The 2006-2007 Chicago Bulls Thread

[CaliforniaRaisin]

How many good Western Conference teams have we beat this year? The only ones that I can think of are the Lakers and Spurs at home. Every other game, be it home or away, I'm pretty sure we've lost.

 

Hopefully we can beat the Pacers at Indy. I know we haven't done that for a while.

 

Do we ever beat Western Conference teams? Not since the Jordan years.

 

I like some of the things this club is doing but the lack of success against the Western Conference is just more of the same, and would tend to indicate we won't win our first playoff series (once again).

 

Why would the Bulls lose in the first round? They won't be playing till a Western Conference team?

 

Work with me here. Bulls haven't gotten out of the first round since Jordan, and all that time they've stunk against the Western Conference. This year, they still stink against those better teams. It's a correlation.

 

Hrm, they stink against better teams from the Western Conference so, despite having a high seed and playing an inferior Eastern Conference team in the first round (against who the Bulls do well), they will still lose? Oh, and because they got past the first round with MJ and did well against the West then, that has to be the correlation as to why they can't get past the first round post-MJ. It can't be that they had inferior teams in the last few years and this year they have a better team against the East.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I want an inside scorer and Gasol really doesn't provide that.

I'm sorry, but you're just flat out wrong. I've watched him on league pass the last 2 years, and he is as good as they get in the post. He also always draws fouls under the hoop, and is usually in the top 5-10 in FTA's in the entire league. All he does is back down players...maybe i'm wrong but i'm guessing you just haven't seen too much of him.

 

Edit: I'm also pretty sure he was in the top 5 or 10 in points in the paint last year.

 

Ok, if that's the case that's better. As you said, I've only seen Gasol a few times - a few playoffs games a few games against the Bulls or the LA teams. I hope you're right but I really would waiver on trading Deng.

[Soul]

Work with me here. Bulls haven't gotten out of the first round since Jordan, and all that time they've stunk against the Western Conference. This year, they still stink against those better teams. It's a correlation.

 

Hrm, they stink against better teams from the Western Conference so, despite having a high seed and playing an inferior Eastern Conference team in the first round (against who the Bulls do well), they will still lose? Oh, and because they got past the first round with MJ and did well against the West then, that has to be the correlation as to why they can't get past the first round post-MJ. It can't be that they had inferior teams in the last few years and this year they have a better team against the East.

 

Do they really look better though? I'm using those Western Conference teams as a measuring stick. How can you tell if they're better by beating up on some inferior Eastern Conference clubs?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Work with me here. Bulls haven't gotten out of the first round since Jordan, and all that time they've stunk against the Western Conference. This year, they still stink against those better teams. It's a correlation.

 

Hrm, they stink against better teams from the Western Conference so, despite having a high seed and playing an inferior Eastern Conference team in the first round (against who the Bulls do well), they will still lose? Oh, and because they got past the first round with MJ and did well against the West then, that has to be the correlation as to why they can't get past the first round post-MJ. It can't be that they had inferior teams in the last few years and this year they have a better team against the East.

 

Do they really look better though? I'm using those Western Conference teams as a measuring stick. How can you tell if they're better by beating up on some inferior Eastern Conference clubs?

 

Well, you said they'd lose in the first round...they'll play the inferior Eastern Conference clubs in the first round that they have done well against. I have no clue how failure against Western Conference teams will prevent them from winning in the first round against teams that they have done well against.

[RammyFanny]

I want an inside scorer and Gasol really doesn't provide that.

I'm sorry, but you're just flat out wrong. I've watched him on league pass the last 2 years, and he is as good as they get in the post. He also always draws fouls under the hoop, and is usually in the top 5-10 in FTA's in the entire league. All he does is back down players...maybe i'm wrong but i'm guessing you just haven't seen too much of him.

 

Edit: I'm also pretty sure he was in the top 5 or 10 in points in the paint last year.

 

Ok, if that's the case that's better. As you said, I've only seen Gasol a few times - a few playoffs games a few games against the Bulls or the LA teams. I hope you're right but I really would waiver on trading Deng.

Yeah, Gasol's game is basically face up, drive past the guy and get clobbered driving into the lane or back down and try something. He's a pretty good passer too. I love Deng, but if he is the centerpeice in a trade for Gasol I'd probably have to pull the trigger. Hopefully the demand will become a little more well known and drive down his value alot, to where all we would need to give is financial relief and a pick.

[ChiCubsFan]

I want an inside scorer and Gasol really doesn't provide that.

I'm sorry, but you're just flat out wrong. I've watched him on league pass the last 2 years, and he is as good as they get in the post. He also always draws fouls under the hoop, and is usually in the top 5-10 in FTA's in the entire league. All he does is back down players...maybe i'm wrong but i'm guessing you just haven't seen too much of him.

 

Edit: I'm also pretty sure he was in the top 5 or 10 in points in the paint last year.

 

Ok, if that's the case that's better. As you said, I've only seen Gasol a few times - a few playoffs games a few games against the Bulls or the LA teams. I hope you're right but I really would waiver on trading Deng.

Yeah, Gasol's game is basically face up, drive past the guy and get clobbered driving into the lane or back down and try something. He's a pretty good passer too. I love Deng, but if he is the centerpeice in a trade for Gasol I'd probably have to pull the trigger. Hopefully the demand will become a little more well known and drive down his value alot, to where all we would need to give is financial relief and a pick.

 

No way do I give up Deng for Gasol. Deng is already a very solid player and he's only gonna get better.

[wolf stansson]

I'd give up Deng for Gasol in a second.

 

Our inside out game would be unreal. Gasol + Noc or other small forward > Deng + current PF option.

[Outshined_One]

Vescey says Gasol has demanded a trade

 

Maybe I'm just reading too much into what I saw, but during that Bulls/Grizz game last Saturday Gasol looked like he had seriously just gotten out of bed, and couldn't care less what was happening (as his team proceeded to look worse than a group of high schoolers).

 

This doesn't suprise me. At all.

 

I think it raises the question: Is Gasol the kind of guy you want to go to war with? Or is he going to fold when things get tougher? If this Bulls team does anything, it's tenacious and keeps fighting. From what I saw, Gasol does NOT look like that kind of player.

 

A change of scenery is always a possibility and can work wonders with guys. I wouldn't give up as much for him as people are speculating, but acquiring him would definitely benefit this team/

 

However, I was at that Grizzlies game. He played soft and it bugged the heck out of me.

[illiniguy]

You want Dee? Buy a plane ticket to Salt Lake City.

 

:roll: Unreal, or the Bulls could put a product out there that was good enough that this wouldn't happen. You think this would have happened when Jordan and Pippen were there? I can't stand how Chicago people don't understand that some people that live in the city want to support the hometown school. If Farmar would have been picked by Utah and then came to play the Clippers and the fans would have screamed for Farmar to come in I am sure you would have took issue with it.

[Jon]

You want Dee? Buy a plane ticket to Salt Lake City.

 

:roll: Unreal, or the Bulls could put a product out there that was good enough that this wouldn't happen. You think this would have happened when Jordan and Pippen were there? I can't stand how Chicago people don't understand that some people that live in the city want to support the hometown school. If Farmar would have been picked by Utah and then came to play the Clippers and the fans would have screamed for Farmar to come in I am sure you would have took issue with it.

UIC?

 

Isn't a 23-17 record going into the game good enough to justify "fans" not starting chants for the opposing players and for Illinois before the game even started? The pro-Bulls chants weren't that loud at any point throughout the game.

[Andy]

You want Dee? Buy a plane ticket to Salt Lake City.

 

:roll: Unreal, or the Bulls could put a product out there that was good enough that this wouldn't happen. You think this would have happened when Jordan and Pippen were there? I can't stand how Chicago people don't understand that some people that live in the city want to support the hometown school. If Farmar would have been picked by Utah and then came to play the Clippers and the fans would have screamed for Farmar to come in I am sure you would have took issue with it.

UIC?

 

Isn't a 23-17 record going into the game good enough to justify "fans" not starting chants for the opposing players and for Illinois before the game even started? The pro-Bulls chants weren't that loud at any point throughout the game.

Even though, ostensibly, the Bulls fans outnumbered the Illini fans.

 

WGN's constant mention of it bugged me a tad too. Yeah, most of your viewers are probably in the Midwest, but supposedly you're a national station, so why are you honking a college team you don't even broadcast games for?

[illiniguy]

You want Dee? Buy a plane ticket to Salt Lake City.

 

:roll: Unreal, or the Bulls could put a product out there that was good enough that this wouldn't happen. You think this would have happened when Jordan and Pippen were there? I can't stand how Chicago people don't understand that some people that live in the city want to support the hometown school. If Farmar would have been picked by Utah and then came to play the Clippers and the fans would have screamed for Farmar to come in I am sure you would have took issue with it.

UIC?

 

Isn't a 23-17 record going into the game good enough to justify "fans" not starting chants for the opposing players and for Illinois before the game even started? The pro-Bulls chants weren't that loud at any point throughout the game.

Even though, ostensibly, the Bulls fans outnumbered the Illini fans.

 

WGN's constant mention of it bugged me a tad too. Yeah, most of your viewers are probably in the Midwest, but supposedly you're a national station, so why are you honking a college team you don't even broadcast games for?

I didn't get to see it. Damn work. Maybe the announcers should have left it alone, however Red is an Illinois alum so maybe he too wanted to see Dee play. The fans are fans they paid good money to go to the game and if they want to cheer for a guy to get in that is there own buisness. I mean there was a guy from my hometown who played in the NBA and you bet your last dollar everyone in our town would have done the same thing as all these fans did in Chicago for Dee Brown.

[illiniguy]

You want Dee? Buy a plane ticket to Salt Lake City.

 

:roll: Unreal, or the Bulls could put a product out there that was good enough that this wouldn't happen. You think this would have happened when Jordan and Pippen were there? I can't stand how Chicago people don't understand that some people that live in the city want to support the hometown school. If Farmar would have been picked by Utah and then came to play the Clippers and the fans would have screamed for Farmar to come in I am sure you would have took issue with it.

UIC?

 

Isn't a 23-17 record going into the game good enough to justify "fans" not starting chants for the opposing players and for Illinois before the game even started? The pro-Bulls chants weren't that loud at any point throughout the game.

Even though, ostensibly, the Bulls fans outnumbered the Illini fans.

 

WGN's constant mention of it bugged me a tad too. Yeah, most of your viewers are probably in the Midwest, but supposedly you're a national station, so why are you honking a college team you don't even broadcast games for?

During the MLK game they mentioned about 15 times how Michael Finley was a Proviso grad and how this was a homecoming for him too. It happens when Chicago kids come home. When the Clippers had Q, DMiles, and Maggette they mentioned it a lot as well.

[USSoccer]

I'm not sure how I would feel about a trade for Gasol. If it's just Deng/Knicks pick/Brown for Gasol, I'm ok with it. If it's going to include Thomas or Gordon I don't think I'd make the trade.

[illiniguy]

I'm not sure how I would feel about a trade for Gasol. If it's just Deng/Knicks pick/Brown for Gasol, I'm ok with it. If it's going to include Thomas or Gordon I don't think I'd make the trade.

Don't do it. Luol Deng is pretty close to Pau right now and is the one getting better.

[USSoccer]

I'm not sure how I would feel about a trade for Gasol. If it's just Deng/Knicks pick/Brown for Gasol, I'm ok with it. If it's going to include Thomas or Gordon I don't think I'd make the trade.

Don't do it. Luol Deng is pretty close to Pau right now and is the one getting better.

 

Is he? He's definetly improved, but is he so much better than Noc or Thomas that we wouldn't give him up for a low post scoring threat?

[illiniguy]

I'm not sure how I would feel about a trade for Gasol. If it's just Deng/Knicks pick/Brown for Gasol, I'm ok with it. If it's going to include Thomas or Gordon I don't think I'd make the trade.

Don't do it. Luol Deng is pretty close to Pau right now and is the one getting better.

 

Is he? He's definetly improved, but is he so much better than Noc or Thomas that we wouldn't give him up for a low post scoring threat?

I think so, I could be wrong. I just think it is a young team. Let the team grow together. If anything they need to trade one of the two combo guards and get a real point or a big two.

[USSoccer]

I'm not sure how I would feel about a trade for Gasol. If it's just Deng/Knicks pick/Brown for Gasol, I'm ok with it. If it's going to include Thomas or Gordon I don't think I'd make the trade.

Don't do it. Luol Deng is pretty close to Pau right now and is the one getting better.

 

Is he? He's definetly improved, but is he so much better than Noc or Thomas that we wouldn't give him up for a low post scoring threat?

I think so, I could be wrong. I just think it is a young team. Let the team grow together. If anything they need to trade one of the two combo guards and get a real point or a big two.

 

Isn't Thabo that guy, though?

[illiniguy]

I'm not sure how I would feel about a trade for Gasol. If it's just Deng/Knicks pick/Brown for Gasol, I'm ok with it. If it's going to include Thomas or Gordon I don't think I'd make the trade.

Don't do it. Luol Deng is pretty close to Pau right now and is the one getting better.

 

Is he? He's definetly improved, but is he so much better than Noc or Thomas that we wouldn't give him up for a low post scoring threat?

I think so, I could be wrong. I just think it is a young team. Let the team grow together. If anything they need to trade one of the two combo guards and get a real point or a big two.

 

Isn't Thabo that guy, though?

I don't know we still get abused by the Nets. A team we are better at except for one important spot. I know he needs more time to grow, but if we are watining for him we might as well stay pat and see what the three small forwards become before we move one of them.

[Soul]

I'm not sure how I would feel about a trade for Gasol. If it's just Deng/Knicks pick/Brown for Gasol, I'm ok with it. If it's going to include Thomas or Gordon I don't think I'd make the trade.

Don't do it. Luol Deng is pretty close to Pau right now and is the one getting better.

 

Is he? He's definetly improved, but is he so much better than Noc or Thomas that we wouldn't give him up for a low post scoring threat?

I think so, I could be wrong. I just think it is a young team. Let the team grow together. If anything they need to trade one of the two combo guards and get a real point or a big two.

 

Isn't Thabo that guy, though?

 

I think he is, but there's no way to be sure at this point. People are still going to knock us because Wallace is our "big man" and he's 6'9" with the fro and is basically limited to clean up duty on offense.

 

Honestly, the rest of the club is pretty good. It's just that one hole, and it's a glaring one, IMO.

[USSoccer]

I'm not sure how I would feel about a trade for Gasol. If it's just Deng/Knicks pick/Brown for Gasol, I'm ok with it. If it's going to include Thomas or Gordon I don't think I'd make the trade.

Don't do it. Luol Deng is pretty close to Pau right now and is the one getting better.

 

Is he? He's definetly improved, but is he so much better than Noc or Thomas that we wouldn't give him up for a low post scoring threat?

I think so, I could be wrong. I just think it is a young team. Let the team grow together. If anything they need to trade one of the two combo guards and get a real point or a big two.

 

Isn't Thabo that guy, though?

I don't know we still get abused by the Nets. A team we are better at except for one important spot. I know he needs more time to grow, but if we are watining for him we might as well stay pat and see what the three small forwards become before we move one of them.

 

Our being abused by the Nets has as much to do with cold outside shooting and bad rebounding as it does the matchup with Gordon guarding Kidd or Carter. Gasol helps that. Also, having Thabo in the game on Kidd or Carter would help as well, but that's a Skiles issue.

[illiniguy]

I'm not sure how I would feel about a trade for Gasol. If it's just Deng/Knicks pick/Brown for Gasol, I'm ok with it. If it's going to include Thomas or Gordon I don't think I'd make the trade.

Don't do it. Luol Deng is pretty close to Pau right now and is the one getting better.

 

Is he? He's definetly improved, but is he so much better than Noc or Thomas that we wouldn't give him up for a low post scoring threat?

I think so, I could be wrong. I just think it is a young team. Let the team grow together. If anything they need to trade one of the two combo guards and get a real point or a big two.

 

Isn't Thabo that guy, though?

I don't know we still get abused by the Nets. A team we are better at except for one important spot. I know he needs more time to grow, but if we are watining for him we might as well stay pat and see what the three small forwards become before we move one of them.

 

Our being abused by the Nets has as much to do with cold outside shooting and bad rebounding as it does the matchup with Gordon guarding Kidd or Carter. Gasol helps that. Also, having Thabo in the game on Kidd or Carter would help as well, but that's a Skiles issue.

Skiles is a hard guy to figure out. They have done better under him to be sure, but I wonder if it wasn't just natural progression of talent as opposed to the coach. You could be right that Gasol would help for the right now. That said I think Deng is only scratching his potential. I would hate to see us get rid of a future star for a role player for a team that is at least two years away from being a serious contender for a championship.

[USSoccer]

Skiles is a hard guy to figure out. They have done better under him to be sure, but I wonder if it wasn't just natural progression of talent as opposed to the coach. You could be right that Gasol would help for the right now. That said I think Deng is only scratching his potential. I would hate to see us get rid of a future star for a role player for a team that is at least two years away from being a serious contender for a championship.

 

Luol still has some serious gaps in his game, though. He cannot handle the ball well at all, and he can't shoot from behind the arc. Defensively, he's solid, but again, you have Noc and Thomas right there. Does trading from a strength like that make your team better overall?

 

I like Deng a lot, but you have to think that Gasol (who's not exactly old) might make the team better overall.

[YearofDaCubs]

I'm not a huge fan of Gasol. He's good I don't doubt that but he's not that good that he would be worth Deng and Gordon. I also think it's safe to say signing Wallace has been a huge disappointment IMO. That guy hasn't been that good and widely inconsistent.

[illiniguy]

I'm not a huge fan of Gasol. He's good I don't doubt that but he's not that good that he would be worth Deng and Gordon. I also think it's safe to say signing Wallace has been a huge disappointment IMO. That guy hasn't been that good and widely inconsistent.

Kind of like Chandler was. We should have kept Tyson and tried to trade for Paul Pierce.