College Football - Week of 10/21

[tadowdaddy]

Mizzou gets their first win in 13 years vs. KSU, 41-21. The defense played exceptionally well, only gave up 14 of those points, all late, the other 7 were on a fumble return for a TD on the first play of the game. Forced 4 turnovers, and Chase Daniel goes for 4 passing TDs. Great win for Mizzou in the pouring rain and horrible weather.

 

I hate Missouri.

 

I'd expect nothing less.

 

And I hate Ron Prince with a burning passion for using his timeouts. I just now am getting feeling back in my fingers.

 

I want Snyder back. Ron Prince's offense BLOWS! Mizzou has a great offense, and our defense is actually good. It just sucks when they're out on the field the whole game because our offense is so bad. I think it's a totally different game when we're up 7-3 if we get it in on the 4th and 1. Prince pissed me off, i mean hell, you have a 6'6" qb who weighs 240, why not sneak it? UGH! Congrats on the win Mizzou, I am beginning to hate Ron Prince too.

[cubweiser03]

I don't follow the SEC enough to know if they are the best or not.

 

What I do know is Penn State, and I happened to look at their schedule next year. They drop Minnesota and Northwestern to pick up Iowa and Indiana. With Notre Dame in Week 2, the Lions will have to play the Irish, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Iowa next year. That's got to be about as hard as any other 5 games by any other school in the country.

 

I wouldnt worry about the Irish next year, im not. Those are most definetly tough games.

 

Some dude for Western Michigan had 13 tackles AND 6 sacks. 6 sacks people.

[CubColtPacer]

I don't follow the SEC enough to know if they are the best or not.

 

What I do know is Penn State, and I happened to look at their schedule next year. They drop Minnesota and Northwestern to pick up Iowa and Indiana. With Notre Dame in Week 2, the Lions will have to play the Irish, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Iowa next year. That's got to be about as hard as any other 5 games by any other school in the country.

 

I wouldnt worry about the Irish next year, im not. Those are most definetly tough games.

 

That's actually probably quite accurate. The Irish youngsters are going to have to learn very fast to have a good team next year-right now it looks like a 6 or a 7 win team though for next year.

[hawkeyecub]

How is it that Purdue got both Michigan and OSU off the last couple of years and Iowa gets them both off the next couple of years.

 

It's stupid. Hypothetically even if we go 11-1 and win the Big Ten in either of the next two years, people will say it's just because we didn't play UM or OSU. You're really in a no-win situation as far as major achievements.

Plus the Michigan and Ohio State games are the ones you look forward to and get excited about.

[CubColtPacer]

How is it that Purdue got both Michigan and OSU off the last couple of years and Iowa gets them both off the next couple of years.

 

It's stupid. Hypothetically even if we go 11-1 and win the Big Ten in either of the next two years, people will say it's just because we didn't play UM or OSU. You're really in a no-win situation as far as major achievements.

Plus the Michigan and Ohio State games are the ones you look forward to and get excited about.

 

I can understand what you mean there about not being able to prove yourselves. The funny thing is that Indiana, the other team who will not play Michigan or OSU the next two years, their fans are ecstatic about it. They think it will be a good way to build their program, because now they have a better chance to go to a bowl game the next two years, which will increase visibility for recruits. Iowa though is definitely in a different position, and Michigan and OSU being gone will have to make Iowa for the most part go out and prove themselves outside of the conference.

[dew1679666265]

Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

 

There's simply no way this is true. There are 3 downright bad teams out of only 8.

 

What are the bad teams? Syracuse that lost to once beaten Wake Forrest by 10 and Iowa in OT and beat Illinois. UConn beat Indiana. S.Florida beat North Carolina but did lose to Kansas, Cincy played Ohio St and VTech tough so tell me how are they god awful? Mississippi, Vanderbuilt, Miss St, South Carolina and Kentucky haven't beaten one major conference team this year...none and have blown out when they have. Georgia played a 1-6 Colorado, LSU a 3-4 Arizona, Alabama a 0-7 Duke and the only one that acutally plays teams Tenn which beat Cal and Air Force by 1. By this, tell me why this is the best conference? Is it your perception of what you think is good? I admit the wonderful stadiums being full and the great tradition they have is something the Big East does not have but in 2006 they are not better or deeper. I'd say the PAC 10 would be the toughest top to bottom if Stanford didn't suck.

 

Cuse,

You make your argument that the Big East is a deep conference by pointing out they're barely losing to (at best) mediocre major conference teams?

Syracuse, who won 1 game last year, has proven themselves by going 3-5 and losing to the only decent teams they played? Sure, I'll give you their improved and probably will get better over the next few years. But I don't see the evidence that they are a good team.

UConn, who is 3-4, is a good team because they beat Indiana? The Hoosiers (and I apologize to any IU fans I may upset with this, I have a good friend who is an IU fan) is year in, year out the worst team in the Big 10 and typically the weakest of any major conf. team and most minor conference teams. By the way, you left out that UConn's biggest win is over the powerhouse Army. They also were killed by another beast, Navy.

As for USF, didn't you or someone criticize Bama for struggling against Duke, and then you praise the Bulls for beating a terrible UNC team? Plus, USF squeaks out a win over FIU (1 point) and UCF (7 points).

You can't give Cincy credit for hanging tough with OSU (they lost by 30) unless you give Vandy credit for hanging tough with Michigan (lost by 20 and were down by much less until the fourth quarter). Otherwise, the Bearcats' biggest wins are over decent MAC teams Akron and Miami of Ohio.

Let me ask you a question, Why are we supposed to give the Big East credit before they prove anything to us? WVU beat UGA last year and Louisville's typically a decent top 25 team. You complain about the SEC getting the benefit of the doubt, but you demand the Big East get the same treatment? I'll give you the SEC is down this year, but so is the rest of college football. The key difference is, the SEC has been good in previous, recent years, the teams currently comprising the Big East have not.

[da bears]

I don't follow the SEC enough to know if they are the best or not.

 

What I do know is Penn State, and I happened to look at their schedule next year. They drop Minnesota and Northwestern to pick up Iowa and Indiana. With Notre Dame in Week 2, the Lions will have to play the Irish, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Iowa next year. That's got to be about as hard as any other 5 games by any other school in the country.

 

I wouldnt worry about the Irish next year, im not. Those are most definetly tough games.

 

That's actually probably quite accurate. The Irish youngsters are going to have to learn very fast to have a good team next year-right now it looks like a 6 or a 7 win team though for next year.

 

Who's their quarterback going to be next year? Some of my friends who are ND fans are saying Claussen. Not sure if that's a great idea.

 

Good to see Mizzou finally get the KSU monkey off their backs. There was a bunch of good recruits in the next two classes at the game. Hopefully they liked what they saw.

[CubColtPacer]

I don't follow the SEC enough to know if they are the best or not.

 

What I do know is Penn State, and I happened to look at their schedule next year. They drop Minnesota and Northwestern to pick up Iowa and Indiana. With Notre Dame in Week 2, the Lions will have to play the Irish, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Iowa next year. That's got to be about as hard as any other 5 games by any other school in the country.

 

I wouldnt worry about the Irish next year, im not. Those are most definetly tough games.

 

That's actually probably quite accurate. The Irish youngsters are going to have to learn very fast to have a good team next year-right now it looks like a 6 or a 7 win team though for next year.

 

Who's their quarterback going to be next year? Some of my friends who are ND fans are saying Claussen. Not sure if that's a great idea.

 

Good to see Mizzou finally get the KSU monkey off their backs. There was a bunch of good recruits in the next two classes at the game. Hopefully they liked what they saw.

 

If I had to guess today, I would say Clausen would be the favorite. Is it optimal? No-but the only other options would be sophmores who don't have any game experience either. Even if they start the season, Clausen will probably end up coming in by 4-5 games in anyway, so I'm guessing they just skip that and go with him to start. I'm not expecting big things out of him next year, but I hope it'll be a learning experience for him.

[CuseCubFan69]

Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

 

There's simply no way this is true. There are 3 downright bad teams out of only 8.

 

What are the bad teams? Syracuse that lost to once beaten Wake Forrest by 10 and Iowa in OT and beat Illinois. UConn beat Indiana. S.Florida beat North Carolina but did lose to Kansas, Cincy played Ohio St and VTech tough so tell me how are they god awful? Mississippi, Vanderbuilt, Miss St, South Carolina and Kentucky haven't beaten one major conference team this year...none and have blown out when they have. Georgia played a 1-6 Colorado, LSU a 3-4 Arizona, Alabama a 0-7 Duke and the only one that acutally plays teams Tenn which beat Cal and Air Force by 1. By this, tell me why this is the best conference? Is it your perception of what you think is good? I admit the wonderful stadiums being full and the great tradition they have is something the Big East does not have but in 2006 they are not better or deeper. I'd say the PAC 10 would be the toughest top to bottom if Stanford didn't suck.

 

Cuse,

You make your argument that the Big East is a deep conference by pointing out they're barely losing to (at best) mediocre major conference teams?

Syracuse, who won 1 game last year, has proven themselves by going 3-5 and losing to the only decent teams they played? Sure, I'll give you their improved and probably will get better over the next few years. But I don't see the evidence that they are a good team.

UConn, who is 3-4, is a good team because they beat Indiana? The Hoosiers (and I apologize to any IU fans I may upset with this, I have a good friend who is an IU fan) is year in, year out the worst team in the Big 10 and typically the weakest of any major conf. team and most minor conference teams. By the way, you left out that UConn's biggest win is over the powerhouse Army. They also were killed by another beast, Navy.

As for USF, didn't you or someone criticize Bama for struggling against Duke, and then you praise the Bulls for beating a terrible UNC team? Plus, USF squeaks out a win over FIU (1 point) and UCF (7 points).

You can't give Cincy credit for hanging tough with OSU (they lost by 30) unless you give Vandy credit for hanging tough with Michigan (lost by 20 and were down by much less until the fourth quarter). Otherwise, the Bearcats' biggest wins are over decent MAC teams Akron and Miami of Ohio.

Let me ask you a question, Why are we supposed to give the Big East credit before they prove anything to us? WVU beat UGA last year and Louisville's typically a decent top 25 team. You complain about the SEC getting the benefit of the doubt, but you demand the Big East get the same treatment? I'll give you the SEC is down this year, but so is the rest of college football. The key difference is, the SEC has been good in previous, recent years, the teams currently comprising the Big East have not.

 

Dew,

 

As my friend TransTiger pointed out, the past is the past and I'm talking about the current. You admitted the SEC is down but if you listen to all the College "experts" they go on and on about the SEC as if they are the best. As I've wrote many times, they are talented but to have 4 to 5 teams in the top 11 is redicules. But, if you want to talk the past, how far do you want to go? WV had one loss last year and Louisville had 3. How many games did Auburn or Florida lose last year?

 

I mentioned those teams like Indiana because the bottom of the BE has beaten the bottom of the other conferences thus IMO proved they are better. As I pointed out, Kansas did beat SFlorida and Pitt lost to Michigan St and I give you that.

[snoodmonger]

Mizzou gets their first win in 13 years vs. KSU, 41-21. The defense played exceptionally well, only gave up 14 of those points, all late, the other 7 were on a fumble return for a TD on the first play of the game. Forced 4 turnovers, and Chase Daniel goes for 4 passing TDs. Great win for Mizzou in the pouring rain and horrible weather.

 

I hate Missouri.

 

I'd expect nothing less.

 

And I hate Ron Prince with a burning passion for using his timeouts. I just now am getting feeling back in my fingers.

 

I want Snyder back. Ron Prince's offense BLOWS! Mizzou has a great offense, and our defense is actually good. It just sucks when they're out on the field the whole game because our offense is so bad. I think it's a totally different game when we're up 7-3 if we get it in on the 4th and 1. Prince pissed me off, i mean hell, you have a 6'6" qb who weighs 240, why not sneak it? UGH! Congrats on the win Mizzou, I am beginning to hate Ron Prince too.

if it's any consolation, you'll still beat us. Only after we've taken a 3 touchdown lead on you, though.

[dew1679666265]

Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

 

There's simply no way this is true. There are 3 downright bad teams out of only 8.

 

What are the bad teams? Syracuse that lost to once beaten Wake Forrest by 10 and Iowa in OT and beat Illinois. UConn beat Indiana. S.Florida beat North Carolina but did lose to Kansas, Cincy played Ohio St and VTech tough so tell me how are they god awful? Mississippi, Vanderbuilt, Miss St, South Carolina and Kentucky haven't beaten one major conference team this year...none and have blown out when they have. Georgia played a 1-6 Colorado, LSU a 3-4 Arizona, Alabama a 0-7 Duke and the only one that acutally plays teams Tenn which beat Cal and Air Force by 1. By this, tell me why this is the best conference? Is it your perception of what you think is good? I admit the wonderful stadiums being full and the great tradition they have is something the Big East does not have but in 2006 they are not better or deeper. I'd say the PAC 10 would be the toughest top to bottom if Stanford didn't suck.

 

Cuse,

You make your argument that the Big East is a deep conference by pointing out they're barely losing to (at best) mediocre major conference teams?

Syracuse, who won 1 game last year, has proven themselves by going 3-5 and losing to the only decent teams they played? Sure, I'll give you their improved and probably will get better over the next few years. But I don't see the evidence that they are a good team.

UConn, who is 3-4, is a good team because they beat Indiana? The Hoosiers (and I apologize to any IU fans I may upset with this, I have a good friend who is an IU fan) is year in, year out the worst team in the Big 10 and typically the weakest of any major conf. team and most minor conference teams. By the way, you left out that UConn's biggest win is over the powerhouse Army. They also were killed by another beast, Navy.

As for USF, didn't you or someone criticize Bama for struggling against Duke, and then you praise the Bulls for beating a terrible UNC team? Plus, USF squeaks out a win over FIU (1 point) and UCF (7 points).

You can't give Cincy credit for hanging tough with OSU (they lost by 30) unless you give Vandy credit for hanging tough with Michigan (lost by 20 and were down by much less until the fourth quarter). Otherwise, the Bearcats' biggest wins are over decent MAC teams Akron and Miami of Ohio.

Let me ask you a question, Why are we supposed to give the Big East credit before they prove anything to us? WVU beat UGA last year and Louisville's typically a decent top 25 team. You complain about the SEC getting the benefit of the doubt, but you demand the Big East get the same treatment? I'll give you the SEC is down this year, but so is the rest of college football. The key difference is, the SEC has been good in previous, recent years, the teams currently comprising the Big East have not.

 

Dew,

 

As my friend TransTiger pointed out, the past is the past and I'm talking about the current. You admitted the SEC is down but if you listen to all the College "experts" they go on and on about the SEC as if they are the best. As I've wrote many times, they are talented but to have 4 to 5 teams in the top 11 is redicules. But, if you want to talk the past, how far do you want to go? WV had one loss last year and Louisville had 3. How many games did Auburn or Florida lose last year?

 

I mentioned those teams like Indiana because the bottom of the BE has beaten the bottom of the other conferences thus IMO proved they are better. As I pointed out, Kansas did beat SFlorida and Pitt lost to Michigan St and I give you that.

 

Cuse,

I ask you, if not Tennessee, Florida, Auburn (the only three in the top 11) then who? It's the same reason I don't have a problem with ND in the top ten, the crop of college football teams this season is very weak. Traditionally good teams such as Iowa, UGA, Oklahoma, FSU, Miami, Va Tech, etc. are all having worse years then normal. Who would you argue are unquestionably better than UT, UF, and Auburn? And believe me, it pains me deeply to say Florida's a good team, I hate them.

Also, in terms of the ESPN "experts" their main goal is to promote viewership so their not going to admit that traditional powers such as the SEC and Big 10 are weak this year, though they are. But I still have not seen any reason to say those two, who consistently are the best conferences, are worse than the Big East. The BE simply hasn't been that impressive as a whole, primarily because I have doubts about them and they play no one to convince me otherwise.

[TruffleShuffle]

Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

 

There's simply no way this is true. There are 3 downright bad teams out of only 8.

 

What are the bad teams? Syracuse that lost to once beaten Wake Forrest by 10 and Iowa in OT and beat Illinois. UConn beat Indiana. S.Florida beat North Carolina but did lose to Kansas, Cincy played Ohio St and VTech tough so tell me how are they god awful? Mississippi, Vanderbuilt, Miss St, South Carolina and Kentucky haven't beaten one major conference team this year...none and have blown out when they have. Georgia played a 1-6 Colorado, LSU a 3-4 Arizona, Alabama a 0-7 Duke and the only one that acutally plays teams Tenn which beat Cal and Air Force by 1. By this, tell me why this is the best conference? Is it your perception of what you think is good? I admit the wonderful stadiums being full and the great tradition they have is something the Big East does not have but in 2006 they are not better or deeper. I'd say the PAC 10 would be the toughest top to bottom if Stanford didn't suck.

 

Man, this is homerism at its finest. UConn beat a bad Indiana team, Syracuse beat a bad South Florida beat a North Carolina team that hasn't won a game against a I-A opponent, and Cincy lost all their non-conference games against good competition. I'm pretty sure that just about all those teams listed above could've beaten Indiana, Illinois or North Carolina.

 

It's pretty easy to say that South Carolina hasn't beaten a big conference team in an OOC game, because they haven't played one. Mississippi State played one, West Virginia, and they got hammered because they suck. Ole Miss lost two (Mizzou, Wake) because they aren't very good. Vandy hasn't beaten a major conference team because the only one they played happens to be the #2 team in the country. That's a little more of a challenge than taking on Indiana or UNC. Kentucky played Louisville on the road, and of course they got killed because Louisville is good and Kentucky clearly is not.

 

You give credit to USF for beating UNC, but then goof on LSU for playing a 3-4 Arizona team? Come on. And while we're at it, let's compile a list of the Big East non-conference games this year:

 

WVU - vs Marshall, vs Eastern Washington, vs Maryland, @East Carolina, @Mississippi State

Louisville - Kentucky, @Temple, vs Miami, @Kansas State, @Middle Tennessee State

Rutgers - @UNC, vs Illinois, vs Ohio, vs Howard, @Navy

Pitt - vs Virginia, vs Michigan State (loss), vs Citadel, vs Toledo, @UCF

USF - vs McNeese St, vs FIU, @UCF, @Kansas (loss), @UNC

Cincy - vs Eastern Kentucky, @Ohio State (loss), @Virginia Tech (loss), vs Miami OH, vs Akron

UConn - vs URI, vs Wake Forest (loss), @Indiana, vs Navy (loss), vs Army

Syracuse - @Wake Forest (loss), vs Iowa (loss), @Illinois, vs Miami OH, vs Wyoming

 

Wow, quite the illustrious record there. The best win is Louisville at home against a Miami team that barely beat Duke. The second best is probably West Virginia beating Maryland at home - by the way, Maryland barely beat Florida International at home. Then there's Rutgers' win over a physically outmatched Navy team. USF's best win is over a team that has only beaten Furman. I could go on, but it's pretty obvious that there really isn't much to brag about there, and that's putting it mildly.

 

 

And, I'll remind you now that Florida plays F$U later in the year, Georgia plays Georgia Tech, and South Carolina goes to Clemson. Georgia Tech and Clemson are better than any non-conference team that West Virginia, Louisville, Pitt or Rutgers will have faced this year.

[Andy]

I don't follow the SEC enough to know if they are the best or not.

 

What I do know is Penn State, and I happened to look at their schedule next year. They drop Minnesota and Northwestern to pick up Iowa and Indiana. With Notre Dame in Week 2, the Lions will have to play the Irish, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Iowa next year. That's got to be about as hard as any other 5 games by any other school in the country.

 

I wouldnt worry about the Irish next year, im not. Those are most definetly tough games.

 

That's actually probably quite accurate. The Irish youngsters are going to have to learn very fast to have a good team next year-right now it looks like a 6 or a 7 win team though for next year.

ND will most certainly fall off next year, but I don't think to the 6-7 win degree. Just looking the schedule, GT (if CJ goes pro), MSU (without Stanton), Navy, Air Force, Duke and Stanford should all be wins (all home games except Stanford). That's six wins right there, and of the remaining games (PSU, UM, Purdue, UCLA, BC, USC), I figure ND will take two, maybe three if they catch a break or two. At the risk of making a ridiculously early prediction, I'll hazard a guess at eight wins next year, which will be a solid start to the Jimmy Clausen era.

[CuseCubFan69]

Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

 

There's simply no way this is true. There are 3 downright bad teams out of only 8.

 

What are the bad teams? Syracuse that lost to once beaten Wake Forrest by 10 and Iowa in OT and beat Illinois. UConn beat Indiana. S.Florida beat North Carolina but did lose to Kansas, Cincy played Ohio St and VTech tough so tell me how are they god awful? Mississippi, Vanderbuilt, Miss St, South Carolina and Kentucky haven't beaten one major conference team this year...none and have blown out when they have. Georgia played a 1-6 Colorado, LSU a 3-4 Arizona, Alabama a 0-7 Duke and the only one that acutally plays teams Tenn which beat Cal and Air Force by 1. By this, tell me why this is the best conference? Is it your perception of what you think is good? I admit the wonderful stadiums being full and the great tradition they have is something the Big East does not have but in 2006 they are not better or deeper. I'd say the PAC 10 would be the toughest top to bottom if Stanford didn't suck.

 

Man, this is homerism at its finest. UConn beat a bad Indiana team, Syracuse beat a bad South Florida beat a North Carolina team that hasn't won a game against a I-A opponent, and Cincy lost all their non-conference games against good competition. I'm pretty sure that just about all those teams listed above could've beaten Indiana, Illinois or North Carolina.

 

It's pretty easy to say that South Carolina hasn't beaten a big conference team in an OOC game, because they haven't played one. Mississippi State played one, West Virginia, and they got hammered because they suck. Ole Miss lost two (Mizzou, Wake) because they aren't very good. Vandy hasn't beaten a major conference team because the only one they played happens to be the #2 team in the country. That's a little more of a challenge than taking on Indiana or UNC. Kentucky played Louisville on the road, and of course they got killed because Louisville is good and Kentucky clearly is not.

 

You give credit to USF for beating UNC, but then goof on LSU for playing a 3-4 Arizona team? Come on. And while we're at it, let's compile a list of the Big East non-conference games this year:

 

WVU - vs Marshall, vs Eastern Washington, vs Maryland, @East Carolina, @Mississippi State

Louisville - Kentucky, @Temple, vs Miami, @Kansas State, @Middle Tennessee State

Rutgers - @UNC, vs Illinois, vs Ohio, vs Howard, @Navy

Pitt - vs Virginia, vs Michigan State (loss), vs Citadel, vs Toledo, @UCF

USF - vs McNeese St, vs FIU, @UCF, @Kansas (loss), @UNC

Cincy - vs Eastern Kentucky, @Ohio State (loss), @Virginia Tech (loss), vs Miami OH, vs Akron

UConn - vs URI, vs Wake Forest (loss), @Indiana, vs Navy (loss), vs Army

Syracuse - @Wake Forest (loss), vs Iowa (loss), @Illinois, vs Miami OH, vs Wyoming

 

Wow, quite the illustrious record there. The best win is Louisville at home against a Miami team that barely beat Duke. The second best is probably West Virginia beating Maryland at home - by the way, Maryland barely beat Florida International at home. Then there's Rutgers' win over a physically outmatched Navy team. USF's best win is over a team that has only beaten Furman. I could go on, but it's pretty obvious that there really isn't much to brag about there, and that's putting it mildly.

 

 

And, I'll remind you now that Florida plays F$U later in the year, Georgia plays Georgia Tech, and South Carolina goes to Clemson. Georgia Tech and Clemson are better than any non-conference team that West Virginia, Louisville, Pitt or Rutgers will have faced this year.

 

So the bottom of the Big East is better than the bottom of the SEC, correct? Also, Navy is 5-2 and a very good team. Maryland also beat NC State. I admit I'm a homer but I'll also admit when I'm wrong and I know I'm right about the SEC.

 

What also is going to stink is that the bowl system is set up for the BE to fail. We have one big game and the rest are against teams that the BE teams should beat or are suppose to beat and no games against the "big boys" as they all play each other in the bowls since they are set up ahead of time and not earned.

[Warpticon]

Because Auburn, Florida, LSU and Tennessee are all very good teams; Arkansas may be in that group, and South Carolina, Georgia and Alabama all have very good defenses and can be dangerous to any of the teams above. Even Vandy has won at Georgia and played Arkansas tough. Ole Miss has been pretty competitive too...

 

Can I just throw out that Georgia and Ole Miss are F***** dog**** teams and would struggle to win the MAC?

 

And I can't help but mention that warpticon trumped these claims by saying the Big 12 was in the running as the best conference, when it seems to clearly be in the running as the worst of the BCSers.

 

 

PAC 10

Big 10

SEC

Big East

Big 12

ACC

 

I said Big 10, not Big 12. If I did say Big 12 at any time, it was an accident. Georgia is not a dog-bleep teem. They're not as good as they started off, but saying they'd struggle in the MAC is just being ridiculous.

[TruffleShuffle]

Record of teams Louisville beat last year: 37-63

Louisville wins over bowl-eligible teams: 1 - vs Rutgers (7-5)

Losses by 31 points to teams that finished with a .500 record: 1

 

Record of teams Florida beat last year: 52-52

Florida wins over bowl-eligible teams: 4 - vs Louisiana Tech (7-4), vs Georgia (10-3), vs Florida State (8-5), vs Iowa (7-5)

Losses by 31 points to teams that finished with a .500 record: 0

 

Record of teams Auburn beat last year (excluding 1-AA team): 44-48

Auburn wins over bowl-eligible teams: 3 - vs South Carolina (7-5), @Georgia (10-3), vs Alabama (11-2)

Losses by 31 points to teams that finished with a .500 record: 0

 

 

 

So yes, each team did finish the year 9-3. But two of them actually beat some good teams to get that record, and the other basically lost to every good team they played.

[Warpticon]

So the bottom of the Big East is better than the bottom of the SEC, correct?j

 

No.

 

I admit I'm a homer but I'll also admit when I'm wrong and I know I'm right about the SEC.

 

No.

[dew1679666265]

Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

 

There's simply no way this is true. There are 3 downright bad teams out of only 8.

 

What are the bad teams? Syracuse that lost to once beaten Wake Forrest by 10 and Iowa in OT and beat Illinois. UConn beat Indiana. S.Florida beat North Carolina but did lose to Kansas, Cincy played Ohio St and VTech tough so tell me how are they god awful? Mississippi, Vanderbuilt, Miss St, South Carolina and Kentucky haven't beaten one major conference team this year...none and have blown out when they have. Georgia played a 1-6 Colorado, LSU a 3-4 Arizona, Alabama a 0-7 Duke and the only one that acutally plays teams Tenn which beat Cal and Air Force by 1. By this, tell me why this is the best conference? Is it your perception of what you think is good? I admit the wonderful stadiums being full and the great tradition they have is something the Big East does not have but in 2006 they are not better or deeper. I'd say the PAC 10 would be the toughest top to bottom if Stanford didn't suck.

 

Man, this is homerism at its finest. UConn beat a bad Indiana team, Syracuse beat a bad South Florida beat a North Carolina team that hasn't won a game against a I-A opponent, and Cincy lost all their non-conference games against good competition. I'm pretty sure that just about all those teams listed above could've beaten Indiana, Illinois or North Carolina.

 

It's pretty easy to say that South Carolina hasn't beaten a big conference team in an OOC game, because they haven't played one. Mississippi State played one, West Virginia, and they got hammered because they suck. Ole Miss lost two (Mizzou, Wake) because they aren't very good. Vandy hasn't beaten a major conference team because the only one they played happens to be the #2 team in the country. That's a little more of a challenge than taking on Indiana or UNC. Kentucky played Louisville on the road, and of course they got killed because Louisville is good and Kentucky clearly is not.

 

You give credit to USF for beating UNC, but then goof on LSU for playing a 3-4 Arizona team? Come on. And while we're at it, let's compile a list of the Big East non-conference games this year:

 

WVU - vs Marshall, vs Eastern Washington, vs Maryland, @East Carolina, @Mississippi State

Louisville - Kentucky, @Temple, vs Miami, @Kansas State, @Middle Tennessee State

Rutgers - @UNC, vs Illinois, vs Ohio, vs Howard, @Navy

Pitt - vs Virginia, vs Michigan State (loss), vs Citadel, vs Toledo, @UCF

USF - vs McNeese St, vs FIU, @UCF, @Kansas (loss), @UNC

Cincy - vs Eastern Kentucky, @Ohio State (loss), @Virginia Tech (loss), vs Miami OH, vs Akron

UConn - vs URI, vs Wake Forest (loss), @Indiana, vs Navy (loss), vs Army

Syracuse - @Wake Forest (loss), vs Iowa (loss), @Illinois, vs Miami OH, vs Wyoming

 

Wow, quite the illustrious record there. The best win is Louisville at home against a Miami team that barely beat Duke. The second best is probably West Virginia beating Maryland at home - by the way, Maryland barely beat Florida International at home. Then there's Rutgers' win over a physically outmatched Navy team. USF's best win is over a team that has only beaten Furman. I could go on, but it's pretty obvious that there really isn't much to brag about there, and that's putting it mildly.

 

 

And, I'll remind you now that Florida plays F$U later in the year, Georgia plays Georgia Tech, and South Carolina goes to Clemson. Georgia Tech and Clemson are better than any non-conference team that West Virginia, Louisville, Pitt or Rutgers will have faced this year.

 

So the bottom of the Big East is better than the bottom of the SEC, correct? Also, Navy is 5-2 and a very good team. Maryland also beat NC State. I admit I'm a homer but I'll also admit when I'm wrong and I know I'm right about the SEC.

 

What also is going to stink is that the bowl system is set up for the BE to fail. We have one big game and the rest are against teams that the BE teams should beat or are suppose to beat and no games against the "big boys" as they all play each other in the bowls since they are set up ahead of time and not earned.

 

Actually they are fairly close, the problem for the Big East is, how do we know for sure the top (WVU and Louisville) are better than UT, UF, and Auburn? They both play very similar non-conference schedules. The difference I see is that I would take the middle of the SEC (Bama, LSU, SCar, Arkansas) over the middle of the Big East (Pitt, Rutgers). Thus, the in-conference SEC schedule is better and the SEC is better. Incredibly? No, but still better.

[TruffleShuffle]

So the bottom of the Big East is better than the bottom of the SEC, correct?

 

So this is how we determine which conference is better? Look at the results when the dregs of the two conferences play each other? That's ridiculous. Syracuse, UConn, Cincy and USF are not good. WVU and Louisville will have no trouble with them, just like the top teams in the SEC will have no trouble against Kentucky, Mississippi St, and Ole Miss. But, if you're in the SEC you have to go through 3-5 good teams during the year. If you're West Virginia or Louisville, you play four pretty lousy teams, two teams in the same league as South Carolina, and then one really good team. That's not exactly running the gauntlet like LSU has to do this year (@Florida, @Auburn, @Tennessee, @Arkansas).

 

 

Also, Navy is 5-2 and a very good team.

 

Very good? Come on. Navy has beaten East Carolina (barely) UMass (a 1-AA team, by one point), Stanford (whose next win will be their first), UConn (well they're in the Big East, so they must be good) and Air Force (3-3). What in there suggests they're a very good team?

 

 

 

Maryland also beat NC State.

 

So did Southern Miss and Akron.

[CuseCubFan69]

Also, Navy is 5-2 and a very good team.

 

Very good? Come on. Navy has beaten East Carolina (barely) UMass (a 1-AA team, by one point), Stanford (whose next win will be their first), UConn (well they're in the Big East, so they must be good) and Air Force (3-3). What in there suggests they're a very good team?

 

 

Well let's see. Air Force lost by one to Tennessee at Tennessee so you're right, Navy must be a bad team. as is Tennessee then. Since Tennessee is a bad team how are they in the top 10? I'm just using your criteria Truffle.

[Warpticon]

Also, Navy is 5-2 and a very good team.

 

Very good? Come on. Navy has beaten East Carolina (barely) UMass (a 1-AA team, by one point), Stanford (whose next win will be their first), UConn (well they're in the Big East, so they must be good) and Air Force (3-3). What in there suggests they're a very good team?

 

 

Well let's see. Air Force lost by one to Tennessee at Tennessee so you're right, Navy must be a bad team. as is Tennessee then. Since Tennessee is a bad team how are they in the top 10? I'm just using your criteria Truffle.

 

No, you're not. Geez, how hard is it? He named ALL of Navy's wins to show that none were particularly impressive; you named one close game for Tennessee and said they were a bad team. Ridiculous.

[CuseCubFan69]

Also, Navy is 5-2 and a very good team.

 

Very good? Come on. Navy has beaten East Carolina (barely) UMass (a 1-AA team, by one point), Stanford (whose next win will be their first), UConn (well they're in the Big East, so they must be good) and Air Force (3-3). What in there suggests they're a very good team?

 

 

Well let's see. Air Force lost by one to Tennessee at Tennessee so you're right, Navy must be a bad team. as is Tennessee then. Since Tennessee is a bad team how are they in the top 10? I'm just using your criteria Truffle.

 

No, you're not. Geez, how hard is it? He named ALL of Navy's wins to show that none were particularly impressive; you named one close game for Tennessee and said they were a bad team. Ridiculous.

 

He's calling Navy a bad team while they beat Air Force at Air Force while Tennessee wins at home by one. Not only that but in the last seconds. What makes Tennessee so much better?

[Warpticon]

The new polls are interesting.

 

AP:

 

1 Ohio State

2 Michigan

3 Southern California

4 West Virginia

5 Texas

6 Louisville

7 Auburn

8 Tennessee

9 Florida

10 Clemson

11 Notre Dame

12 California

13 Arkansas

14 LSU

15 Boise State

16 Rutgers

17 Wisconsin

18 Boston College

19 Oklahoma

20 Nebraska

21 Georgia Tech

22 Texas A&M

23 Missouri

24 Wake Forest

25 Oregon

 

Coaches/USA Today:

1. Ohio State (63) 8-0 1,575

2. USC 6-0 1,469

3. Michigan 8-0 1,454

4. West Virginia 7-0 1,394

5. Texas 7-1 1,308

6. Louisville 7-0 1,205

7. Auburn 7-1 1,178

8. Florida 6-1 1,051

9. Tennessee 6-1 1,046

10. Notre Dame 6-1 1,019

11. Clemson 7-1 962

12. California 7-1 923

13. LSU 6-2 923

14. Arkansas 6-1 700

15. Boise State 8-0 667

16. Rutgers 7-0 557

17. Boston College 6-1 530

18. Wisconsin 7-1 525

19. Oklahoma 5-2 450

20. Nebraska 6-2 328

21. Georgia Tech 5-2 264

22. Texas A&M 7-1 263

23. Missouri 7-1 229

24. Oregon 5-2 228

25. Georgia 6-2 163

[Warpticon]

Also, Navy is 5-2 and a very good team.

 

Very good? Come on. Navy has beaten East Carolina (barely) UMass (a 1-AA team, by one point), Stanford (whose next win will be their first), UConn (well they're in the Big East, so they must be good) and Air Force (3-3). What in there suggests they're a very good team?

 

 

Well let's see. Air Force lost by one to Tennessee at Tennessee so you're right, Navy must be a bad team. as is Tennessee then. Since Tennessee is a bad team how are they in the top 10? I'm just using your criteria Truffle.

 

No, you're not. Geez, how hard is it? He named ALL of Navy's wins to show that none were particularly impressive; you named one close game for Tennessee and said they were a bad team. Ridiculous.

 

He's calling Navy a bad team while they beat Air Force at Air Force while Tennessee wins at home by one. Not only that but in the last seconds. What makes Tennessee so much better?

 

I don't know, maybe the other seven games?

[dew1679666265]

Also, Navy is 5-2 and a very good team.

 

Very good? Come on. Navy has beaten East Carolina (barely) UMass (a 1-AA team, by one point), Stanford (whose next win will be their first), UConn (well they're in the Big East, so they must be good) and Air Force (3-3). What in there suggests they're a very good team?

 

 

Well let's see. Air Force lost by one to Tennessee at Tennessee so you're right, Navy must be a bad team. as is Tennessee then. Since Tennessee is a bad team how are they in the top 10? I'm just using your criteria Truffle.

 

No, you're not. Geez, how hard is it? He named ALL of Navy's wins to show that none were particularly impressive; you named one close game for Tennessee and said they were a bad team. Ridiculous.

 

He's calling Navy a bad team while they beat Air Force at Air Force while Tennessee wins at home by one. Not only that but in the last seconds. What makes Tennessee so much better?

 

A single game does not make or break a team. Sure, Navy beat Air Force and Tennessee barely beat AF. Navy has also beaten UMass, Stanford and East Carolina. Is that a great group of wins? UT on the other hand has beaten UGA, Cal, Bama. Which three wins are better? Also, how do you have any question whether UT is better than Navy?