Izzy can't hit anybody, so you have two offensive black holes in the lineup every day. Soriano's power would be a helluva lot more useful if weren't batting behind Izzy and the pitcher, and he won't be a good table-setter if regresses to his career OBP.

 

I really really really don't like Soriano leading off when there's an all-glove #8 hitter in the lineup.

[TruffleShuffle]

I hope that the people who have said that Theriot would probably be just as DeRosa in 2007 aren't the same people who said that DeRosa will regress significantly because he had an abnormally high BABIP last year.

[BigbadB]

Maybe we can get Bruce Miles to confirm with Hendry the Ramirez signing and whether it cost the team an A/B signing. As closely to the deadline as the announcement came that Ramirez had signed was, I'd say they could probably fudge it. Who was in the room for the agreement? Is a handshake agreement good enough before the midnight deadline?

 

My guess is Ramirez doesn't count towards our A/B free agent signings.

[goonys evil twin]

Looks to me like the Cubs are envisioning:

 

1 Soriano, CF

2 DeRosa, 2B

3 Lee, 1B

4 Ramirez, 3B

5 Jones, RF

6 Barrett, C

7 Murton, LF

8 Dr. Glove, SS

 

That looks pretty decent to me. You? (with pitching improvements ofcourse)

 

DeRosa can't hit RHP, Jones can't LHP, Izzy can't hit anybody, so you have two offensive black holes in the lineup every day.

 

Not necessarily. Neither DeRosa nor Izturis is an everyday player, so it might not be every day that you have a black hole.

[gflore34]

As defeatist as this sounds I believe its pipe-dream to think Hendry is going sign a high impact FA. The most we can expect are more DeRosa like signings, Hendry has no problem spending the money, his problem is doesn't know whom to spend the money on. That's our GM, a day late and a dollar short...

[Outshined_One]

Not necessarily. Neither DeRosa nor Izturis is an everyday player, so it might not be every day that you have a black hole.

 

Problem is, Lou Pineilla and Jim Hendry might think otherwise.

[goonys evil twin]

Not necessarily. Neither DeRosa nor Izturis is an everyday player, so it might not be every day that you have a black hole.

 

Problem is, Lou Pineilla and Jim Hendry might think otherwise.

 

It probably doesn't matter what they think. Izturis's body won't allow it, and DeRosa's probably won't know how to do it.

[Derwood]

I hope that the people who have said that Theriot would probably be just as DeRosa in 2007 aren't the same people who said that DeRosa will regress significantly because he had an abnormally high BABIP last year.

 

I can in no way imagine that Theriot would put up a .298, 13, 74 line next year.

[goonys evil twin]

I hope that the people who have said that Theriot would probably be just as DeRosa in 2007 aren't the same people who said that DeRosa will regress significantly because he had an abnormally high BABIP last year.

 

I can in no way imagine that Theriot would put up a .298, 13, 74 line next year.

 

I could see Theriot approaching DeRosa's career line, .273/.331/.404, with an upgrade in OBP and downgrade in SLG. Something close to what Ryan did in 2004, 2005 and 2006, with a .350+ OBP, and .370-.380 SLG, is quite possible. Nothing special, but it could certainly help the team, especially at his cost.

 

I highly doubt DeRosa does much more than his career line.

[Soul]

Not necessarily. Neither DeRosa nor Izturis is an everyday player, so it might not be every day that you have a black hole.

 

Problem is, Lou Pineilla and Jim Hendry might think otherwise.

 

It probably doesn't matter what they think. Izturis's body won't allow it, and DeRosa's probably won't know how to do it.

 

Izzy's body will probably hold out long enough for us to sink 10 games under .500 and out of the race. DeRosa might not be all that bad, but the real question has always been "where's the pitching, Jim?"

 

I find it highly likely that the answer to that question is simply, there's not going to be any significant pitching acquisitions.

[goonys evil twin]

Not necessarily. Neither DeRosa nor Izturis is an everyday player, so it might not be every day that you have a black hole.

 

Problem is, Lou Pineilla and Jim Hendry might think otherwise.

 

It probably doesn't matter what they think. Izturis's body won't allow it, and DeRosa's probably won't know how to do it.

 

Izzy's body will probably hold out long enough for us to sink 10 games under .500 and out of the race. DeRosa might not be all that bad, but the real question has always been "where's the pitching, Jim?"

 

I find it highly likely that the answer to that question is simply, there's not going to be any significant pitching acquisitions.

 

The thing is, they don't have to be big time pitching acquisitions, just good ones. But if there isn't a major influx of starting pitching, there better be bigtime hitting acquisitions, not a series of mediocre ones. At least one side of the Cubs has to be great. They have to be great at preventing runs or great at scoring runs. If you are great at one, you can afford to be only decent at the other. Going into the season they are terrible at both.

[Hacking Out Machine]

Based on DeRosa's numbers against lefties last year, he appears to me to be a very nice candidate to spell Jones in right against lefties. (As previously mentioned in the thread) If not him, and a left fielder is acquired, then Murton is available. Of course, Hendry made it clear that he is the every day second baseman. How refreshing would it have been to see Hendry say something like, "He can also fill in out in right from time to time...."

 

Could a second consecutive managerial regime be so blind and stubborn to trot Jones out there every day, even though a fourth grader could figure out he is helpless against lefties and the Cubs have more than one very viable alternatives to spell him?

[cubweiser03]

I was hoping to find a ray of light in DeRosa's minor league numbers.

 

minor league career OPS of 720 in over 2000 abs.

 

And he was old for his levels too.

 

Well to be somewhat fair his number as a 23 year old in AA were pretty good (i wouldnt call that old). After that he bounced around from the minors to the majors for 4 years before being a full fledged major leaguer at 28 years old. Then for three years in the majors he put up numbers that Ryan Theroit could easily obtain. Another perspective on his ML #s; at 25 he put up similar numbers to Theriot in AAA while at the same age Ryan was doing that in AA. Nonetheless, DeRosa has had a up and down career, very inconsistant as mentioned several times on this board.

[CubColtPacer]

While looking for information on somebody else, I found somebody's predictions for the top 40 free agents-anybody glad they didn't pay him this?

 

36. Mark DeRosa- .296/.357/.456, 13 HR, 74 RBI

A smoking May and June in a hitters ballpark and DeRosa could get himself a solid payday. Teams will be looking for utility guys, and he fit’s the bill. He matches up well with San Diego, who are not sure if Josh Barfield is ready to take over full-time duties. Todd Walker and Russell Branyan (if they decline his option) are also free agents, so DeRosa would find a home in PETCO. Although his numbers could slip in that ballpark.

Prediction: Padres, 2 years, 14 million

 

http://www.all-baseball.com/firebrand/archives/024536.html

[goonys evil twin]

What i don't understand is what makes everyone think derosa would only get 2-3 mil a year? that is not the market right now, players are getting lots of money so you can either sit around and wait for a "bargain" or pay the price for the guy you want.

 

What I don't understand is why anybody would want DeRosa.

[C.C.]

What i don't understand is what makes everyone think derosa would only get 2-3 mil a year? that is not the market right now, players are getting lots of money so you can either sit around and wait for a "bargain" or pay the price for the guy you want.

 

What I don't understand is why anybody would want DeRosa.

 

I think he's a decent bench guy, but not at 4.3 million.

[goonys evil twin]

What i don't understand is what makes everyone think derosa would only get 2-3 mil a year? that is not the market right now, players are getting lots of money so you can either sit around and wait for a "bargain" or pay the price for the guy you want.

 

What I don't understand is why anybody would want DeRosa.

 

I think he's a decent bench guy, but not at 4.3 million.

 

Exactly. And you don't start out your offseason springing for decent bench guys. You don't target that type of player as the "guy you want". He's the type of guy you sit around and wait for, because he's replacable. Studs aren't replacable, those are the guys you should want, and those are the guys you go after without regard for bargains.

[Bull]

Anyone have any knowledge of what classification of FA DeRosa and Meche are?

[YearofDaCubs]

What i don't understand is what makes everyone think derosa would only get 2-3 mil a year? that is not the market right now, players are getting lots of money so you can either sit around and wait for a "bargain" or pay the price for the guy you want.

 

What I don't understand is why anybody would want DeRosa.

 

I think he's a decent bench guy, but not at 4.3 million.

But he's not here to be a bench guy, he's here to be your starting 2B. Huge difference.

[goonys evil twin]

What i don't understand is what makes everyone think derosa would only get 2-3 mil a year? that is not the market right now, players are getting lots of money so you can either sit around and wait for a "bargain" or pay the price for the guy you want.

 

What I don't understand is why anybody would want DeRosa.

 

I think he's a decent bench guy, but not at 4.3 million.

But he's not here to be a bench guy, he's here to be your starting 2B. Huge difference.

 

And huge problem.

[C.C.]

What i don't understand is what makes everyone think derosa would only get 2-3 mil a year? that is not the market right now, players are getting lots of money so you can either sit around and wait for a "bargain" or pay the price for the guy you want.

 

What I don't understand is why anybody would want DeRosa.

 

I think he's a decent bench guy, but not at 4.3 million.

But he's not here to be a bench guy, he's here to be your starting 2B. Huge difference.

 

Oh I agree. The Cubs aren't paying him or using him correctly.

[ShawonOmeter12]

What i don't understand is what makes everyone think derosa would only get 2-3 mil a year? that is not the market right now, players are getting lots of money so you can either sit around and wait for a "bargain" or pay the price for the guy you want.

 

What I don't understand is why anybody would want DeRosa.

 

never said i did, just saying that this is the going rate, i would be willing to bet that durham gets at least 5-6 mill. what happens if derosa splits with jones? pretty good production in rf for less then 10 million. my whole point is you can't tear apart moves without knowing the real meaning behind them. i will let the offseason play out and judge from that point on.

Edited November 15, 2006 by ShawonOmeter12

[Backtobanks]

i am not a fan of blanco at all, i agree soto would do the same at a fraction of the cost. What i don't understand is what makes everyone think derosa would only get 2-3 mil a year? that is not the market right now, players are getting lots of money so you can either sit around and wait for a "bargain" or pay the price for the guy you want. lastly, just because you want someone doesnt mean they want you, i would be very shocked if schmidt leaves the west coast for example. i will reserve my judgement untili see the final product and not tear it apart piece by piece as it happens.

 

I agree with most of what you said. If you sit by and wait to sign Derosa, he might be signed by someone else and then everyone would jump on Hendry for not signing "someone like Derosa". Maybe Hendry is looking at Meche, Lilly, etc. because he knows that Schmidt and Zito are definitely going to the East or West coast and he doesn't want to risk losing out on some starting pitchers. Too many of us just criticize without knowing all of what might be going on behind the scenes. A perfect example was Brian Giles last year. Everyone jumped all over Hendry about Giles, but then it became obvious that he had no intention of leaving San Diego.

[goonys evil twin]

What i don't understand is what makes everyone think derosa would only get 2-3 mil a year? that is not the market right now, players are getting lots of money so you can either sit around and wait for a "bargain" or pay the price for the guy you want.

 

What I don't understand is why anybody would want DeRosa.

 

never said i did, just saying that this is the going rate, i would be willing to bet that urham gets at least 5-6 mill. what happens if derosa splits with jones? pretty good production in rf for less then 10 million. my whole point is you can't tear apart moves without knowing the ral meaning behind them. i will let the offseason play out and judge from that point on.

 

What does that even mean? Knowing the real meaning? I think the real meaning is pretty clear. Hendry's scouts fell in love with DeRosa and, Hendry being Hendry, he ignored thinks like DeRosa's poor seasons past, his lack of every being a regular, and his age, and he focused only on the upside. He was his first target in free agency, and he got him. Now he's the starting 2B.