College Basketball 2006-2007

[chuckywang]

UNC men and women lose on the same day!!

 

:D :D :D

[soccer10k]

Oden should stay in college for another year. He's nowhere near polished enough offensively to play in the NBA. I know his hurt wrist hasn't helped his play but that is also the same reason he should stay for another year. I just think he would be better served playing at OSU for one more year.

 

development be damned. if oden is a top 3 pick, he'd be insane not to go pro.

 

Just because he could be a top 3 pick doesn't mean he's ready to play in the NBA. They are two completely different things.

[soccer10k]

Wow, UNC lost to Maryland.

 

Maybe KU can slip into a 1 seed. Wiscy has lost twice this week. UNC loses again...

 

Florida lost also.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Oden should stay in college for another year. He's nowhere near polished enough offensively to play in the NBA. I know his hurt wrist hasn't helped his play but that is also the same reason he should stay for another year. I just think he would be better served playing at OSU for one more year.

 

development be damned. if oden is a top 3 pick, he'd be insane not to go pro.

 

Just because he could be a top 3 pick doesn't mean he's ready to play in the NBA. They are two completely different things.

 

You are forgetting one big factor:

 

$$$

[radarluv1]

Oden should stay in college for another year. He's nowhere near polished enough offensively to play in the NBA. I know his hurt wrist hasn't helped his play but that is also the same reason he should stay for another year. I just think he would be better served playing at OSU for one more year.

 

development be damned. if oden is a top 3 pick, he'd be insane not to go pro.

 

Just because he could be a top 3 pick doesn't mean he's ready to play in the NBA. They are two completely different things.

 

You are forgetting one big factor:

 

$$$

 

who cares is he's ready to play? the risk of dropping from top 3 to the 2nd round would be a huge drop in cash. leinert still had a good year and he fell to what, 13?

[Flames24Rulz]

Oden should stay in college for another year. He's nowhere near polished enough offensively to play in the NBA. I know his hurt wrist hasn't helped his play but that is also the same reason he should stay for another year. I just think he would be better served playing at OSU for one more year.

 

development be damned. if oden is a top 3 pick, he'd be insane not to go pro.

 

Just because he could be a top 3 pick doesn't mean he's ready to play in the NBA. They are two completely different things.

 

You are forgetting one big factor:

 

$$$

 

who cares is he's ready to play? the risk of dropping from top 3 to the 2nd round would be a huge drop in cash. leinert still had a good year and he fell to what, 13?

 

Leinart fell to 9. Huge difference from being the 1st overall pick and making the most money to the 9th overall pick and not even selected as the first QB.

 

Noah definitely missed his chance last year as well. If Oden does the same thing, I can't say I won't be surprised. Oden's a top 2 pick in the Draft no matter what. I don't think it would be the best decision in the world if he stayed in school.

[TruffleShuffle]

can't believe nobody mentioned the big Holy Cross win today to give them home court advantage for the Patriot League tourney.

[Andy]

Ball State lost again 61-51 to Eastern Michigan. Ball State will lose 20 games this season, so much for Ronny Thompson.

[Outshined_One]

Oden's been under a microscope pretty much since he picked up a basketball. He would have been the #1 overall pick coming out of high school last year under the old rules. Teams know what he needs to improve on, what his ceiling looks like, and what his floor is. Perhaps he needs polish before he lives up to his potential, but no player in any sport is able to play up to his potential from the moment he is drafted.

 

Oden's right hand is still not 100% and his game could use some work, true. However, he'll go #2 overall at the very worst come this summer (barring a catastrophe). He'd be insane not to declare.

 

After all, he would get much better coaching and experience in the NBA.

[soccer10k]

Oden should stay in college for another year. He's nowhere near polished enough offensively to play in the NBA. I know his hurt wrist hasn't helped his play but that is also the same reason he should stay for another year. I just think he would be better served playing at OSU for one more year.

 

development be damned. if oden is a top 3 pick, he'd be insane not to go pro.

 

Just because he could be a top 3 pick doesn't mean he's ready to play in the NBA. They are two completely different things.

 

You are forgetting one big factor:

 

$$$

 

You obviously didn't read or didn't understand what I wrote. Just because he is projected to go high in the draft and could make a ton of money doesn't mean he is ready to play in the NBA. In baskeball, all you hear about in regards to the draft is "potential" and "upside". You don't hear that anywere close to as much in football (since somebody brought up Matt Leinart). You rarely hear about teams drafting "projects" in the NFL but you hear that many times every single draft in the NBA.

 

I don't think Oden is ready offensively for the NBA. Defensively, he's an animal. I really think staying at OSU for another year will benefit him in the long run. He's going to get good coaching regardless of whether he stays or goes pro.

[SouthSideRyan]

Oden should stay in college for another year. He's nowhere near polished enough offensively to play in the NBA. I know his hurt wrist hasn't helped his play but that is also the same reason he should stay for another year. I just think he would be better served playing at OSU for one more year.

 

development be damned. if oden is a top 3 pick, he'd be insane not to go pro.

 

Just because he could be a top 3 pick doesn't mean he's ready to play in the NBA. They are two completely different things.

 

You are forgetting one big factor:

 

$$$

 

You obviously didn't read or didn't understand what I wrote. Just because he is projected to go high in the draft and could make a ton of money doesn't mean he is ready to play in the NBA. In baskeball, all you hear about in regards to the draft is "potential" and "upside". You don't hear that anywere close to as much in football (since somebody brought up Matt Leinart). You rarely hear about teams drafting "projects" in the NFL but you hear that many times every single draft in the NBA.

 

I don't think Oden is ready offensively for the NBA. Defensively, he's an animal. I really think staying at OSU for another year will benefit him in the long run. He's going to get good coaching regardless of whether he stays or goes pro.

 

I really don't understand your point. If he's going to get the good coaching regardless of where he is, then why not get paid millions to get the good coaching, rather than only hundreds of thousands.(Yeah it was easy and lame, but somebody was going to follow up with it anyways)

[soccer10k]

Oden should stay in college for another year. He's nowhere near polished enough offensively to play in the NBA. I know his hurt wrist hasn't helped his play but that is also the same reason he should stay for another year. I just think he would be better served playing at OSU for one more year.

 

development be damned. if oden is a top 3 pick, he'd be insane not to go pro.

 

Just because he could be a top 3 pick doesn't mean he's ready to play in the NBA. They are two completely different things.

 

You are forgetting one big factor:

 

$$$

 

You obviously didn't read or didn't understand what I wrote. Just because he is projected to go high in the draft and could make a ton of money doesn't mean he is ready to play in the NBA. In baskeball, all you hear about in regards to the draft is "potential" and "upside". You don't hear that anywere close to as much in football (since somebody brought up Matt Leinart). You rarely hear about teams drafting "projects" in the NFL but you hear that many times every single draft in the NBA.

 

I don't think Oden is ready offensively for the NBA. Defensively, he's an animal. I really think staying at OSU for another year will benefit him in the long run. He's going to get good coaching regardless of whether he stays or goes pro.

 

I really don't understand your point. If he's going to get the good coaching regardless of where he is, then why not get paid millions to get the good coaching, rather than only hundreds of thousands.(Yeah it was easy and lame, but somebody was going to follow up with it anyways)

 

Game experience. He won't play all the time at the NBA level and when he does, he won't be be the center of the offense. He'll be better served playing 30-35 minutes per game at OSU and getting the ball regularly than 15-20 in the NBA without getting the ball much.

[chuckywang]

can't believe nobody mentioned the big Holy Cross win today to give them home court advantage for the Patriot League tourney.

 

That's a 1 bid league, so their real season starts now. Man, it's just so unfair that you can undo 14 good games with 1 bad game, but that's the nature of the beast. I wish there was some other way.

[snoodmonger]

Oden should stay in college for another year. He's nowhere near polished enough offensively to play in the NBA. I know his hurt wrist hasn't helped his play but that is also the same reason he should stay for another year. I just think he would be better served playing at OSU for one more year.

 

development be damned. if oden is a top 3 pick, he'd be insane not to go pro.

 

Just because he could be a top 3 pick doesn't mean he's ready to play in the NBA. They are two completely different things.

 

You are forgetting one big factor:

 

$$$

 

You obviously didn't read or didn't understand what I wrote. Just because he is projected to go high in the draft and could make a ton of money doesn't mean he is ready to play in the NBA. In baskeball, all you hear about in regards to the draft is "potential" and "upside". You don't hear that anywere close to as much in football (since somebody brought up Matt Leinart). You rarely hear about teams drafting "projects" in the NFL but you hear that many times every single draft in the NBA.

 

I don't think Oden is ready offensively for the NBA. Defensively, he's an animal. I really think staying at OSU for another year will benefit him in the long run. He's going to get good coaching regardless of whether he stays or goes pro.

 

I really don't understand your point. If he's going to get the good coaching regardless of where he is, then why not get paid millions to get the good coaching, rather than only hundreds of thousands.(Yeah it was easy and lame, but somebody was going to follow up with it anyways)

 

Game experience. He won't play all the time at the NBA level and when he does, he won't be be the center of the offense. He'll be better served playing 30-35 minutes per game at OSU and getting the ball regularly than 15-20 in the NBA without getting the ball much.

 

Have you watched OSU play? It's a guard oriented offense, and it's probably going to stay that way. I don't see how staying in college to watch his teammates jack threes is somehow going to enhance his offensive game.

 

And it's highly unlikely he'll only get 15-20 minutes/game in the NBA. He's not a project. He's an instant starter. And even if he did get so few minutes, the NBA would STILL be a better place to develop his game. He'll be practicing with and playing against the best in the world.

 

Besides, one more year of college means one more year where something terrible could happen to him, preventing him from ever playing. I can't think of one good reason for Oden to stay in college.

[snoodmonger]

illiniguy--

 

you follow KC high school hoops, right? Connor Teahan agreed to walk on to KU next year. Any idea what kind of game he has?

[soccer10k]

Have you watched OSU play? It's a guard oriented offense, and it's probably going to stay that way. I don't see how staying in college to watch his teammates jack threes is somehow going to enhance his offensive game.

 

And it's highly unlikely he'll only get 15-20 minutes/game in the NBA. He's not a project. He's an instant starter. And even if he did get so few minutes, the NBA would STILL be a better place to develop his game. He'll be practicing with and playing against the best in the world.

 

Besides, one more year of college means one more year where something terrible could happen to him, preventing him from ever playing. I can't think of one good reason for Oden to stay in college.

 

Playing time in college > practice time in the NBA. It's not highly unlikely he won't get much time in the NBA. He's not a very good offensive player right now and he would benefit from playing another year in college. I don't think he will stay, but it would be better for him.

 

Yes, something bad could happen to him, and people always throw this out there, but it's highly unlikely. This isn't football.

[CubColtPacer]

Have you watched OSU play? It's a guard oriented offense, and it's probably going to stay that way. I don't see how staying in college to watch his teammates jack threes is somehow going to enhance his offensive game.

 

And it's highly unlikely he'll only get 15-20 minutes/game in the NBA. He's not a project. He's an instant starter. And even if he did get so few minutes, the NBA would STILL be a better place to develop his game. He'll be practicing with and playing against the best in the world.

 

Besides, one more year of college means one more year where something terrible could happen to him, preventing him from ever playing. I can't think of one good reason for Oden to stay in college.

 

Playing time in college > practice time in the NBA. It's not highly unlikely he won't get much time in the NBA. He's not a very good offensive player right now and he would benefit from playing another year in college. I don't think he will stay, but it would be better for him.

 

Yes, something bad could happen to him, and people always throw this out there, but it's highly unlikely. This isn't football.

 

He'll get 25-30 minutes a night in the NBA. He's going to go to a bad team, and they are going to stick him out there for ticket sales alone (and I think they would put him out there because he would still be one of their 5 best players). Even if he went to a good team, they would have him out there just for his defensive prescence-there are plenty of post people in the NBA who get minutes who can't score but are just asked to play defense and rebound. Oden's offensive game is actually slightly more refined than most of those players, although I would agree that he has a great deal more of refining to do on that. His defense alone will get him to play, and if the player is mature enough, playing in the NBA almost always develops a person faster than going to college.

[CuseCubFan69]

Oden's been under a microscope pretty much since he picked up a basketball. He would have been the #1 overall pick coming out of high school last year under the old rules. Teams know what he needs to improve on, what his ceiling looks like, and what his floor is. Perhaps he needs polish before he lives up to his potential, but no player in any sport is able to play up to his potential from the moment he is drafted.

 

Oden's right hand is still not 100% and his game could use some work, true. However, he'll go #2 overall at the very worst come this summer (barring a catastrophe). He'd be insane not to declare.

 

After all, he would get much better coaching and experience in the NBA.

 

I take it OSU pays better than the NBA since you didn't add money?

[illiniguy]

illiniguy--

 

you follow KC high school hoops, right? Connor Teahan agreed to walk on to KU next year. Any idea what kind of game he has?

He can play, but honestly, with the talent you guys have coming in seemingly every year I don't know if he ever will. I am not trying to slam the kid by any means. I haven't played against him like I have some of the other "names" down here, but I have watched him and he is a good player.

[illiniguy]

Have you watched OSU play? It's a guard oriented offense, and it's probably going to stay that way. I don't see how staying in college to watch his teammates jack threes is somehow going to enhance his offensive game.

 

And it's highly unlikely he'll only get 15-20 minutes/game in the NBA. He's not a project. He's an instant starter. And even if he did get so few minutes, the NBA would STILL be a better place to develop his game. He'll be practicing with and playing against the best in the world.

 

Besides, one more year of college means one more year where something terrible could happen to him, preventing him from ever playing. I can't think of one good reason for Oden to stay in college.

 

Playing time in college > practice time in the NBA. It's not highly unlikely he won't get much time in the NBA. He's not a very good offensive player right now and he would benefit from playing another year in college. I don't think he will stay, but it would be better for him.

 

Yes, something bad could happen to him, and people always throw this out there, but it's highly unlikely. This isn't football.

Oh yeah Kobe and LeBron always go on and on about how they didn't develop at all once they got to the NBA. Well actually LeBron might be a bad example. Lol. You go to college to prepare to make money or get a nice job. He has the job, why should he stay.

[radarluv1]

Have you watched OSU play? It's a guard oriented offense, and it's probably going to stay that way. I don't see how staying in college to watch his teammates jack threes is somehow going to enhance his offensive game.

 

And it's highly unlikely he'll only get 15-20 minutes/game in the NBA. He's not a project. He's an instant starter. And even if he did get so few minutes, the NBA would STILL be a better place to develop his game. He'll be practicing with and playing against the best in the world.

 

Besides, one more year of college means one more year where something terrible could happen to him, preventing him from ever playing. I can't think of one good reason for Oden to stay in college.

 

Playing time in college > practice time in the NBA. It's not highly unlikely he won't get much time in the NBA. He's not a very good offensive player right now and he would benefit from playing another year in college. I don't think he will stay, but it would be better for him.

 

Yes, something bad could happen to him, and people always throw this out there, but it's highly unlikely. This isn't football.

 

the best thing that could happen if he stays in college is he might be a little better prepared mentally and physically to help his NBA team when he finally gets there. and this is debatable. if he decides to do that, then thats great, he can pat himself on the back and feel good about his sacrifice, but he wont get drafted any higher or make any more money. the bad things that could happen are catastrophe- ACL type injuries, or having a so-so year and falling down in the draft.

[snoodmonger]

Have you watched OSU play? It's a guard oriented offense, and it's probably going to stay that way. I don't see how staying in college to watch his teammates jack threes is somehow going to enhance his offensive game.

 

And it's highly unlikely he'll only get 15-20 minutes/game in the NBA. He's not a project. He's an instant starter. And even if he did get so few minutes, the NBA would STILL be a better place to develop his game. He'll be practicing with and playing against the best in the world.

 

Besides, one more year of college means one more year where something terrible could happen to him, preventing him from ever playing. I can't think of one good reason for Oden to stay in college.

 

Playing time in college > practice time in the NBA. It's not highly unlikely he won't get much time in the NBA. He's not a very good offensive player right now and he would benefit from playing another year in college. I don't think he will stay, but it would be better for him.

 

Yes, something bad could happen to him, and people always throw this out there, but it's highly unlikely. This isn't football.

 

You're really understating his ability on the offensive end. No, he's not Tim Duncan. But he's probably no worse than Samuel Dalembert, and he gets 30 minutes on a bad team.

 

And bad things don't just happen to football players. (Donnie Boyce?) Besides, wasn't even talking on the court. It could be anything (a la Jay Williams.)

 

Staying in college doesn't make much sense.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think if a person is 18 or older he should have the choice to go to the NBA if he wants to. The are numerous advantages to going to college for these players but there are disadvantages too like injury. One thing I wonder about is if by going to college these one year guys would have better representation and protection from scum by having their college coaches protect them more because they know the business better than their parents would.

[snoodmonger]

illiniguy--

 

you follow KC high school hoops, right? Connor Teahan agreed to walk on to KU next year. Any idea what kind of game he has?

He can play, but honestly, with the talent you guys have coming in seemingly every year I don't know if he ever will. .

 

that's what it sounds like. though if he stroke it, there might be a spot for him.

[Flames24Rulz]

SIU got a verbal from Justin Bocot, one of the best guards in the state, for 2007 :)